India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[SRao]

Even with concerted efforts less number of roads are being built this year, hopefully the length/location of these roads substantiates the concerted effort.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Something is missing!
We have road till ITBP base finger 3 and then foot patrol till finger 4. Chinese has road till finger 5
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Here finger 3-4 has steep gradients vehicles movement ain't possible has claimed in below pic
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So then where did this APC clash happen? It's clearly seen there is no road and Chinese can't brink vehicles to our side of finger 4-5 and lake is clearly visible
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OSINT analysis claim this clash took place in our territory between finger 4-5. So from where did the Chinese slipped those vehicles from?

We (or Chinese) made the roads. Its only natural, if China can make roads till finger 4, what is stopping us to reach there too?

Its also quite possible that China got rattled we are making roads that will allow our vehicles till finger 4, and forcefully occupied area around finger 4 and pitched their tents between finger 3 & 4 (earlier reports), but at this point, my imagination is just running wild.

 

[Gandaberunda]

This place has divided the OSINT community while one lot says 3-4,the other says 4-5.
I am inclined to believe the latter as 3-4 has too steep a terrain for vehicular approach.
But as none of us here have ever walked there ..its anybody's guess.

But if it's f4-f5 Chinese vehicles would have been on the road built by them not on a pathway!
Here this pic shows the incident took place next to ITBP base F3

 

[ninja hattori]

The PRC, in my view, didn't expect the public discourse to actually get around to supporting the GoI. They expected a weak response in view of a gullible public believing 'loss of territory' refrain.
Its not the question of handing over. Don't go on the words and exact. I clearly said not exact but good general direction. Think on that.

so. soo.. it was all about pak.. isn't it... It means even if we accept (which we will not) GB and let POk go CPEC stands.

If this offer is true.

I want to burst some crackers.

It means we are on right track and its china who is on negotiating table.

but I guess this offer was also made back in track 2 talks?

 

[IndianHawk]

Even with concerted efforts less number of roads are being built this year, hopefully the length/location of these roads substantiates the concerted effort.

Most of the length is already covered. By 2022 all roads will be completed.

 

[Gandaberunda]

so. soo.. it was all about pak.. isn't it... It means even if we accept (which we will not) GB and let POk go CPEC stands.

If this offer is true.

I want to burst some crackers.

It means we are on right track and its china who is on negotiating table.

It's an old offer which we have already rejected for different reasons! Chinese fear for CPEC Running through PoK and they always wanted India to join BRI.

 

[ninja hattori]

It's an old offer which we have already rejected for different reasons! Chinese fear for CPEC Running through PoK and they always wanted India to join BRI.

exactly I did heard some track 2 talks on this.

But this time it seems for them the threat is as real and what I claimed is true china is acting as saviour for our GB action, and its going to happen soon

 

[Gandaberunda]

We (or Chinese) made the roads. Its only natural, if China can make roads till finger 4, what is stopping us to reach there too?

Its also quite possible that China got rattled we are making roads that will allow our vehicles till finger 4, and forcefully occupied area around finger 4 and pitched their tents between finger 3 & 4 (earlier reports), but at this point, my imagination is just running wild.

There is no construction happening in Pyongyang lake. Our side of road from leh to F3 was completed in 2013.

 

[IndianHawk]

It's an old offer which we have already rejected for different reasons! Chinese fear for CPEC Running through PoK and they always wanted India to join BRI.

BRI is meaningless without India. India was only nation openly opposing BRI and now all major countries boycott it following Indian lead.

Chinese dream lay shattered.

 

[captscooby81]

I think its high time Indian Generals should stop giving this false belief that we can handle 2.5 front war any time , What the hell is 2.5 front war . If you know there is a possibility of such situation then you rather should work on reducing that 2.5 to 2 or even to 1.5 or 1 front war , We are not like Israel to fight a war with Egypt and Syria and arab forces at same time .

Rather than giving govt hope that we can hold 2.5 front any day it's better to draw up a strategy to completely neutralise 1 front and bring it to 1.5 front war . As of now that 1 front which we can seriously taken on is pakistan come up with a concrete plan and try to put a good action to that front . Once we sort paki front then pour out all our defence modernisation and upgrade on to Chinese front so that we can keep a credible deterrence to chinese that they cant simply run over us .

Its now or never Generals should put the clear picture to govt rather just being yes man and saying we will fight 2.5 front war .

China is our enemy number 1 not pakistan for long time we just diverted enough attention and also even public disclosure towards pakistan and left china which indirectly affected common public to who never had second thought to run and by chinese mobiles and electronic gadgets because we never projected what china is for us the real big threat

How many will buy made in pakistan mobile even if we are allowing their import compare that to how many today buying chinese brands .

 

[captscooby81]

The only way chinese APC would have reached between finger 3 and 4 is if they had gone up north above finger 5 and then came down from the high mountains . But is that possible to drive into such steep slope ?

