India-China Border conflict

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

The solution to this is creating an alternate testing facility on India's Western coast.

Docking at Pakistan or creating a permanent base in Pak will be easier for them

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

All of this has been made possible by the docking facilities available in Sri Lanka.

While long range deployments can happen anyways having a proper docking region increases the resilience and frequency of such deployments significantly.

It's a shame that a country our size failed to even handle a bankrupt Sri Lanka at our doorstep.

We cannot. Not enough economic clout. These things will come as we get to $8-10 trillion gdp.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Again a self inflicted restraint! What can you expect from a cuck'd nation?

MEA should have at least raised a stink, mentioned some hyperboles like "red line", "lakshman rekha" etc. about Lanka in the public forums.

once again, you need an $8-10 trillion economy to make all these neighborhood fools to dance to our tunes. Right now China does have the upper hand as all these foolish nations know that China’s economic output is 4-5 times as large as ours. So they are going to tread carefully. Unless we close the economic gap against China, MEA or Modi or whoever will not be able to influence foreign policy much. Let’s see by 2030. Some cards are in the play: reduction of oil imports, manufacturing led export growth, indigenization of supply chains, border infrastructure buildup, private companies in defense and aerospace, expanded tax base and formalizing of economy for government revenue growth, gatishakti fast infra development etc. Many such big things have to happen and happen rapidly.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

The solution to this is creating an alternate testing facility on India's Western coast.

Not possible. India's Western coast has heavy shipping traffic.
The whole reason why India's Eastern coast was selected due to minimum disruption to shipping traffic and an added advantage being away from Pakistan.

 

[Jimih]

Han Chinese criminals operating with impunity in India

 

[Photon]

 

[mist_consecutive]

Indian Railways expansion plans in Northeast include laying tracks till China border

Indian Railways will construct railway lines from Bhalukpong to Tawang along the China border and Silapathar to Along via Bame, which once ready will have strategic importance because it will connect the border areas in the shortest time.

aninews.in

Railway line planned till Tawang, Along, Pasighat, and connecting Bhutan as well.

 

[Compersion]

Vasuki - Wikipedia

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only we can

 

[jai jaganath]

Vasuki - Wikipedia

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only we can

Aap har thread me jake kya like rahe hai kuch samajh nahi a raha hai
I mean why are u derailing the threads if not pls explain your posts

 

[nixin]

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

phys.org

Spoiler: ARTICLE from phys.org

Although it is impossible to pinpoint the precise locations of the incursions, it is clear that the incursions are clustered around hot spots. These are the so-called red-zones: parts of the Line of Actual Control between China and India, where the border is not clearly defined. Credit: PLOS ONE (2022). DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0274999

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

Led by Northwestern University, Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands and the Netherlands Defense Academy, the authors assembled a new dataset, compiling information about Chinese incursions into India from 2006 to 2020. Then they used game theory and statistical methods to analyze the data.

The researchers found that conflicts can be separated into two distinct sectors: west/middle (the Aksai Chin region) and east (the Arunachal Pradesh region). While the researchers learned that the number of incursions are generally increasing over time, they concluded that conflicts in the east and middle sectors are part of a coordinated expansionist strategy.

By pinpointing the exact locations lying at the root of the conflict, the researchers believe deterrents could be established in these specific areas to defuse tensions along the entire border.

The study, "Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India," will be published on Nov. 10 in the journal PLOS ONE.

"By studying the number of incursions that occurred in the west and middle sectors over time, it became obvious, statistically, that these incursions are not random," said Northwestern's V.S. Subrahmanian, the study's senior author. "The probability of randomness is very low, which suggests to us that it's a coordinated effort. When we looked at the eastern sector, however, there is much weaker evidence for coordination. Settling border disputes in specific areas could be an important first step in a step-by-step resolution of the entire conflict."

A world-renowned expert in AI and security matters, Subrahmanian is the Walter P. Murphy Professor of Computer Science at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering and a Buffett Faculty Fellow at Northwestern's Buffett Institute for Global Affairs.

Incursions on the rise

The longest disputed border in the world, the India-China boundary has experienced recurring conflicts since 1962. Incursions tend to occur in two distinct regions: Aksai Chin, a region north of Nepal that is controlled by China but claimed by India, and Arunachal Pradesh, a region east of Bhutan that is controlled by India but claimed by China.

