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Another momentous day for Northeast. Government of Assam and Dimasa National Liberation Army signed a peace accord today for permanent peace. The DNLA has laid down arms expressing trust in the way PM @narendramodi Ji has established peace and ensured development in the region.

 

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*A Tambram & The Peking Soup.*​

(A Long Post)​

It was the summer of 1986, life in India was going as usual. Rajiv Gandhi had been the Prime minister for 2 years and Congress dominated the entire political scenario of the country on the account of the sympathy votes they garnered​
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after the death of Indira Gandhi in 1984. The economy had begun to grow at 5% after roughly 3 decades of stagnancy. The mood in the country was upbeat and the politicians in the Raisina corridor of Delhi were preparing for the next elections (mind you this was the time before the​
Bofors scandals broke out and scandalised the Rajiv Gandhi Government).​

On the morning of 2nd May, 1986 a phone rang in the Military Operations Directorate, in Army Headquarters New Delhi. It was no ordinary phone call, it was different. The call had directly come from the​
Director of Intelligence Bureau (IB) informing the Army Headquarters that Chinese had occupied Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh and were stocking up their positions and preparing for a War like which happened in 1962. The message was immediately conveyed to the then Chief of​
Army Staff General Krishnaswamy Sundarji .​

Now Sundarji was an unconventional Army Chief. A first generation Army officer, son of a Physics Professor and a Maths Teacher, he was a Tamil Brahmin (Tambram as they call today). He had joined the Army rather than MBBS just to prove​
his father that he was a brave man. In the Army, he had the reputation for being a startegic thinker and an intellectual.​

Without any delay, he sprung into action. The Chinese had occupied the Thiag La ridge in Arunachal Pradesh overlooking Tawang and were demanding Indian Army​
retreat from Arunachal Pradesh and the government handover Arunachal Pradesh to China which they claim was South Tibet.​

This was preposterous according to Sundarji. He immediately moved the 17th Mountain division to Arunachal Pradesh under Major General JM Singh and asked the 33 Corps to move to Arunachal Pradesh.​

For 4 months, the Indian and the Chinese troops looked eyeball to eyeball. The Govt in New Delhi was nervous. The Chinese were dead sure to call the Indian bluff as they knew that India didn't have roads to supply and sustain their troops for more than a year.​

The winter continued and politicians in New Delhi grew nervous. In the absence of any roads, the Indian Army was using mules to stock supply, which was unfeasible in the long run according to Major General JM Singh as the Chinese had superior all weather roads. Infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh had been neglected for a long time. The winter was over and the Chinese were preparing to teach India another lesson.​

Surprisingly Sundarji was completely quiet during those months refusing to give interviews. For 6 months, he had worked on a plan to mobilise troops and teach the Chinese a lesson. Audacious of him.​

The spring of 1987 arrived and the standoff was continuing. The atmosphere was tense. And Sundarji made the first move. Using the newly induced Mi-17 Russian helicopters along with older Mi-8s​
he airlifted 3 brigades (10,000 troops) overnight and outflanked the Chinese. Now Indian troops had an immense advantage sitting at the mountain tops within fortified positions looking down at the Chinese troops below.​

All day, using megaphones and laud speakers Indian Army soldiers would blast messages in Mandarin humiliating and demoralising the Chinese. The logistics and supply lines of Chinese were cutoff. In fact the situation became so bad that the PLA soldiers started committing suicide. The Chinese were incensed at this.​
The Indian Ambassador in Beijing was summoned and was abused by the Chinese Foreign Minister in the most unparliamentary language .​

Before the Chinese could react, Sundarji Struck again. He moved another Infantry division based in South India to Arunachal Pradesh and occupied the Namka Chu Valley.​

In 1962, Indian Army had been brutally defeated by the PLA there and they had occupied the Namka Chu valley which gave PLA towering altitude advantage over the Indian Army garrisons located in Arunachal Pradesh.​

Not only was the Namka Chu valley reconquered but the area was supplemented with Mi-35 attack helicopters and Bofor guns ... The Chinese were really terrified then. In a mere 14 days, they had lost the advantage they had gained over 25 years.​

