India-China Border conflict

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China will not fight a full fledged or even limited war with India. They know this to be a fatal mistake. A full fledged or limited war between India or China only benefits one country: America. How so? India and China would be engaged in a slugfest of a war, and whoever comes out on top, both the countries will be damaged and set back 50 years.

Now now, the reason China will not engage in this misadventure is not because they have any care for our economic and global status, on the contrary, they actively want to weaken us. But they don’t want to suffer losses while doing so. Instead, the Chinese have come up with a master plan to take what they feel is their appropriate claim lines; salami slicing. AKA- they will infiltrate during the winter and start patrolling no man’s land, while simultaneously distracting us with talks, while they build up and then launch a local offensive under the guise of self Defence. This is what happened in Galwan in 2020. The way the PLA were equipped in the videos makes it clear they were prepping for a brawl. If y’all do not remember, in April and May of 2020, there were reports of Indian and Chinese patrols clashing, and the Chinese were accusing us of aggression, even though they are the ones committing it.

They enjoy a logistical advantage over us in Ladakh, so this will work there. In Arunachal, well, Doklam and the Tawang 2021 clashes were a clear Indian victory, and even the Chinese admit we got the better of Doklam in an article.

You know what is the problem in most of Chinas analysis. People assume that China is a rational actor. Or maybe, things that they do might be rational to them, but highly irrational to us.

Through my reading of many books (Including the Long Game) and articles (on ORF, on Baidu) , I have come to realise few fundamental points :

1) China doesn't sees India as an equal partner. And they like it that way. (Imo, most fundamental issue in the relationship)

2) China sees India through US prism. No matter what India does, (as has been done many times by now) - whether it creates distance with the US, closes in with US, balances or bandwagons. China calculates that it's technological and proximity might will allow it to overwhelm India alone but will get complicated if it gets alongwith the US. BUT they won't try to mitigate it or improve their own relations with India. Because that will be giving concessions and make obligations to India. They don't find India that worthy enough.

3) China wants to keeps its options open. And foremost among managing India, they like to cause trouble for India at borders. Because to them, that's a solid pressure point for India. So they won't in any way ever compromise on that issue. No matter what India becomes unless it favours them. They will like to continue trade (heavily in their favour of course) and will like India to forget about the borders. Due to some previous mistakes, the border problem overall favours China when we do negotiations. So Jaishankar tactic is to stonewall everything China offers because it's not going to equal anyway.

These are all irrational to our minds, but to China it's perfectly normal because to them India is not worth spending that much diplomatic capital on.

 

[mist_consecutive]

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/tibetan-troops-recruited-by-chinese-army-now-visible-in-patrols-across-lac-in-ladakh-arunachal20230627191458/

 

[mcpo117]

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/tibetan-troops-recruited-by-chinese-army-now-visible-in-patrols-across-lac-in-ladakh-arunachal20230627191458/

good. when shit hits the fan we know which way their barrels will be.

 

[AnantS]

good. when shit hits the fan we know which way their barrels will be.

depends on what degree they have resisted brainwashing... or have love for old life of tibet.

 

[mcpo117]

depends on what degree they have resisted brainwashing...

no brainwashing bro. bet your rear end their families are held hostage. not a good way to earn trust.

 

[jai jaganath]

depends on what degree they have resisted brainwashing... or have love for old life of tibet.

Why brainwashing
They are getting well payed for the service by PLA moreover they are getting the benefit like other PLA soldier (now don't scold me if they are treatedbadly bcoz I don't think so) overall life is better for them living there who will remember what their past was they might have got education benefits from that govt and that's enough for them to be loyal

 

[AnantS]

Why brainwashing
They are getting well payed for the service by PLA moreover they are getting the benefit like other PLA soldier (now don't scold me if they are treatedbadly bcoz I don't think so) overall life is better for them living there who will remember what their past was they might have got education benefits from that govt and that's enough for them to be loyal

if your near dear ones have been bamboozled by the CCP, no amount of plasticky life is going to make you gaga. Now its far fetched to think that it might have been happened in immediate family , but its not far fetched to think that it did happen with their grandparents.

 

[jai jaganath]

if your near dear ones have been bamboozled by the CCP, no amount of plasticky life is going to make you gaga. Now its far fetched to think that it might have been happened in immediate family , but its not far fetched to think that it did happen with their grandparents.

Not coming to complete denial but who cares if ur life is comfortable, better and have money in ur pocket

 

[AnantS]

Not coming to complete denial but who cares if ur life is comfortable, better and have money in ur pocket

I guess ...one with no spine....!?

 

[jai jaganath]

I guess ...one with no spine....!?

