India opens bids in $10.4-bn combat plane tender.

[Armand2REP]

The Gripen suspected irregularities, Swiss will conduct investigation

And if the Gripen was seized in Switzerland. As on many issues concerning the international sales of combat aircraft Swedish suspicions of manipulation and irregularities in the tender for the purchase of 22 aircraft (3.1 billion Swiss francs) are currently discussed in the press Helvetic, which has ironically dubbed the Gripen 'aircraft-Ikea ".

According to the newspaper "Le Temps" - other newspapers and parliamentarians have been fueled by a "raven very knowledgeable" - Bern will investigate "the conditions under which the choice of the Federal Council has focused on the Saab Gripen at the expense of the Eurofighter toEADS and Dassault Rafale. "In Focus, the project manager of the record and the head of the Federal Department of Defence, Ueli Maurer, who" had expressed his preference "for the Gripen after" directly " received an offer provided by the Swedish manufacturers. According to the "Raven", the Gripen was considered "unsatisfactory evaluations in flight during 2008 and 2009." The Swedish manufacturer "proposed improvements that appear only on paper continues the newspaper. The evaluators had applied weighting factors related to technological risks not measured. The project director had ordered to remove these weights, reducing the minimum in the Gripen. "Other charges, the Air Force would have liked to test the performance, endurance equipment before setting the number." With 15 Rafale or Eurofighter, we would have fulfilled the missions and 24 Gripen, saving resources in personnel and maintenance. This approach would have been denied, "said" Le Temps ".

This is not the first time that the Gripen is overtaken by bribery. In the early 2000s, allegations of corruption have soared in the Czech Republic after the order of 24 aircraft aborted and South Africa (26 aircraft). Finally, the Gripen will also have to convince the Swiss. The next election (referendum) on the purchase of 22 fighter planes could take place in autumn 2013. Maurer hopes to avoid a vote yet.

La presse helvétique évoque des irrégularités sur le contrat de l'avion de combat Gripen

 

[p2prada]

You will have your answer when you figure out how SHM works on the Typhoon.

What does monitoring health got to do with the Typhoon being made in India, unless you are talking about something else? It would be cheaper to have the entire production line in one country though especially in a country where labour costs 5 times less.

The front fuselage for Typhoon is made in the UK. Germany handles the center and the FBW while Italy handles the rear fuselage.

Not on this thread...

The govt has never announced a date for revealing the winner. It's the media making things up so they can get more hits on their website.

@Vanadium
The tools form the last aspect of the contract. It will be considered only if the fly away costs, lifecycle costs, industrial costs, ToT costs and offsets are similar. There are a lot of hurdles to cross.

 

[death.by.chocolate]

What does monitoring health got to do with the Typhoon being made in India, unless you are talking about something else? It would be cheaper to have the entire production line in one country though especially in a country where labour costs 5 times less.

How is the Typhoon able to measure air frame stress in flight? Why is this data sent to the FCS (flight computer)?
A hint, the use of Piezoelectrical fiber that is woven into carbon composite fabric makes it possible for the aircraft to receive real time measurement of air frame stress. The technology involved in making Typhoon structures is light-years ahead of what HAL is accustomed to producing. Not to mention the equipment needed for producing this is very expensive and export restricted. This is just one example; I can cite several other complexities in the production of the Typhoon.

 

[Bhon]

How is the Typhoon able to measure air frame stress in flight? Why is this data sent to the FCS (flight computer)?
A hint, the use of Piezoelectrical fiber that is woven into carbon composite fabric makes it possible for the aircraft to receive real time measurement of air frame stress. The technology involved in making Typhoon structures is light-years ahead of what HAL is accustomed to producing. Not to mention the equipment needed for producing this is very expensive and export restricted. This is just one example; I can cite several other complexities in the production of the Typhoon.

The Typhoon also makes extensive use of cutting edge composites and other materials. Even though I am in complete support of DRDO I can't disagree with you. Complete Tot will take enormous amounts of time. According to a Youtube vid of the NG Megastructures show, The Cockpit, nosecone, engine bay doors and the tail fin is made by BAE Sys., Britain, the left wing and the engine housing is made in Italy, the right wing is made in Spain, the center fuselage is made by EADS in Germany. Then each member nation gets a part manufactured by the other nations to assemble their own plane.

Now THAT is one hell of a complex production process ! However it may be of help for our HAL guys in helping them understand and work with such a complex platform.

 

[Armand2REP]

UK considers Rafale as 'interim aircraft'

26 January 2012

Ministry of Defence concerns over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter have led to military chiefs looking at other fast jets for the UK's aircraft carrier, it has been reported.

According to The Times, Admiral Sir Trevor Soar, the current commander-in-chief fleet, said concerns were growing about rising costs and delays in the JSF programme, something now worsened by order cuts from the US.

Soar, who was addressing defence companies at the ADS Maritime Interest Group, reportedly said the UK might not receive the $100m per piece F-35 jets until a decade after the delivery of the carrier, currently set for 2019.

He was said to be considering the French Dassault Rafale and the US F-18 Super Hornet to give Britain an "interim aircraft capability".