All this happened without Rajiv Gandhi even getting a whiff of it. When the complexity of the situation was known, Rajiv Gandhi lost his cool. General Sundarji was summoned to PMO and when he was asked about the plans to deal with Chinese, he replied nonchalantly that the Army was ready to go on an offensive and occupy roughly 10,000 Sq Kms in Tibet ridge line and hold on to it and ultimately force the PLA to retreat to pre-1962 positions. As he said these words, there was silence in the room and Rajiv Gandhi was looking at him bewildered.​

What followed was a shameful assertion of Indian political establishment lacking a spine. Sundarji was reprimanded by the PM and was asked to move back, which he unwillingly did. His Military Operations Directorate staff remember that he told the PM and the Defence Minister that India was losing a golden chance and the country would pay for it in future. Ironically it turned out to be true in 2017.​

Rajiv Gandhi and Congress got brownie points and won praise from China apologists for dealing with the Chinese in a mature manner. Now 35 years later, the question is 'Was General Sundarji right'? Today, the answer is Yes. We as a country are paying price for short term Political Brownie Points .​

Now Sundarji was not limited to China only, he scared the shit out of General Zia in 1987 by conducting an excercise involving 500K troops on the Rajasthan border (Ex-Brasstacks). He was the first Indian Army Chief who openly argued that Pakistan should be prevented from becoming a nuclear state and was an advocate of conducting nuclear tests. In fact the 1998 Pokhran tests were based on the plans formulated by him in 1988.​

Ironically, the Chinese were impressed with a man of Sundarji's calibre and invited him for a visit in 1993 after his retirement. In Beijing , when the Marshal of PLA asked Sundarji what he would like to eat, with a poker face, the General replied, "I as an Indian would like to drink Peking Soup", which meant that he could manage​
and predict the Chinese easily, needless to say the PLA Marshal was left red-faced and could smile only in reply.​

Yet today, General Sundarji remains a controversial man, maligned by Congress affiliated media and journalists just because he stood up against the the then PM Rajiv Gandhi.​

what a tragedy ! This traitor rajiv gandhi was also responsible for turning nepal into a commie sickular nation and driving them into the arms of chinka.
What do the esteemed members here think would have been the outcome if The Giga Chad Gen. Sundarji had made this move with NaMo at the helm as PM ? Would MeA and IFS 'chinka experts' with gandhivaadi mindset advised the same withdrawal ? I somewhat do think so, and the outcome would have been the same.
Don't know when a leader of real calibre will head Bhaarath....
 
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what a tragedy ! This choot rajiv gandhi was also responsible for turning nepal into a commie sickular nation and driving them into the arms of chinka.
What do the esteemed members here think would have been the outcome if The Giga Chad Gen. Sundarji had made this move with NaMo at the helm as PM ? Would MeA and IFS 'chinka experts' choots advised the same withdrawal ? I somewhat do think so, and the outcome would have been the same.
Don't know when a leader of real calibre will head Bhaarath....
why even use slurs, avoid them.
now i can't respond to your post, even if i want to.
 

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why even use slurs, avoid them.
now i can't respond to your post, even if i want to.
True, but the very mention of these **** (here I go again) makes me use cuss words.
Anyway I've edited my post, you can respond without the guilt of engaging a bad mouthed guy :)
 

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True, but the very mention of these **** (here I go again) makes me use cuss words.
Anyway I've edited my post, you can respond without the guilt of engaging a bad mouthed guy :)
a version of sunderji's doctrine was implemented twice in three years, in past few years as a response, first at bhutan tri junction and next at ladakh. both times IFS babus did their legwork talking to other capitals of the world keeping them in the loop.

issue will not be when govt of the day is on board, it will come when govt is not on board. if the question is "has sunderji's doctrine been institutionalised?" my answer would be i don't think so.

even on sunderji's moves, we don't know the outcome what would have happened since it was stopped midway.
 