To construct their new dataset, the authors compiled publicly available information about border incursions that were well-documented by international media. For the study, the team defined an "incursion" as any movement of Chinese troops across the border—by foot or in vehicles—into areas that are internationally accepted as India's territory. Then, they plotted each location on a map, identifying 13 hotspots where incursions happen most frequently.

In the 15-year dataset, the researchers noted an average of 7.8 incursions per year. The Indian government's estimates, however, are much higher at 300 per year.

"Although the Indian government publicizes these numbers, we don't have the details behind them," Subrahmanian said. "They might be counting a series of temporally proximate events as several different incursions, whereas we count them all as part of the same one incursion. But when we plotted our data and their data on a graph, the curves still have the same shape. Both curves show that incursions are increasing—but not steadily. They rise and fall, while still trending upward."

In a 2005 agreement, India and China combined sectors 1 and 2 into the western sector (from Karakoram pass to Mount Gya). The agreement separated sector 3 into a Sikkim sector and an eastern sector (along the state of Arunachal Pradesh on the India side). The middle sector from Mount Gya to the border with Nepal is the least controversial part of the boundary. Credit: PLOS ONE

'Keep the pot boiling'

Although hotspots occur throughout Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh, the researchers' game-theory analysis indicates that only the incursions in Aksai Chin are part of a coordinated effort. Building on insights from game theory, the researchers predict that China is trying to establish permanent control over Aksai Chin by allocating more troops for a longer period of time than India.

"China grabs a little bit of territory and then a little bit more until India accepts that it's Chinese territory," Subrahmanian said. "There is a saying: 'Keep the pot boiling but don't let it boil over.' China takes small pieces of land, but keeps it under the threshold of where India would counter-attack. But, over time, it becomes a bigger piece of land."

The finding that China is most interested in acquiring Aksai Chin, Subrahmanian says, supports common knowledge.

"Knowing there are more incursions in the western sector is not a surprise," he said. "Aksai Chin is a strategic area that China wants to develop, so it's very critical to them. It's a vital passageway between China and the Chinese autonomous regions of Tibet and Xinjiang."

Finding solutions

In a previous paper (published by Nature Humanities and Social Sciences Communications in 2021), Subrahmanian and his collaborators studied when incursions are most likely to occur. They found that China attacks when it feels most vulnerable.

"We found an uptick in incursions when China is experiencing economic stress, such as low consumer confidence," Subrahmanian said. "We also see upticks when India gets closer to the United States."

Now that Subrahmanian and his team understand when and where these incursions occur, they next plan to explore how to address them. The study authors believe military interventions should be a last resort. Instead, they suggest bilateral negotiations, developing early warning systems to predict when incursions might occur or bolstering India's economy in order to challenge China's economic dominance.

"China's robust economy results in increased aggression around the world," Subrahmanian said. "No one wants a war—not just in terms of lives—but in terms of economic ripple effects. It would be an economic tsunami."

Spoiler: SOURCE

Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India

The China-India border is the longest disputed border in the world. The countries went to war in 1962 and there have been recurring border skirmishes ever since. Reports of Chinese incursions into Indian territory are now a frequent occurrence. This rising tension between the world’s most...

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[AnantS]

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

phys.org

Spoiler: ARTICLE from phys.org

View attachment 181351
Although it is impossible to pinpoint the precise locations of the incursions, it is clear that the incursions are clustered around hot spots. These are the so-called red-zones: parts of the Line of Actual Control between China and India, where the border is not clearly defined. Credit: PLOS ONE (2022). DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0274999

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

Led by Northwestern University, Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands and the Netherlands Defense Academy, the authors assembled a new dataset, compiling information about Chinese incursions into India from 2006 to 2020. Then they used game theory and statistical methods to analyze the data.

The researchers found that conflicts can be separated into two distinct sectors: west/middle (the Aksai Chin region) and east (the Arunachal Pradesh region). While the researchers learned that the number of incursions are generally increasing over time, they concluded that conflicts in the east and middle sectors are part of a coordinated expansionist strategy.

By pinpointing the exact locations lying at the root of the conflict, the researchers believe deterrents could be established in these specific areas to defuse tensions along the entire border.

The study, "Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India," will be published on Nov. 10 in the journal PLOS ONE.

