India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Kumaoni]

This thing has blown up too much. We can expect some retaliation this time.

You are very optimistic i must say.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

You are very optimistic i must say.

On 2 past occasions(Uri & Pulwama) it was avenged within 13 days... so let's say if it has to happen it will be done by 5th Jan... or like the previous incident they will be content by just hunting down the Jihadis if indeed they are trapped in the forests.

 

[DingDong]

Pakis are putting up the ante
What's up with them?
Why so desperate

Something got to do with the PA chief's recent visit to the US? Did he get a secret memo with a list deliverables from the US? Khalistanis are being cultivated like the Jews of 1930s, and now this.

This is a war of attrition, unfortunately, Pakistanis are far less sensitive and more capable of dealing with the damages than us.

Look at all the emotional cucks crying over the SM about the killings of the suspected OGWs. This is a conflict zone, shit happens, we need to stand firmly by the defense personnel.

Collective punishment and cruelty does work in counter-insurgency, fear works as well as loyalty. If not convinced, then look at Punjab.

 

[Tuco]

Something got to do with the PA chief's recent visit to the US? Did he get a secret memo with a list deliverables from the US? Khalistanis are being cultivated like the Jews of 1930s, and now this.

This is a war of attrition, unfortunately, Pakistanis are far less sensitive and more capable of dealing with the damages than us.

Look at all the emotional cucks crying over the SM about the killings of the suspected OGWs. This is a conflict zone, shit happens, we need to stand firmly by the defense personnel.

Collective punishment and cruelty does work in counter-insurgency, fear works as well as loyalty. If not convinced, then look at Punjab.

Well sm dindus have seen how islamic world reacted to alaqsa flood and later Israeli retaliation, that's a lesson. They just disregarded or were in full backing of what the hoards did.

 

[SavageKing456]

Something got to do with the PA chief's recent visit to the US? Did he get a secret memo with a list deliverables from the US? Khalistanis are being cultivated like the Jews of 1930s, and now this.

This is a war of attrition, unfortunately, Pakistanis are far less sensitive and more capable of dealing with the damages than us.

Look at all the emotional cucks crying over the SM about the killings of the suspected OGWs. This is a conflict zone, shit happens, we need to stand firmly by the defense personnel.

Collective punishment and cruelty does work in counter-insurgency, fear works as well as loyalty. If not convinced, then look at Punjab.

Unrelated but.

 

[angryIndian]

Not confirmed if OGW. Sources say they were the army informers who passed (wrong) info to the army and hence the anger & frustation.
Regardless, even if they were OGW locals will be angry anyway. Entitled fuckers think its their birthright to insult & kill non-natives. I got zero sympathies for them.

Mate,
Informers in Kashmir have always been double crossing people.Gazillions of times they have mislead ARMY into deadly ambush.Taking their word as gospel is a straight invitation to Lucifer.

****miris are deeply radicalized people and behind the facade of the ****miriyat,they are hardened salafists.

They should never be recruited in sensitive sectors like PSU's,Nuclear energy,Hydroelectric or Space.

 

[Cheepek]

Is it really confirmed the 3 killed are OGWs? Some say he was brother of BSF head constable, and J&K admin is giving compensation and apologies for "OGWs". Please clear it to me. Coz I'm seeing lots of Poonch natives angry towards the army right now.

Few years back 3 Jammu labourers were killed by some soldier in a fake encounter and was declared guilty as well. So I don't want to celebrate the killings of those 3 chaps unless they were genuinely affiliated to those terrorists.

It's not easy to prove crimes of such OGWs in court of law. Courts decide on evidence and most of the times there's no acceptable material evidence that can be presented. So it's a grey area which these people exploit. I believe those 3 were indeed OGWs, and that's why they got this much kutai.

 

[Jimih]

3 of the 4 mutilated... earlier we were told only 1 or 2.

But the rage here on DFI and SM is on deaths of double-crossing Army Informers.

We don't deserve Forces that's it.

Lots of Closet Commies here on DFI crawled out of the woodwork after this incident. They have been identified.

 

[another_armchair]

But the rage here on DFI and SM is on deaths of double crossing Army Informers.

We don't deserve Forces that's it.

Lots of Closet Commies here on DFI crawled out of the wood work. They have been identified.

If action of the enemy and subsequent retaliation from our side leaves us as a divided house, the enemy has already won on multiple fronts.

God forbid we see an attack on the scale of Oct 7 attack by Hamas, we will be running around like headless chicken with men within forces(retired) running a different commentary, kids of retired officers telling lesser mortals how the situation should be handled and what our response should be and sundry other armchairs urging restraint as we are a big population and can absorb such small hits by a 'frustrated' enemy which is jealous of our 'economic progress'.

Gotta hand it to Israel. Agreed they have the backing of mighty powers but still, they do the fighting on the ground and face Islamists & leftists outside Israel too.

 

[Jimih]

God forbid we see an attack on the scale of Oct 7 attack by Hamas, we will be running around like headless chicken

Believe me atleast 30% of DFI waalas will do mass suicide if this happens out of anxiety.

Was active here when Galwan Clash took place, and saw how some DFI members were doing self-flagellation along with demeaning the Forces.


B**ch** they are not made for Defence related discussions and forums.

 

[jai jaganath]

3 of the 4 mutilated... earlier we were told only 1 or 2.

If it exaggeration
2 jawans are definitely
But not 3rd
I am saying on the basis of pics
Anyway I am speechless
But still goi won't retaliate

 

[prasadr14]

Imagine the same people insisting we go to WAR...

Even though very unfortunate, if we cannot take killings of few soldiers on chin and plan our revenge in a calm manner, we are no where near ready for a war where the body count wold be thousands per month.

