India-China Border conflict

[Vinash]

I truly wonder if anyone in RAW, IB, NSAO, etc. are even factoring this in or whether the politicians sitting atop the pyramid taking their analysis. If laymen like us can analyze this, those people should have way more resources dedicated to come to this conclusion and prepare.

Don't know about RAW, IB etc but our Politicians apart from traitors in bed with Breaking India forces don't have a clue.

 

[ezsasa]

I truly wonder if anyone in RAW, IB, NSAO, etc. are even factoring this in or whether the politicians sitting atop the pyramid taking their analysis. If laymen like us can analyze this, those people should have way more resources dedicated to come to this conclusion and prepare.

They know everything, because they have access to more information than us.
But at some point a nation has to start acting in self-interest. can't sit on sidelines. So they make informed assumptions evaluating risks and outcomes, as things move forward.

They won't let people know, because we have seen many times how fickle minded population is.

 

[Tshering22]

They know everything, because they have access to more information than us.
But at some point a nation has to start acting in self-interest. can't sit on sidelines. So they make informed assumptions evaluating risks and outcomes, as things move forward.

They won't let people know, because we have seen many times how fickle minded population is.

Well, they are not acting on it.

China is going on making stuff and we are not even responding. They want us to respond in a certain way; but there are many other ways to respond as well.

1. Why is it that we are not selling BrahMos to Vietnam that has been asking us for 10 years?
2. Why are we not expanding ties with Taiwan?
3. Why are we continuing to show Tibet & Turkestan as their territories in our maps when they have gone back on every word?

These are just 3 steps that we need to take to start rattling them off and put the ball in their court. Once they strike first, we can attack back.

I can bet you Rs. 10K that we have 0 plans to enter Tibet even if by some magic we gained an upper edge. Mental disease of pacifism has weakened the Indian state.

 

[ezsasa]

Well, they are not acting on it.

China is going on making stuff and we are not even responding. They want us to respond in a certain way; but there are many other ways to respond as well.

1. Why is it that we are not selling BrahMos to Vietnam that has been asking us for 10 years?
2. Why are we not expanding ties with Taiwan?
3. Why are we continuing to show Tibet & Turkestan as their territories in our maps when they have gone back on every word?

These are just 3 steps that we need to take to start rattling them off and put the ball in their court. Once they strike first, we can attack back.

I can bet you Rs. 10K that we have 0 plans to enter Tibet even if by some magic we gained an upper edge. Mental disease of pacifism has weakened the Indian state.

India's assertiveness in international affairs is a very recent phenomenon, there is a lot of ground work still to done, may take a few decades provided we get successive govts willing to stay the course.

 

[Vinash]

Well, they are not acting on it.

China is going on making stuff and we are not even responding. They want us to respond in a certain way; but there are many other ways to respond as well.

1. Why is it that we are not selling BrahMos to Vietnam that has been asking us for 10 years?
2. Why are we not expanding ties with Taiwan?
3. Why are we continuing to show Tibet & Turkestan as their territories in our maps when they have gone back on every word?

These are just 3 steps that we need to take to start rattling them off and put the ball in their court. Once they strike first, we can attack back.

I can bet you Rs. 10K that we have 0 plans to enter Tibet even if by some magic we gained an upper edge. Mental disease of pacifism has weakened the Indian state.

Every question you asked has a single answer.

India isn't confident in it's capabilities and doesn't want to ruffle any feathers. This attitude is terminal at this point.

 

[Tshering22]

India's assertiveness in international affairs is a very recent phenomenon, there is a lot of ground work still to done, may take a few decades provided we get successive govts willing to stay the course.

Not when it comes to war. China is imposing a war and the 5 confrontations we have had with China before is the testimony that we don't take a war imposed lying down. In fact, a far weaker India has stood up harder against China, Pak and the then US-backing that the Pakistanis got.

 

[ezsasa]

Not when it comes to war. China is imposing a war and the 5 confrontations we have had with China before is the testimony that we don't take a war imposed lying down. In fact, a far weaker India has stood up harder against China, Pak and the then US-backing that the Pakistanis got.

