India opens bids in $10.4-bn combat plane tender.

[pankaj nema]

It looks like BOTH planes have very similar prices ie the difference is small

SO Now contract Negotiations are ON with both parties For a final package deal

Who ever offers the best overall deal ie TOT , offsets AND also we can include engine technologies
and Nuclear Enrichment and reprocessing technologies etc etc will win

France is more open for EXPANDING the envelope

We can ask for ENR technologies This is the best possible moment

 

[p2prada]

hy the hell is the Rupee doing so badly against the Euro or the Dollar? The US and European economy is in shambles - compared to that Indian economy is doing much better ...
Is it due to INR inflation?

Lot of factors. RBI has been raising rates, GoI is forcing out FDI, industry is performing badly. All this will bring lesser inflation and reduce fiscal deficit while decreasing growth.

It's not something we have to be worried about. We have to be more worried if INR strengthens at this pace. Due to our oil imports, we will have to focus on exports and this currency helps our exporters.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

hy the hell is the Rupee doing so badly against the Euro or the Dollar? The US and European economy is in shambles - compared to that Indian economy is doing much better ...
Is it due to INR inflation?

to add to what p2p mentioned, we were in a situation where the government for over 7 years slept over any sort of reforms and now when we are struck hard because of that inaction, we have a desperate government which wants to undo the follies of past, but then we have an opposition which wont let the reforms happen.

anyways one of the prime reason has been flight of capital, along with compounding of issues mentioned earlier and hardly any intervention by the rbi, i suspect and like i mentioned earlier, for now the upper limit is 54 to a dollar, but rupee will stabilize and strengthen once the EU situation clears out and hopefully stabilizes.

 

[Patriot]

It looks like BOTH planes have very similar prices ie the difference is small

SO Now contract Negotiations are ON with both parties For a final package deal

Who ever offers the best overall deal ie TOT , offsets AND also we can include engine technologies
and Nuclear Enrichment and reprocessing technologies etc etc will win

France is more open for EXPANDING the envelope

We can ask for ENR technologies This is the best possible moment

Absolutely, French are the better bet, they are desperate to sell Rafale & cannot risk another failure in securing the maiden order for their plane. Guys this is the perfect time to squeez them out in terms of technology not only related to rafale, engine but also in nuclear weapon tech & Navy projects like catapult system for IAC.

 

[agentperry]

if the deal will be of 20 billion dollars which meas more than 150 million dollar per aircraft. its better to cancel and go for jsf.
logistically and economically it will be better to have jsf in our forces.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In JSF thing will be same as P8-I and C-130j..

Where many electronic had to be replaced by ours, Also i doubt regarding the amount Tot as its given by French and Europeans..

 

[agentperry]

In JSF thing will be same as P8-I and C-130j..

Where many electronic had to be replaced by ours, Also i doubt regarding the amount Tot as its given by French and Europeans..

if electronic is to be replace than its better to go with jsf than typhoon or rafale whose delivery will be completed by 2025-26 and by then they will be useless or not so great against the potential threats like chinese j20 and dont what more is coming.

 

[weg]

if the deal will be of 20 billion dollars which meas more than 150 million dollar per aircraft. its better to cancel and go for jsf.
logistically and economically it will be better to have jsf in our forces.

JSF will cost twice that amount, life time cost. Besides that, the JSF is useless for A2A, for that you need the F-22, which they won't sell.

 

[p2prada]

if the deal will be of 20 billion dollars which meas more than 150 million dollar per aircraft. its better to cancel and go for jsf.
logistically and economically it will be better to have jsf in our forces.

F-35s won't come in time. We want MRCA inductions to happen in 2015, not in 2025. Most realistic F-35 induction date is 2019 for IOC in the USAF. We will end up getting F-35s after PAKFA has finished production. No point at all. Rafale and EF are flying today, so why wait?

The Japan deal shows F-35's unit price is $113million. Euro canards are cheaper. Rafale may cost upwards of $150million apiece with 10 years of spares, servicing and training costs included.

 

[p2prada]

JSF will cost twice that amount, life time cost. Besides that, the JSF is useless for A2A, for that you need the F-22, which they won't sell.

I wonder why the F-35 isn't named F/A-35 like the Hornet. That's what it really is. It isn't an air superiority aircraft at all even though it is claimed to be something close to it. The SH isn't air superiority even if it can track and kill an MKI at 100Km.

 

[Galaxy]

I wonder why the F-35 isn't named F/A-35 like the Hornet. That's what it really is. It isn't an air superiority aircraft at all even though it is claimed to be something close to it. The SH isn't air superiority even if it can track and kill an MKI at 100Km.