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Tibetan Youth Congress is organizing a march called "Tibet Matters March" for a month, with the participation of volunteers from various regional chapters in India and Nepal, to demand that the G20 leaders take action on the deteriorating human rights situation in Tibet


 

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They called brits barbarians
Well they are aren't they ? Nothing wrong in what the chinka say.
The britshits engineered massive famines and causes massive genocides in Bharath which is next only to the turkic genocide of hindus. Holocaust of jews is nothing compared to this
 

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Well they are aren't they ? Nothing wrong in what the chinka say.
The britshits engineered massive famines and causes massive genocides in Bharath which is next only to the turkic genocide of hindus. Holocaust of jews is nothing compared to this
Bengalis don't like North Indians very much? wonder why?
 

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Well they are aren't they ? Nothing wrong in what the chinka say.
The britshits engineered massive famines and causes massive genocides in Bharath which is next only to the turkic genocide of hindus. Holocaust of jews is nothing compared to this
They called everyone else as barbarians also.
Romans, indians, arabs, to japanese they refer to as wako or pirates wako I guess also means dogs.
Leave aside what brits did that was not my point here although I agree they were no less than barbarians, thing is chinka called every one other than them as barbarians
 

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Few Indian members here quickly go in a self-flagellating mode and don't hesitate to wish death upon its own fellow citizens.

One of the particular Indian DFI member here do sajda in front of Chinese DFI members ghadi ghadi on how lucky they are to be born in China and how he is unlucky to be born in India.

Regarding API dependency on China, this is what Indian govt said in 2022.

A plan is in process.

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Well let's hope it doesn't become like our defence procurement plan or DPP or whatever the shit it's called ! The saving grace is that here it's the pvt industry so the plan might be implemented quickly
 

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Well they are aren't they ? Nothing wrong in what the chinka say.
The britshits engineered massive famines and causes massive genocides in Bharath which is next only to the turkic genocide of hindus. Holocaust of jews is nothing compared to this
The cockroach munchers consider every non-Han race as "barbarians" similar to how back in the day when Indians had self-respect and not an inferiority complex, every foreign tribe was called a Mlecch.
Back in the day they used to call the Arab Caliphate boys also as Tajik, because for the civilized Bharatiya eye, sab mlecch ek the :troll:
 

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The cockroach munchers consider every non-Han race as "barbarians" similar to how back in the day when Indians had self-respect and not an inferiority complex, every foreign tribe was called a Mlecch.
Back in the day they used to call the Arab Caliphate boys also as Tajik, because for the civilized Bharatiya eye, sab mlecch ek the :troll:
Which is why I say that chinkas are right from their point of view.
But we in the other hand are so de racinated and brainwashed into believing that we are inferior and the 1st world whites are the supreme lords by our education system that we have clean forgotten abt the mleccha terminology that our chad purvajas used to employ and didn't for a moment hesitate in chopping off the head of the invaders
 

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Bengalis don't like North Indians very much? wonder why?
During the British Empire, The Bengali Hindus were the biggest menace for the British forces. Both political as well as militarily.

In order to curb their influence. The British partitioned the Bengal Presidency. Creating East Bengal with Muslim majority & West Bengal with non-Bengali majority. Making them a minority in both the states.

These are just insecurities of the intellectual class who fear being overshadowed by the majority.
 
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China has moved brigade-sized formations opposite the central sector (Himachal) and south Ladakh (Demchok). I see more dugouts being created on the Chinese-side of Pangong Tso, Shigatse, and Thoding.

Areas to look out for - Rutong, Shigatse, Thoding.
Rutong (Pangong Tso) barracks are overflowing with troops as of today. The summer campaign begins as usual for China.

Hope we are keeping an eye.
 

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There simply is no reason for us to make any deal like that with China.

In fact, they attack Taiwan, we will attack at the place of our choice to our benefit.
As example, POK.
No, better would be to reclaim Aksai chin and Kailash Mansarovar. Even west#ids will give tacit approval on that.
It will also physically disconnect pak and China. And China can't convince Paki to attack us as west has porky generals held by balls.
 
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