No ig most of them
I don't think everyone doesn't have spine

 

[AnantS]

No ig most of them
I don't think everyone doesn't have spine

lol the you dont know about human Traits.. esp about family honor.. .. especially among Asians... and among Asians ... especially among Mongolians.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Why brainwashing
They are getting well payed for the service by PLA moreover they are getting the benefit like other PLA soldier (now don't scold me if they are treatedbadly bcoz I don't think so) overall life is better for them living there who will remember what their past was they might have got education benefits from that govt and that's enough for them to be loyal

Ah yes, the A1 blackpiller of DFI strikes again !

If good pay & amenities were all it required to switch sides, then why not Kashmiri muslims side with us? It's always us vs. them, religion vs. non-believers, natives vs. foreigners, over and over again!

There was a video of the interaction of SFF (Tibetian refugee) soldiers with PLA Tibetian soldiers in Arunachal Pradesh on an LRP. SFF soldiers were shaming the Tibetians in PLA, and they were looking down in shame !

Edit:- Found the video

Look at the guy holding the banner hiding behind the flag when the SFF soldier start shaming him.

 

[Kumaoni]

Ah yes, the A1 blackpiller of DFI strikes again !

If good pay & amenities were all it required to switch sides, then why not Kashmiri muslims side with us? It's always us vs. them, religion vs. non-believers, natives vs. foreigners, over and over again!

There was a video of the interaction of SFF (Tibetian refugee) soldiers with PLA Tibetian soldiers in Arunachal Pradesh on an LRP. SFF soldiers were shaming the Tibetians in PLA, and they were looking down in shame !

Edit:- Found the video

Look at the guy holding the banner hiding behind the flag when the SFF soldier start shaming him.

Can’t wait for this dude to start claiming infia lost Kargil war and 1947-1948 and spewing paki propaganda

 

[Kumaoni]

Ah yes, the A1 blackpiller of DFI strikes again !

If good pay & amenities were all it required to switch sides, then why not Kashmiri muslims side with us? It's always us vs. them, religion vs. non-believers, natives vs. foreigners, over and over again!

There was a video of the interaction of SFF (Tibetian refugee) soldiers with PLA Tibetian soldiers in Arunachal Pradesh on an LRP. SFF soldiers were shaming the Tibetians in PLA, and they were looking down in shame !

Edit:- Found the video

Look at the guy holding the banner hiding behind the flag when the SFF soldier start shaming him.

Anyway the life of an average PLA soldier is slightly, only slightly better than that of IA soldier as they simply have more resources and give their army a freer hand than us

 

[samsaptaka]

"Our soldiers are better....",
But chinks are better equipped, not one IA gernail accepts there is a problem in the equipping of the normal jawan, no NODs, no optics, no plate carriers, no snipers, etc...
yet they think we are better. IA living in LaLa 70's land of human wave attacks.
Peacetime army to the core. They think sheer will power and fighting fortitude of brave soldiers who pay the price in blood will be enough to defeat chinks. It may result in victory in a battle or two, but for how long ? In a long war it is not enough.
Keep sabotaging domestic MIC, and sniffing import cocaine, and think we are better ....

 

[samsaptaka]

So, IA has started using this kind of (see attached screenshot from video) sandbag covers like US army.
Thats good to see, however why is the same not used in Kashmir at LoC ? Where we still see naked stone constructed sangars or bunkers or whatever they are called ?

 

[mist_consecutive]

So, IA has started using this kind of (see attached screenshot from video) sandbag covers like US army.
Thats good to see, however why is the same not used in Kashmir at LoC ? Where we still see naked stone constructed sangars or bunkers or whatever they are called ?

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A few things like this, and modular bunkers for e.g., are still in the testing/acceptance phase. They will trickle down to ground level slowly.

Also why simple sandbags are bad? They are universally available and easy to create?

 

[samsaptaka]

Also why simple sandbags are bad? They are universally available and easy to create?

More manpower reqd to stack them to create a defensive wall and takes more time I suppose.
Whereas these can be filled using a JCB quickly, also less gaps/holes in the wall to allow bullets through.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

So, IA has started using this kind of (see attached screenshot from video) sandbag covers like US army.
Thats good to see, however why is the same not used in Kashmir at LoC ? Where we still see naked stone constructed sangars or bunkers or whatever they are called ?

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Modular Gabion Boxes with Geotextile inside...US army uses Hesco Bastion.

 

[Blademaster]

More manpower reqd to stack them to create a defensive wall and takes more time I suppose.
Whereas these can be filled using a JCB quickly, also less gaps/holes in the wall to allow bullets through.

And easier to stack up higher than regular sandbags. With regular sandbags you need bracing support and internal support if you want to go above a certain height and without a pyramid structure.