Yes, when attacked choices become clear because of the constitutional backing to defend sovereignty against a foreign military.
but to go an on offensive, domestic and international politics become a hindrance.
and then there are grey areas, which both pak and china employ in their own way against us.

 

[Hari Sud]

Not when it comes to war. China is imposing a war and the 5 confrontations we have had with China before is the testimony that we don't take a war imposed lying down. In fact, a far weaker India has stood up harder against China, Pak and the then US-backing that the Pakistanis got.

‘Far weaker india…….. What do you mean?

If china was that strong then they would have taken all of Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh including Sikkim. The Chinese know that one defeat and all their prestige is in the dustbin. That defeat could happen because 1962 India is a bad memory. Now it is very strong India. Moreover Chinese equipped with copied and reverse engineered military hardware can posture but cannot fight.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Changes in Chinese Airbases since the standoff

 

[Brood Father]

There's been several rumblings that US has come to terms with a bipolar world.

India needs to be extremely alert. If they've come to terms with it, the target of US + China would be to stop a tripolar world.

I personally don't think US will take on China. Their deep state has been churning out anti-india propaganda for decades now. It's vastly easier for them to take advantage of India's faultlines and try to balkanize us than take China headon.

I doubt that .What benefit US would have to Balkanize India ..India is a market and US knows it . India already has a lot of Anti American sentiments as we still carry a lot of cold war and socialist baggage . Stupidity like this would make sure that US would be out of India market for another foreseeable future
Also if India fails china would be unstoppable and would ram the world order and then US can say goodbye to Pacific region .Australia and Japan would also be compromised . US in wildest dream wouldn't want that

Remember US doesn't fear china as a state but as an ideology . They would never want a communist ideology knocking at their door

US needs India more than India needs US

if things go south we have a plan B , .Compromise on our border areas , make peace with china.. Well US doesn't .The moment that happens US will be kicked out of Diego Garcia

Indo Pacific game would make the great game of Afghanistan like a walk in park and (un)/fortunately we are in the center of it

 

[Brood Father]

exactly, they are co-ordinating and co-operating with each other.

It's been two years of open chinese threats, and not one confrontation between PLA and american forces on high seas. muricans are always itching to pick a fight with their real threats.

Infact there has been no confrontation by china with any other power except for India.

chinese planes in Taiwan ADIZ means nothing, that's arbitrary zone declared by taiwan, has no international law protection.

US won't go to war china .It has far too many interest with china .
But US is also scared of china so it wants "allies" to take care of china while they sit and relax and decide the pronouns of the babies
AUKUS , QUAD are the manifestation of that struggle. US wants china to get distracted by picking up conflict against India , Japan , Australia so that US can consolidate on Europe .

Unfortunately they are a decade behind with this plan.

 

[HawkisRight]

Work on ‘Chinese military base’ in UAE abandoned after US intervenes – report

Work on ‘Chinese military base’ in UAE abandoned after US intervenes – report

Satellite images reportedly detected construction of secret facility at Khalifa port amid growing US-China rivalry

www.theguardian.com

Emiratis saying they didn't know chinks r building base on their land...now is this case of classic "arab incompetence" Or emiratis needling sleepy joe for his initial refusal to sell toys(f35, drones) to emiratis cuz of muh hooman rights

 

[Sehwag231]

Anybody else following Pengshuai incident ? It has taken Twitter World by storm.

 

[Love Charger]

Anybody else following Pengshuai incident ? It has taken Twitter World by storm.

I don't care about sports

 

[Mikel]

Anybody else following Pengshuai incident ? It has taken Twitter World by storm.

I sometimes find it mindboggling just how stupidly bad the Chinese are at covering things up

 

[Sehwag231]

I don't care about sports

There is talk about boycotting Beijing Olympics if she isn't found safe.

 

[JBH22]

Same thing happened with Japan. Joint CCP-Russian naval flotilla.

Looks like Putin is firmly in CCP hands.

Lets not forget the fact that Russians tried to downplay CCP mobilization at the start of the border issue.

