India-China Border conflict

[daya]

What is this shit about General don't want, officers don't want, babus don't want. I simply do not get it.
What prevents the gormint from pushing a policy down their throats.
What are they going to do? shoot the gormint folk?

What do folks on the forum keep blabbering about? "Do not want", "Do not want".

I'm sure that you will never get it. Someone who belongs to such institutions only can get it.

 

[Azaad]

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Here's Nixon ex President of the US expounding on China somewhere in the late 70s or early 80s . These guys were so fixated on both USSR / Russia ( manifesting itself 40 years later in the trap the west especially the US laid for Russia in the Ukraine ) & Japan ( they actually thought Japan would become all that they fear about China today ) that till recently they could never fathom the Frankenstein they'd created in China

 

[Azaad]

 

[Master Chief]

So.. upcoming high powered US lawmaker delegation visiting India and meeting up with Dalai lama.. and those reports of India reopening Tibet question by renaming Tibetan locations linked ?

 

[mokoman]

 

[DingDong]

pravin swahney's fantasy

The US military experimented with these contraptions a decade back, the experiment ended up in huge disappointment. These things are completely impractical in the real scenario.

 

[no smoking]

The US military experimented with these contraptions a decade back, the experiment ended up in huge disappointment. These things are completely impractical in the real scenario.

No, the experiments showed a huge potential usage of this kind of weapons in the battlefield. Certainly, they are still limited by the current technological level and costs, but everyone can see their bright future. That is also why Americans are investing huge amount of money on these projects and continuing the experiments:

Let Slip the Robot Dogs of War | WIRED

U.S. Marines Test Robot Dog Armed With A Rocket Launcher (forbes.com)

 

[Cheepek]

So no renaming of Tibetan areas?

 

[daya]

So no renaming of Tibetan areas?

Yes, you are right. No renaming will be there.

 

[ezsasa]

@Azaad

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

This isn’t to argue that India erred by adopting the strategy, but to point out the dichotomy inherent in a ‘security dilemma’

www.firstpost.com

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese are in the business of intimidation everywhere. Their military equipment inferior and business interest all over friendly and unfriendly countries, hence starting a war and fighting it, will hurt and their militarily and commercial interests damaged. Hence no war to be fought but intimidation with numbers. The latest being about 1000 stealth fighters to be built in next ten years. Same is true about their missiles, ships and aircraft’s. All inferior to fight a war but good to intimidate.

As soon as they see a weakness in Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, India etc., they will begin salami slicing as they tried in India and now trying in Philippines. Only recently their navy moved away from Philippines as they are afraid of Brahmos missiles.

 

[Azaad]

@Azaad

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

This isn’t to argue that India erred by adopting the strategy, but to point out the dichotomy inherent in a ‘security dilemma’

www.firstpost.com

The article's a year old but fully agree with its findings. What's now required is an adequate boost to IA's modernization & upgradation of its artillery , armour & infantry else it's a case of well begun is half done .

 

[ezsasa]

The article's a year old but fully agree with its findings. What's now required is an adequate boost to IA's modernization & upgradation of its artillery , armour & infantry else it's a case of well begun is half done .

what is the number range for this adequate boost?

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

This is based on then Kargil Commitee report. Against an Two front definitely the numbers will rise up. But first get at least one MGS System on LSP.

 

[Azaad]

what is the number range for this adequate boost?

Long laundry list , just listing what comes top of the mind : beginning with the infantry - proper winter clothing & kits , BPJs , assault rifles , NVGs / TIs , etc Armour - Light Tanks , Artillery - TGS , MGS , Guided & Unguided Rockets with ranges between 30- 400 kms etc

Then there are TBM / SRBM , IRBM / MRBM apart from Army Aviation Corps being significantly enhanced for CAS , procurement of MRFA , speeding up procurement of LCA Mk-1a , faster upgradation of the entire fleet of MKI for IAF , enhanced ISR , Cybersecurity , the whole works , all of which we need in place by 2029-30 at the latest.

Not only do we need all these in huge numbers but we also need to set up mfg of these in huge numbers during war time for quick replenishment .

 

[mokoman]

@Azaad

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

Lessons from Galwan: India has been a victim of own success as its major infra push has spooked China

This isn’t to argue that India erred by adopting the strategy, but to point out the dichotomy inherent in a ‘security dilemma’

www.firstpost.com

challenging china by building that feeder road in galwan valley was big mistake , govt and that china study group had zero clue chinese will push back hard.

possible there will be another repeat of same in AP .

 

[mokoman]

So no renaming of Tibetan areas?

army renamed some places on some maps nobody will see .

not sure what is even point of such drama.

 

[Bigshot]

Guys is there any indian alternative to Google maps??

 

[ezsasa]

Long laundry list , just listing what comes top of the mind : beginning with the infantry - proper winter clothing & kits , BPJs , assault rifles , NVGs / TIs , etc Armour - Light Tanks , Artillery - TGS , MGS , Guided & Unguided Rockets with ranges between 30- 400 kms etc

Then there are TBM / SRBM , IRBM / MRBM apart from Army Aviation Corps being significantly enhanced for CAS , procurement of MRFA , speeding up procurement of LCA Mk-1a , faster upgradation of the entire fleet of MKI for IAF , enhanced ISR , Cybersecurity , the whole works , all of which we need in place by 2029-30 at the latest.

Not only do we need all these in huge numbers but we also need to set up mfg of these in huge numbers during war time for quick replenishment .

cutoff year for availability in 2029-30 is either 2023 or 24, whatever in pipeline by this cutoff year is what will be available for 2029-30. after the procurement, there is induction and training period as well. if it is a new equipment, forces will have to train to the level that the equipment becomes their second nature.

standard delivery schedule is 3-5 years for large equipment and orders.
for infantry, 6 lakh ak-203 on order, their delivery schedule is 10 years from 2023.

have expectations accordingly.

 

[ezsasa]

challenging china by building that feeder road in galwan valley was big mistake , govt and that china study group had zero clue chinese will push back hard.

possible there will be another repeat of same in AP .

i disagree with this view. it can't be the case that you start with the premise, it must be our fault to do things our way within our sovereign territory under our control.