 

[another_armchair]

Imagine the same people insisting we go to WAR...

Even though very unfortunate, if we cannot take killings of few soldiers on chin and plan our revenge in a calm manner, we are no where near ready for a war where the body count wold be thousands per month.

Who suggested war and where?

Yes, killing of few soldiers is aam baat in counter insurgency. If we are to look at numbers, Kashmir is indeed land of milk and honey with number of attacks down YoY. G-20 summit was a resounding success.

Peace has returned.

Paradise reclaimed.

"गर फिरदौस बर रूये ज़मी अस्त/ हमी अस्तो हमी अस्तो हमी अस्त"

Amidst all this, there are little tales of misery which spoil all the fanfare. Tales of army trooper mutilations, few beheadings, a pani puri seller shot dead. Typical crime statistics in any state.

 

[prasadr14]

Who suggested war and where?

Yes, killing of few soldiers is aam baat in counter insurgency. If we are to look at numbers, Kashmir is indeed land of milk and honey with number of attacks down YoY. G-20 summit was a resounding success.

Peace has returned.

Paradise reclaimed.

"गर फिरदौस बर रूये ज़मी अस्त/ हमी अस्तो हमी अस्तो हमी अस्त"

Amidst all this, there are little tales of misery which spoil all the fanfare. Tales of army trooper mutilations, few beheadings, a pani puri seller shot dead. Typical crime statistics in any state.

The problem with your post is that you are using soldiers being murdered as a weapon to say things that have no relation to it.

Exactly how do you expect a rational person respond to a post that is high on emotion, linking things and saying things that are really just out there.

People should stop assuming that just because someone is quiet, they are not outraged or don't want revenge.

but the point still remains. This area is high on Islamic terrorism.
There are casualties and there will be casualties for next 100 years or until Islam is eradicated.
Accept those facts and plan actions.
Let me repeat again, this won't be the last casualty in Kashmir. there will be others. No matter how well you think you can protect our military, the other side will eventually get lucky. It's not unique in India, that's how insurgencies are across the world and history.

J&K and naxal areas were a huge problem a decade or two back.
While they still are a problem, the quantum and area affected has come down. Practically, that's how it should be measured until a permanent solution is worked out. For naxals there is a solution...but what is the permanent solution to Islamic Jihad in Kashmir?
Do share workable solutions, NOT, let's kill every muslim there and dance around their graves.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

One point that nobody touched till now...

Why Pakis would want a conflict at present?

To make use of the Pan islamist momentum that has been created by Israel-Palestine conflict and equate the Kashmir issue with Palestine.

They cannot attempt an Al aqsa flood on India... so mutilation of soldiers bodies is the only way to provoke response from India.

The speed at which Paki accounts are innovating content on SM tells that they have plenty of ready-made content & templates to throw against India.

If the GOI/IA decide not to escalate... then they will be forced to do so by releasing of the videos by the Jihadis.

 

[TopWatcher]

This is what US want. So be calm and do normal raids.

US hame hazam nhi kar pa raha.

 

[TopWatcher]

This is what US want. So be calm and do normal raids.

US hame hazam nhi kar pa raha.

Something really happened. Suddenly US showing aggression. But why? Why US get hurts.

 

[another_armchair]

The problem with your post is that you are using soldiers being murdered as a weapon to say things that have no relation to it.

Exactly how do you expect a rational person respond to a post that is high on emotion, linking things and saying things that are really just out there.

People should stop assuming that just because someone is quiet, they are not outraged or don't want revenge.

but the point still remains. This area is high on Islamic terrorism.
There are casualties and there will be casualties for next 100 years or until Islam is eradicated.
Accept those facts and plan actions.
Let me repeat again, this won't be the last casualty in Kashmir. there will be others. No matter how well you think you can protect our military, the other side will eventually get lucky. It's not unique in India, that's how insurgencies are across the world and history.

J&K and naxal areas were a huge problem a decade or two back.
While they still are a problem, the quantum and area affected has come down. Practically, that's how it should be measured until a permanent solution is worked out. For naxals there is a solution...but what is the permanent solution to Islamic Jihad in Kashmir?
Do share workable solutions, NOT, let's kill every muslim there and dance around their graves.

Have already posted these talking points on a 'sunny day'.

Ideal scenarios don't hold good when shit hits the fan and it becomes a continuous trend running into three years.

Do share workable solutions, NOT, let's kill every muslim there and dance around their graves.

The only workable solution is a complete transfer of Muslims to Pakistan & Bangladesh which were created as Muslim only nations but idealists, status quoists & peaceniks in the forum will balk at that suggestion so going by the general consensus here at the moment, you are welcome to join the candle light vigil in memory of the civilians who allegedly died in army custody.

 

[kaboom]

I don't know what is going on but we are engaged on a lot of fronts.
Militancy in JK and now Manipur . Recent drone strikes on Indian vessels , Ongoing Pannu and Nijjar conflict with Canada and now US.

 

[mokoman]

PAFF/TRF getting real bold , from what i understand some informant was passed wrong fake info about terrorists . informant calls up police/army post , convoy left the post on top of mountain , comes down the winding road , maybe OGW spotter helped time the ambush . fuckers then take their time shooting up , killing and beheading 3 people . then went and hid in some hole in the forest . no idea how the people at top post didnt hear gun shots or react , or they immeditely send reinforcements 2km down .

army people r clueless , atleast 1 or 2 people from village would have helped , they bring in folks from near by village - maybe suspects on list or informants . few people from outside area . thrash all them then leave then by road side .3 end up dead , rest in hospital .

If it exaggeration
2 jawans are definitely
But not 3rd
I am saying on the basis of pics
Anyway I am speechless
But still goi won't retaliate

this has always been the way , information slowly leaking out peice by peice .