There is no construction happening in Pyongyang lake. Our side of road from leh to F3 was completed in 2013.

 

[IndianHawk]

I think its high time Indian Generals should stop giving this false belief that we can handled 2.5 front war any time , What the hell is 2.5 front war . If you know there is a possibility of such situation then you rather should work on reducing that 2.5 to 2 or even to 1.5 or 1 front war , We are not like Israel to fight a war with Egypt and Syria and arab forces at same time .

Rather than giving govt hope that we can hold 2.5 front any day it's better to draw up a strategy to completely neutralise 1 front and bring it to 1.5 front war . As of now that 1 front which we can seriously taken on is pakistan come up with a concrete plan and try to put a good action to that front . Once we sort paki front then pour out all our defence modernisation and upgrade on to Chinese front so that we can keep a credible deterrence to chinese that they cant simply run over us .

Its now or never Generals should put the clear picture to govt rather just being yes man and saying we will fight 2.5 front war .

China is our enemy number 1 not pakistan for long time we just diverted enough attention and also even public disclosure towards pakistan and left china which indirectly affected common public to who never had second thought to run and by chinese mobiles and electronic gadgets because we never projected what china is for us the real big threat

How many will buy made in pakistan mobile even if we are allowing their import compare that to how many today buying chinese brands .

Pakistan in full fleged war would be nuetralised in 5-7 days . It neither has depth nor assets to fight any longer. And right now it doesn't have money to pay for 2-3 days of intensive fighting .

 

[mist_consecutive]

The only way chinese APC would have reached between finger 3 and 4 is if they had gone up north above finger 5 and then came down from the high mountains . But is that possible to drive into such steep slope ?

Not possible even with Batmobile level engineering. The terrain is too hostile. The only logical explanation is road got completed connecting finger 4 & 3.

 

[IndianHawk]

Not possible even with Batmobile level engineering. The terrain is too hostile. The only logical explanation is road got completed connecting finger 4 & 3.

Nope fingur 4 is our patrol area. No chose road there.

 

[Gandaberunda]

The only way chinese APC would have reached between finger 3 and 4 is if they had gone up north above finger 5 and then came down from the high mountains . But is that possible to drive into such steep slope ?

Dont know about vehicles but Chinese soldiers were sliding from top of the mountains in that stone pelting video but convoy vehicles were along the lake path

 

[IndianHawk]

Dont know about vehicles but Chinese soldiers were sliding from top of the mountains in that stone pelting video but convoy vehicles were along the lake path

That vehicle was on rough terrain. That altercation happened deeper on Chinese side of lac. It was our intrusion.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I think its high time Indian Generals should stop giving this false belief that we can handled 2.5 front war any time , What the hell is 2.5 front war . If you know there is a possibility of such situation then you rather should work on reducing that 2.5 to 2 or even to 1.5 or 1 front war , We are not like Israel to fight a war with Egypt and Syria and arab forces at same time .

Rather than giving govt hope that we can hold 2.5 front any day it's better to draw up a strategy to completely neutralise 1 front and bring it to 1.5 front war . As of now that 1 front which we can seriously taken on is pakistan come up with a concrete plan and try to put a good action to that front . Once we sort paki front then pour out all our defence modernisation and upgrade on to Chinese front so that we can keep a credible deterrence to chinese that they cant simply run over us .

Its now or never Generals should put the clear picture to govt rather just being yes man and saying we will fight 2.5 front war .

China is our enemy number 1 not pakistan for long time we just diverted enough attention and also even public disclosure towards pakistan and left china which indirectly affected common public to who never had second thought to run and by chinese mobiles and electronic gadgets because we never projected what china is for us the real big threat

How many will buy made in pakistan mobile even if we are allowing their import compare that to how many today buying chinese brands .

If our military generals are saying (not politicians), what makes you think we are not ready for 2.5 front war? This is a very much predicted scenario for a long time, any war with China/Pakistan, the other side is bound to join.
The other 0.5 front is internal strife/anti-nationals/terrorists etc.

 

[Gandaberunda]

That vehicle was on rough terrain. That altercation happened deeper on Chinese side of lac. It was our intrusion.

If it was our intrusion they have well built road along their side of lake... Why will Chinese patrol in own area in rough terrain leaving the black top road?

 

[IndianHawk]

If our military generals are saying (not politicians), what makes you think we are not ready for 2.5 front war? This is a very much predicted scenario for a long time, any war with China/Pakistan, the other side is bound to join.
The other 0.5 front is internal strife/anti-nationals/terrorists etc.

People underestimate our military might because it's not hyped by mass media.

For example we have more tanks then china. We also have much more armed manpower compared to china. Our equipment is far superior to china in almost every class. Our infrastructure along chini front is now almost complete.

I could go on .

 

[IndianHawk]

If it was our intrusion they have well built road along their side of lake... Why will Chinese patrol in own area in rough terrain leaving the black top road?

They don't have black topped road all over the area.
They have road reaching to that area.