May be because F-35 is in altogether different category i.e. Stealth 5th generation. F-18, is 4.5th Gen. fighter jets.

 

[anoop_mig25]

Lot of factors. RBI has been raising rates, GoI is forcing out FDI, industry is performing badly. All this will bring lesser inflation and reduce fiscal deficit while decreasing growth.

It's not something we have to be worried about. We have to be more worried if INR strengthens at this pace. Due to our oil imports, we will have to focus on exports and this currency helps our exporters.

all though of topic but i donot see gov achieving its fiscal deficit target as announced in previous budget. all ready there news in paper where various gov officials have stared accepting that they are gone to miss target and also how all of those measure u mentioned are going to reduce gov fiscal deficit . gov fiscal deficit is due to most populist corruption ridden porgrams.just pm me about it

 

[JayATL]

This deal is dangerously coming close to be scrapped.

I thought I read somewhere that the bids are only valid till next week .

Then, the rupee exchange is ridiculously high which would mean millions in additional dollars

I suspect that rupee value may kill this deal..

If and only IF that happens, my hope is India will take a serious look at F35, jump into 5 th gen if it meets its requirements and join the JSF program.

 

[agentperry]

this is getting so damn interesting.

mmrca most prestigious project of IAF being scrapped and going to more conventional country in air defence industry.

but there is a strong point in favor of it too.

those who side by f-35 jsf( like me) were not focusing on one important thing prior to su-30 mki crash that the aircrafts are needed for quick replacement of mig-21 and mig-27 which are coffin brothers.
if govt cancels or delays it more no of crash will take place in the due time and may kill more no of pilots. moreover the the outrage is complimentary. jsf is no way near sight with full perfection. it still has some flaws.

govt may go with other aircrafts which it finds suitable and which comes with swift delivery but jsf is out of the table- India may join it with fewer no of mmrca coming to it and rest being jsf. but it will be subjected to report on the tentative joining date of jsf into the forces and the progress it makes in the meantime.

russian heavy duty plane may be bought also or instead of jsf, most likely as an alternative.

 

[ace009]

This deal is dangerously coming close to be scrapped.

I thought I read somewhere that the bids are only valid till next week .

Then, the rupee exchange is ridiculously high which would mean millions in additional dollars

I suspect that rupee value may kill this deal..

Well, if I know my countrymen, either the deal will be signed an hour before it expires (best case scenario) or the GOI will ask for an extension from the two finalists (normal), or the whole deal will be "scrapped" and GOI will go for a direct govt to govt deal (worse case).

 

[SpArK]

Mid December is over...

WTF MoD are doing.. still checking papers?

Decision when MMS back from Moscow?:shocked:

 

[Payeng]

Mid December is over...

WTF MoD are doing.. still checking papers?

Decision when MMS back from Moscow?:shocked:

Hey it is only September as per IST.

 

[p2prada]

May be because F-35 is in altogether different category i.e. Stealth 5th generation. F-18, is 4.5th Gen. fighter jets.

Like that matters when J-20 and PAKFA come into the picture. Who knows how many countries the Chinese will proliferate the J-xx to.

If there are 3000 F-35s, there will be 1000 PAKFAs and another 2000+ from China with a combination of J-20, J-xx and J-2x. Not to mention AMCA, LMFI(Russia), ATD-X derivatives(Japan and Indonesia). Heck by the middle of next decade there may be 8(guaranteed) or more FGFA programs running around the world.

It won't make sense if F-35 is as stealthy as claimed and with superior avionics but the other aircraft come close with superior aerodynamics. Especially the PAKFA and J-20.

In case of India, ToT is an issue. They won't give it even if they want to. Let's not forget we had issues with ToT from Russia itself and they had to change laws to enable transfer.

all though of topic but i donot see gov achieving its fiscal deficit target as announced in previous budget. all ready there news in paper where various gov officials have stared accepting that they are gone to miss target and also how all of those measure u mentioned are going to reduce gov fiscal deficit . gov fiscal deficit is due to most populist corruption ridden porgrams.just pm me about it

If I send you a PM, I am quite positive you will flood my entire inbox with the awesome programs we have.

 

[Nagraj]

heard a rumor that MMRCA is going to be scrapped .
any ideas???

 

[asianobserve]

All I know is that Rafale is the "best" fighter that nobody wants. It wouldn't look good for India to buy something that practically every other self-respecting Air Force has rejected. The EF on the other hand is ridiculously expensive for performance that the SH can match or exceed (not to mention that PAF may already be sufficiently aquainted with due to Saudi assets).

BTW, this time maneuvering is truly becoming a thing of the past (the 1950's Phantom prediction was too early though).