"By studying the number of incursions that occurred in the west and middle sectors over time, it became obvious, statistically, that these incursions are not random," said Northwestern's V.S. Subrahmanian, the study's senior author. "The probability of randomness is very low, which suggests to us that it's a coordinated effort. When we looked at the eastern sector, however, there is much weaker evidence for coordination. Settling border disputes in specific areas could be an important first step in a step-by-step resolution of the entire conflict."

A world-renowned expert in AI and security matters, Subrahmanian is the Walter P. Murphy Professor of Computer Science at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering and a Buffett Faculty Fellow at Northwestern's Buffett Institute for Global Affairs.

Incursions on the rise

The longest disputed border in the world, the India-China boundary has experienced recurring conflicts since 1962. Incursions tend to occur in two distinct regions: Aksai Chin, a region north of Nepal that is controlled by China but claimed by India, and Arunachal Pradesh, a region east of Bhutan that is controlled by India but claimed by China.

To construct their new dataset, the authors compiled publicly available information about border incursions that were well-documented by international media. For the study, the team defined an "incursion" as any movement of Chinese troops across the border—by foot or in vehicles—into areas that are internationally accepted as India's territory. Then, they plotted each location on a map, identifying 13 hotspots where incursions happen most frequently.

In the 15-year dataset, the researchers noted an average of 7.8 incursions per year. The Indian government's estimates, however, are much higher at 300 per year.

"Although the Indian government publicizes these numbers, we don't have the details behind them," Subrahmanian said. "They might be counting a series of temporally proximate events as several different incursions, whereas we count them all as part of the same one incursion. But when we plotted our data and their data on a graph, the curves still have the same shape. Both curves show that incursions are increasing—but not steadily. They rise and fall, while still trending upward."

View attachment 181353
In a 2005 agreement, India and China combined sectors 1 and 2 into the western sector (from Karakoram pass to Mount Gya). The agreement separated sector 3 into a Sikkim sector and an eastern sector (along the state of Arunachal Pradesh on the India side). The middle sector from Mount Gya to the border with Nepal is the least controversial part of the boundary. Credit: PLOS ONE

'Keep the pot boiling'

Although hotspots occur throughout Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh, the researchers' game-theory analysis indicates that only the incursions in Aksai Chin are part of a coordinated effort. Building on insights from game theory, the researchers predict that China is trying to establish permanent control over Aksai Chin by allocating more troops for a longer period of time than India.

"China grabs a little bit of territory and then a little bit more until India accepts that it's Chinese territory," Subrahmanian said. "There is a saying: 'Keep the pot boiling but don't let it boil over.' China takes small pieces of land, but keeps it under the threshold of where India would counter-attack. But, over time, it becomes a bigger piece of land."

The finding that China is most interested in acquiring Aksai Chin, Subrahmanian says, supports common knowledge.

"Knowing there are more incursions in the western sector is not a surprise," he said. "Aksai Chin is a strategic area that China wants to develop, so it's very critical to them. It's a vital passageway between China and the Chinese autonomous regions of Tibet and Xinjiang."

Finding solutions

In a previous paper (published by Nature Humanities and Social Sciences Communications in 2021), Subrahmanian and his collaborators studied when incursions are most likely to occur. They found that China attacks when it feels most vulnerable.

"We found an uptick in incursions when China is experiencing economic stress, such as low consumer confidence," Subrahmanian said. "We also see upticks when India gets closer to the United States."

Now that Subrahmanian and his team understand when and where these incursions occur, they next plan to explore how to address them. The study authors believe military interventions should be a last resort. Instead, they suggest bilateral negotiations, developing early warning systems to predict when incursions might occur or bolstering India's economy in order to challenge China's economic dominance.

"China's robust economy results in increased aggression around the world," Subrahmanian said. "No one wants a war—not just in terms of lives—but in terms of economic ripple effects. It would be an economic tsunami."

Spoiler: SOURCE

Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India

The China-India border is the longest disputed border in the world. The countries went to war in 1962 and there have been recurring border skirmishes ever since. Reports of Chinese incursions into Indian territory are now a frequent occurrence. This rising tension between the world’s most...

journals.plos.org

Complete PDF

vey true. For all the boast, we really did not grab any territory permanently except may be little here & there to be only used as bargaining chips, then relinquishing after getting diminishing status quo in bargain while simultaneously exposing whatever little surprises we could have sprung to China-enabling China to counteract it for future.