Russians are smarter than that. They know China will pounce on them at any moment.
With NATO expanding on its western frontier, Putin knows it is a matter before he will have to face the music.
Having said that Putin made it clear next war will not be fought on Russian soil. He was born in leningrad present day St Petersburg a city ravaged by Nazis during a long siege. So his belief system is backed by some personal experience.
They are friends and enemies with everybody Smart chess players

 

[Concard]

Russians are smarter than that. They know China will pounce on them at any moment.
With NATO expanding on its western frontier, Putin knows it is a matter before he will have to face the music.
Having said that Putin made it clear next war will not be fought on Russian soil. He was born in leningrad present day St Petersburg a city ravaged by Nazis during a long siege. So his belief system is backed by some personal experience.
They are friends and enemies with everybody Smart chess players

According to some message circulated by CCP 50 cent followers, Russia will be the last pawn for China to conquer. Basically they were pointing to some territories China lost to Russia long ago. For Chinese the entire world view is that they are master race and all others are barbarians. They have been wronged in the last 100 years now they can do whatever they want and the entire world should just sit back and bend over.

While this thread has been talking about everything related to military and geopolitics, what this thread misses is that Chinese demographics. You only fight a war when you have abundant young men in your country. The moment your country becomes a aging society where old people outnumber the young then any war will be a disaster. CCP and Xi knows that they can't reverse the current trend of Chinese having fewer children. The demographic collapse is imminent. If they plan to fight any war after 2025 they will have to take into account the worst case scenario of how many men they will lose.

Just ask Russia. WW2 was a death knell for Russia in terms of demographics. Even today 75 years after WW2 women outnumber men in Russia. Without favorable demographics going to war is suicidal in the long run. Whatever war Chinese have to fight for what ever reason, they have to do it before 2030. Their population pyramid is already inverted and it is only going to get worse from 2030 onwards.

 

[IndianHawk]

I truly wonder if anyone in RAW, IB, NSAO, etc. are even factoring this in or whether the politicians sitting atop the pyramid taking their analysis. If laymen like us can analyze this, those people should have way more resources dedicated to come to this conclusion and prepare.

We are throwing our weight with USA. No non alignment nonsense this time. Qaud in East , quad in west. All foundation agreement with America already done.

 

[JBH22]

According to some message circulated by CCP 50 cent followers, Russia will be the last pawn for China to conquer. Basically they were pointing to some territories China lost to Russia long ago. For Chinese the entire world view is that they are master race and all others are barbarians. They have been wronged in the last 100 years now they can do whatever they want and the entire world should just sit back and bend over.

100 years humiliation was not a figment of their imagination. it is true, only Indians (read Hindus) have this habit of jaane do chodo na, let past remain past.
Chinese have been fucked hard, it is cruel world which understand only brute force.
To feed them opium our villages were forbidden from growing wheat and this wreaked havoc for us. But we swept everything under the carpet. If the average Indian learn history, we would be rampaging other states also

While this thread has been talking about everything related to military and geopolitics, what this thread misses is that Chinese demographics. You only fight a war when you have abundant young men in your country. The moment your country becomes a aging society where old people outnumber the young then any war will be a disaster. CCP and Xi knows that they can't reverse the current trend of Chinese having fewer children. The demographic collapse is imminent. If they plan to fight any war after 2025 they will have to take into account the worst case scenario of how many men they will lose.

Depends if you robotise and mechanise army it can change your fortunes in war. May be even tilt casualty totally for your enemy. Depends on your skill set and your adversary inaptitude

Just ask Russia. WW2 was a death knell for Russia in terms of demographics. Even today 75 years after WW2 women outnumber men in Russia. Without favorable demographics going to war is suicidal in the long run. Whatever war Chinese have to fight for what ever reason, they have to do it before 2030. Their population pyramid is already inverted and it is only going to get worse from 2030 onwards.

The Bolshevik revolution and the death saga ensued by leftist revolutionary are responsible for RUssians demographic problem. In quest to create a utopian society, they made everyone miserable. Typical left bs