India opens bids in $10.4-bn combat plane tender.

[p2prada]

Derby would be an inferior alternative

Derby's awesome. Both IAF and IN love 'em.

 

[ganesh177]

24th jan gone as well , next date please !

 

[Bhon]

I have a query and would like someone to sort it out. The Eurofighter is constructed by a four nation consortium right ? And as far as I know, each country builds a specific part of the plane themselves and the assembles the entire plane for their respective airforces. So, supposing the Eurofighter wins the bid, which country will be constructing ours ?

Personally I hope Germany constructs ours. When it comes to cars I prefer Italy but I don't trust either England or Spain with anything other than football.

 

[ace009]

I have a query and would like someone to sort it out. The Eurofighter is constructed by a four nation consortium right ? And as far as I know, each country builds a specific part of the plane themselves and the assembles the entire plane for their respective airforces. So, supposing the Eurofighter wins the bid, which country will be constructing ours ?

Personally I hope Germany constructs ours. When it comes to cars I prefer Italy but I don't trust either England or Spain with anything other than football.

AFAIK, the first 18-20 will be built and delivered by Germany and UK (not sure what the sharing plan is) - the rest will be license built in India by HAL.

 

[H.A.]

24th jan gone as well , next date please !

Lets hope MMS gives a power packed speech on 26th January and announces the winner...

 

[Bhon]

AFAIK, the first 18-20 will be built and delivered by Germany and UK (not sure what the sharing plan is) - the rest will be license built in India by HAL.

Is it an assembly of semi-knocked down kits or is it complete ToT ?

 

[H.A.]

it would be TOT

 

[death.by.chocolate]

AFAIK, the first 18-20 will be built and delivered by Germany and UK (not sure what the sharing plan is) - the rest will be license built in India by HAL.

That is incorrect, the Typhoons rear fuselage is made in Germany, the left wing in Italy and right wing in Spain. It will take a considerable amount of time, effort and CAPEX in tooling and training to build the entire aircraft in India. This amount may add atleast 10 billion to India's MMRCA spend (a conservative estimate). If I had to guess, I'd wager that India will receive a work share and assembly of the Typhoon and not license manufacture of the entire aircraft. License manufacture of the Rafale in India will be easier and cheaper.

 

[Twinblade]

That is incorrect, the Typhoons rear fuselage is made in Germany, the left wing in Italy and right wing in Spain. It will take a considerable amount of time, effort and CAPEX in tooling and training to build the entire aircraft in India. This amount may add atleast 10 billion to India's MMRCA spend (a conservative estimate). If I had to guess, I'd wager that India will receive a work share and assembly of the Typhoon and not license manufacture of the entire aircraft. License manufacture of the Rafale in India will be easier and cheaper.

Negative, the first 18 Eurofighters will be assembled by Eurofighter Gmbh as per the earlier workshare agreement among the partner nations. The training and the project management would be carried out by Cassidian. For the Indian deal, a fresh work share agreement would be made between Eurofighter GmbH and HAL, under which HAL will obtain complete rights to assemble Eurofighter (will it include critical components is yet to be seen, but if Mki deal is anything to go by then complete airframe and engines seem to be on cards). Cassidian will help HAL "graduate" to the levels of technology (modernised assembly plant, training of machine operators) similar to what found in other Eurofighter plants. No one at this point claim which plane would be cheaper to procure at flyby cost, lifecycle cost, ToT cost, domestic assembly cost so speculating such is a moot point.

 

[vanadium]

I have a query and would like someone to sort it out. The Eurofighter is constructed by a four nation consortium right ? And as far as I know, each country builds a specific part of the plane themselves and the assembles the entire plane for their respective airforces. So, supposing the Eurofighter wins the bid, which country will be constructing ours ?

Personally I hope Germany constructs ours. When it comes to cars I prefer Italy but I don't trust either England or Spain with anything other than football.

As EADS Germany is leading the effort in India on the behalf of the consortium, the first lot of a/c will be assembled in Germany.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Next date announced, 27jan 2112.

 

[vanadium]

That is incorrect, the Typhoons rear fuselage is made in Germany, the left wing in Italy and right wing in Spain. It will take a considerable amount of time, effort and CAPEX in tooling and training to build the entire aircraft in India. This amount may add atleast 10 billion to India's MMRCA spend (a conservative estimate). If I had to guess, I'd wager that India will receive a work share and assembly of the Typhoon and not license manufacture of the entire aircraft. License manufacture of the Rafale in India will be easier and cheaper.

What about the front fuselage (containing the cockpit BTW!)?
Actually it is the centre fuse which is made in Germany.

Any licence production entails extra costs, whether is provided by Boeing or Dassault or Eurofighter. Everybody understands that. It is the customer´s wish to do that and India has a greater experience in this field than any other country. So if they have chosen this route it is based on solid experience and it makes sense to the country (long-term cost-effectiveness; repair overhaul and maintenance / upgrades considerations; ToT linkage, etc.).
The 10 billion (?) extra cost seems to me rather extravagant.

I do not see why Dassault´s license production should be easier and cheaper. They have a much smaller order intake and production run than Eurofighter, so they might charge more for underutilized tooling, jigs and the like.

 

[The Messiah]

24th jan gone as well , next date please !

21-12-2012

 

[vanadium]

Next date announced, 27jan 2112.

I guess I won´t be around unless there are some unexpected breakthroughs in medicine!

 

[Armand2REP]

I guess I won´t be around unless there are some unexpected breakthroughs in medicine!

I am starting to get the feeling it will be cancelled.

 

[ace009]

I am starting to get the feeling it will be cancelled.

No way dude - it WILL go through and the IAF will get the MMRCA - I trust the date 27 Jan 2112 ...

Don't you?

 

[Armand2REP]

I have waited 10 years, I can wait two more days. After that I am never going to bother checking it again.

 

[p2prada]

That is incorrect, the Typhoons rear fuselage is made in Germany, the left wing in Italy and right wing in Spain. It will take a considerable amount of time, effort and CAPEX in tooling and training to build the entire aircraft in India. This amount may add atleast 10 billion to India's MMRCA spend (a conservative estimate). If I had to guess, I'd wager that India will receive a work share and assembly of the Typhoon and not license manufacture of the entire aircraft. License manufacture of the Rafale in India will be easier and cheaper.

I would agree with your point. However there was a time when people laughed at the prospect of constructing the MKI in India.

Btw, license manufacture is guaranteed, be it Typhoon or Rafale. HAL has already started preparations. A $6 Billion program was announced only last year.

I have waited 10 years, I can wait two more days. After that I am never going to bother checking it again.

You'll be back.

 

[Armand2REP]

Not on this thread...

 

[death.by.chocolate]

What about the front fuselage (containing the cockpit BTW!)?
I do not see why Dassault´s license production should be easier and cheaper. They have a much smaller order intake and production run than Eurofighter, so they might charge more for underutilized tooling, jigs and the like.

You will have your answer when you figure out how SHM works on the Typhoon.