China is playing Chequers and we are playing defensive chess on the same board.

 

[mokoman]

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions into India are increasing and are strategically planned, study finds

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

phys.org

Spoiler: ARTICLE from phys.org

View attachment 181351
Although it is impossible to pinpoint the precise locations of the incursions, it is clear that the incursions are clustered around hot spots. These are the so-called red-zones: parts of the Line of Actual Control between China and India, where the border is not clearly defined. Credit: PLOS ONE (2022). DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0274999

Chinese incursions across India's west and central borders are not independent, random incidents that happen by mistake. Instead, these incursions are part of a strategically planned, coordinated effort in order to gain permanent control of disputed border areas, a new study has found.

Led by Northwestern University, Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands and the Netherlands Defense Academy, the authors assembled a new dataset, compiling information about Chinese incursions into India from 2006 to 2020. Then they used game theory and statistical methods to analyze the data.

The researchers found that conflicts can be separated into two distinct sectors: west/middle (the Aksai Chin region) and east (the Arunachal Pradesh region). While the researchers learned that the number of incursions are generally increasing over time, they concluded that conflicts in the east and middle sectors are part of a coordinated expansionist strategy.

By pinpointing the exact locations lying at the root of the conflict, the researchers believe deterrents could be established in these specific areas to defuse tensions along the entire border.

The study, "Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India," will be published on Nov. 10 in the journal PLOS ONE.

"By studying the number of incursions that occurred in the west and middle sectors over time, it became obvious, statistically, that these incursions are not random," said Northwestern's V.S. Subrahmanian, the study's senior author. "The probability of randomness is very low, which suggests to us that it's a coordinated effort. When we looked at the eastern sector, however, there is much weaker evidence for coordination. Settling border disputes in specific areas could be an important first step in a step-by-step resolution of the entire conflict."

A world-renowned expert in AI and security matters, Subrahmanian is the Walter P. Murphy Professor of Computer Science at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering and a Buffett Faculty Fellow at Northwestern's Buffett Institute for Global Affairs.

Incursions on the rise

The longest disputed border in the world, the India-China boundary has experienced recurring conflicts since 1962. Incursions tend to occur in two distinct regions: Aksai Chin, a region north of Nepal that is controlled by China but claimed by India, and Arunachal Pradesh, a region east of Bhutan that is controlled by India but claimed by China.

To construct their new dataset, the authors compiled publicly available information about border incursions that were well-documented by international media. For the study, the team defined an "incursion" as any movement of Chinese troops across the border—by foot or in vehicles—into areas that are internationally accepted as India's territory. Then, they plotted each location on a map, identifying 13 hotspots where incursions happen most frequently.

In the 15-year dataset, the researchers noted an average of 7.8 incursions per year. The Indian government's estimates, however, are much higher at 300 per year.

"Although the Indian government publicizes these numbers, we don't have the details behind them," Subrahmanian said. "They might be counting a series of temporally proximate events as several different incursions, whereas we count them all as part of the same one incursion. But when we plotted our data and their data on a graph, the curves still have the same shape. Both curves show that incursions are increasing—but not steadily. They rise and fall, while still trending upward."

View attachment 181353
In a 2005 agreement, India and China combined sectors 1 and 2 into the western sector (from Karakoram pass to Mount Gya). The agreement separated sector 3 into a Sikkim sector and an eastern sector (along the state of Arunachal Pradesh on the India side). The middle sector from Mount Gya to the border with Nepal is the least controversial part of the boundary. Credit: PLOS ONE

'Keep the pot boiling'

Although hotspots occur throughout Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh, the researchers' game-theory analysis indicates that only the incursions in Aksai Chin are part of a coordinated effort. Building on insights from game theory, the researchers predict that China is trying to establish permanent control over Aksai Chin by allocating more troops for a longer period of time than India.

"China grabs a little bit of territory and then a little bit more until India accepts that it's Chinese territory," Subrahmanian said. "There is a saying: 'Keep the pot boiling but don't let it boil over.' China takes small pieces of land, but keeps it under the threshold of where India would counter-attack. But, over time, it becomes a bigger piece of land."

The finding that China is most interested in acquiring Aksai Chin, Subrahmanian says, supports common knowledge.