Soar indicated that the JSF would be a major talking point at the next strategic defence review in 2015.

UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' - Defence Management

 

[p2prada]

How is the Typhoon able to measure air frame stress in flight? Why is this data sent to the FCS (flight computer)?
A hint, the use of Piezoelectrical fiber that is woven into carbon composite fabric makes it possible for the aircraft to receive real time measurement of air frame stress. The technology involved in making Typhoon structures is light-years ahead of what HAL is accustomed to producing. Not to mention the equipment needed for producing this is very expensive and export restricted. This is just one example; I can cite several other complexities in the production of the Typhoon.

You mean the use of MEMs and some basic embedded systems to measure stress. This is going in the MKI too, post upgrade. Currently the MKI is fitted with a HUMS system which is not real time. It is made by South Africa's AMS.

The MKI was also light years ahead of what HAL could manufacture. We literally jumped from 2nd generation Mig-21s, 3rd gen Jaguars to MKIs.

Goodrich is sitting in India.

Hawk, being manufactured in India, has a BAE made HUMS as well and has real time capability.

Anyway, this is being made for LCA as well.
DIAT system soon to monitor in-flight health of Tejas Mk-II - Indian Express

The one going on LCA is said to be a generation ahead of what's on the MKI and also has real time capability. A similar system may go on the MKI or maybe even a Russian system.

 

[p2prada]

I understand there are complexities involved in manufacturing the EF or even the Rafale. We have had problems with the Scorpenes too. The manufacturers will obviously take time to learn. Perhaps why the first bird to come out of HAL will be manufactured from kits and slowly start production from scratch a few years later, quite like the MKI. The MKI's production started in 2002 and the first aircraft made from scratch came out only in 2011.

 

[Param]

UK considers Rafale as 'interim aircraft'

26 January 2012

Ministry of Defence concerns over the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter have led to military chiefs looking at other fast jets for the UK's aircraft carrier, it has been reported.

According to The Times, Admiral Sir Trevor Soar, the current commander-in-chief fleet, said concerns were growing about rising costs and delays in the JSF programme, something now worsened by order cuts from the US.

Soar, who was addressing defence companies at the ADS Maritime Interest Group, reportedly said the UK might not receive the $100m per piece F-35 jets until a decade after the delivery of the carrier, currently set for 2019.

He was said to be considering the French Dassault Rafale and the US F-18 Super Hornet to give Britain an "interim aircraft capability".

Soar indicated that the JSF would be a major talking point at the next strategic defence review in 2015.

UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' - Defence Management

And they are trying to sell us the EF

 

[p2prada]

^^^^
That's for the Royal Navy. Currently there is no Naval version of Typhoon.

 

[ace009]

Check out my date Armand - I did say 2112 - a hundred years and 2 days!

About the HUMS/ embedded MEMS - If the technology for the Engine and the Radar can be transferred to HAL,who has no experience with ether - then the new composites should not be too much of an issue since HAL already has some of that expertise ...

 

[vanadium]

The Typhoon also makes extensive use of cutting edge composites and other materials. Even though I am in complete support of DRDO I can't disagree with you. Complete Tot will take enormous amounts of time. According to a Youtube vid of the NG Megastructures show, The Cockpit, nosecone, engine bay doors and the tail fin is made by BAE Sys., Britain, the left wing and the engine housing is made in Italy, the right wing is made in Spain, the center fuselage is made by EADS in Germany. Then each member nation gets a part manufactured by the other nations to assemble their own plane.

Now THAT is one hell of a complex production process ! However it may be of help for our HAL guys in helping them understand and work with such a complex platform.

The production workshare and organization is quite typical of our times. F/A-18E, F-22 work along more or less similar "complexities". In civil aviation the complexity is even more pronounced and the Boeing 787 is probably the limit case of this trend. But this is nothing that cannot be easily mastered by India. I would not worry about that.

 

[vanadium]

And they are trying to sell us the EF

MMRCA is not going to be embarked...as far as I know.

The usual UK MoD posturing. One day is a STOVL, another day the CV variant is the flavor of the month. Now somebody is considering Rafale and SH. BTW those two planes had already been considered in the late 1990s. So nothing really new.

As Armand2REP would say: "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!"

 

[KS]

Today the last day I'm visiting this thread.

 

[anoop_mig25]

yeh i really think they are going to canceal it and some who its either going to americans or russians

 

[ace009]

Yeah - I think I am sick and tired of the MMRCA bullsh!t too ...

Bye bye MMRCA ...

 

[Armand2REP]

27th has come and gone... bye bye MMRCA bullsh!t

 

[SpArK]

Dassault and EADS members on mission to India too sell have gone back... their wives have filed for divorce saying they cant wait forever to wait for these guys to come back home.

MRCA is hence cancelled , cause nobody to negotiate to.

 

[Yusuf]

F-18 FMS hehehehehe

 

[H.A.]

guys be patient.....its better this is taken slowly rather get it done in a huff and puff, we don't want another scam....

 

[SpArK]

guys be patient.....its better this is taken slowly rather get it done in a huff and puff, we don't want another scam....

scam usually comes with slowness... there is nothing preventing from deciding the god damn thing other than economy.