"Knowing there are more incursions in the western sector is not a surprise," he said. "Aksai Chin is a strategic area that China wants to develop, so it's very critical to them. It's a vital passageway between China and the Chinese autonomous regions of Tibet and Xinjiang."

Finding solutions

In a previous paper (published by Nature Humanities and Social Sciences Communications in 2021), Subrahmanian and his collaborators studied when incursions are most likely to occur. They found that China attacks when it feels most vulnerable.

"We found an uptick in incursions when China is experiencing economic stress, such as low consumer confidence," Subrahmanian said. "We also see upticks when India gets closer to the United States."

Now that Subrahmanian and his team understand when and where these incursions occur, they next plan to explore how to address them. The study authors believe military interventions should be a last resort. Instead, they suggest bilateral negotiations, developing early warning systems to predict when incursions might occur or bolstering India's economy in order to challenge China's economic dominance.

"China's robust economy results in increased aggression around the world," Subrahmanian said. "No one wants a war—not just in terms of lives—but in terms of economic ripple effects. It would be an economic tsunami."

Spoiler: SOURCE

Rising tension in the Himalayas: A geospatial analysis of Chinese border incursions into India

The China-India border is the longest disputed border in the world. The countries went to war in 1962 and there have been recurring border skirmishes ever since. Reports of Chinese incursions into Indian territory are now a frequent occurrence. This rising tension between the world’s most...

journals.plos.org

Complete PDF

they used AI , statistic modelling and game theory to find that water is wet .

this is all been reported in news for decades .

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Indian Railways expansion plans in Northeast include laying tracks till China border

Indian Railways will construct railway lines from Bhalukpong to Tawang along the China border and Silapathar to Along via Bame, which once ready will have strategic importance because it will connect the border areas in the shortest time.

aninews.in

Railway line planned till Tawang, Along, Pasighat, and connecting Bhutan as well.

All good but border projects are slow as the Himalayas is a great and expensive challenge to conquer. Almost all border projects (road, rail, village building, electricity etc) are heavily delayed. The road to Tawang is still not done. It was supposed to be completed by 2020.

 

[rockdog]

Infrastructure Development in Border Areas

Infrastructure Development in Border Areas General Deepak Kapoor, PVSM, AVSM, SM, VSM (Retd)@ Introduction In the 1950s, the road, rail and air infrastructure in Tibet was as […]

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Chinese translation:

最新 | 印军高层透露：莫迪在中印边境大搞基建原来是这逻辑…

印前参谋长迪帕克·卡普尔分析印边境基础设施落后于中国的原因并提出建议。

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[BabaKhalbali]

 

[Love Charger]

I wish Muhammad bin tuglaq became sultan e hind , he mounted a invasion of China, although its another thing that only few hundred men returned back to Delhi and the his army never reached even khotan or sinking
I am not saying we should fight the chiense but he had bigger balls than mudijee as far Chinese are concerned

 

[prasadr14]

I wish Muhammad bin tuglaq became sultan e hind , he mounted a invasion of China, although its another thing that only few hundred men returned back to Delhi and the his army never reached even khotan or sinking
I am not saying we should fight the chiense but he had bigger balls than mudijee as far Chinese are concerned

If Mudijee sends army across and only few hundred men returns, that would pretty much be curtains for BJP for few decades.
People who think we have any chance of winning against Chinese in their territory need to be publicly beaten with chappals.

 

[Love Charger]

If Mudijee sends army across and only few hundred men returns, that would pretty much be curtains for BJP for few decades.
People who think we have any chance of winning against Chinese in their territory need to be publicly beaten with chappals.

I never said that mount a invasion on China for its retarded for us to attempt that , there is a reason tughlaq was also called as mad sultan

 

[BabaKhalbali]

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

I wish Muhammad bin tuglaq became sultan e hind , he mounted a invasion of China, although its another thing that only few hundred men returned back to Delhi and the his army never reached even khotan or sinking
I am not saying we should fight the chiense but he had bigger balls than mudijee as far Chinese are concerned

Honestly taking actions will not work currently. Look our Army basically not in a good shape. We have lot of shortage from BPJ, Guns, Artillery, Tanks etc. Combined with IA chutiyappa of not ordering anything with a common sense.

Even to do some swift action and hold some territory you need proper Equipment's which is honestly lacking.

First equip our troops with proper gadgets and then only we can strike whenever necessary.

Till then it will be building up infra along of LAC to avoid further incursion.