India-China Border conflict

[Joydeepghosh1976]

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It https://rbt-defense.blogspot.com/20...me.html?sc=1680183634964#c4111246384147936965

 

[Joydeepghosh1976]

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It https://rbt-defense.blogspot.com/20...me.html?sc=1680183634964#c4111246384147936965

 

[mcpo117]

Neither Nepalese, nor Bhutanese northerns were very conducive to Indian influence versus Chinese.

If GoI wants, even now the Southern half of each country will happily secede to India. Tomorrow.

southern Nepal is pretty desi from all aspects.

 

[mokoman]

Anybody seen this?

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guy contacted me on twitter . said he works for news agency , asked me if i can write article for them . also asked for info on india-china lac. very sus.

this only after i posted some pics of indian tanks and a date .

CCP has a very large network if they can reach even a nobody like me.

 

[mist_consecutive]

guy contacted me on twitter . said he works for news agency , asked me if i can write article for them . also asked for info on india-china lac. very sus.

this only after i posted some pics of indian tanks and a date .

CCP has a very large network if they can reach even a nobody like me.

Oh shut up @mokoman tell us the truth, you took the money ain't you ? Also free complimentary kpop models.

 

[mokoman]

Oh shut up @mokoman tell us the truth, you took the money ain't you ? Also free complimentary kpop models.

obviously , . u dont know what rent is like in beijing

 

[Love Charger]

Move to nanjing then , I have heard it's very good place

obviously , . u dont know what rent is like in beijing

 

[armortec]

Chinese article on the Bhutan issue (google translation below). Of course CCP can do no wrong and it should be perfectly okay for India to allow to have PLA to have a clear line of sight to Siliguri. Likewise I'm sure China would be perfectly happy for Taiwan to be armed with nukes too.

中国边界谈判取得重大进展？_风闻

They also note the talk of Genral Manoj Pande a few days back on China - linking the border dispute to the US-China cold war.


GOOGLE TRANSLATED ARTICLE:

Chinese border negotiations have made significant progress?
Make up a knife

Bhutan Prime Minister Lota Zelinyuan's statement in Brussels, a stones in India, stirred up a layer of waves in India.

After one or two rounds of negotiations, China and Bhutan may solve the border problems?

The main Indian media were shocked by the signal released by Ce Lin. They did not want to believe it first. After returning to God, they might be ashamed of "losing Bhutan" in New Delhi, and they slandered China's "coercion" Bhutan to concessions, and it was speculating that Bhutan might be "funeral" ...

Prime Minister Ce Lin also said that the media on the media's "breaking" of infrastructure such as Bhutan's territorial construction road was false, and he denied the so -called Chinese "infringement" of Bhutan's territory.

This public statement can be said to be a hard -working face:

Which "media" spread a lot of such rumors? Prime Minister Bhutan was not clear, but many Indian media had involuntarily seated their own signs.

Of course, Prime Minister Bhutan also mixed with errors about border disputes, especially in the Donglang region.

But even so, the main media in India still does not "appreciate".

1

After another two rounds of negotiations, Bhutan and China "may delineate the boundary line."

This statement of Ce Lin obviously surprised many Indian media.

The Prime Minister Bhutan has just visited Europe for several days. Judging from the amount of reporting, his journey did not cause too much "interest" in Indian media.

But it is interesting that during the period of Callen's interview article by Belgium's freedom, Callen immediately detonated Indian public opinion:

The reason is that Ce Lin Kaicheng talked about negotiation with the Chinese border.

Ce Lin's meaning has been expressed quite clearly, but the "Hindu" reporter was unwilling to believe in the report on the 29th that the "hint" of Prime Minister Bhutan's statement may soon reach a boundary issue with Beijing with Beijing. solution.

But how can I still use "hint", Ce Lin has made it clear.

There are no "serious border issues" in Bhutan and China. He further explained in the interview that "but" but some territories have not yet completed the boundary ", so" have to negotiate and draw a boundary line. "

The statement of Prime Minister Bhutan, such as China ’s statement about the border issues of the two countries, can be said to be“ seamless docking ”:

In 2004, the "Treaty Treaty Treaty of the People's Republic of China" edited by the Treaty of the Treaty of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs —— The Zhongfu Border has never been officially determined by the treaty or agreement, but there is a tradition between the two countries. The habit line is basically stable in border areas.

In other words, the problem of medium and non -border is not complicated is the consensus between the two countries.

But the solution of the problem is very slow. The border negotiations between the two countries have been held in Ting Bu, the capital of Bhutan in 1984, and have been held in Tingbu, the capital of Bhutan, and have so far more than 20 rounds. If you consider the first four rounds of negotiations, you have reached guiding opinions on the disputed territory, and the negotiations between the two parties are so difficult to follow up so much.

Why is a problem that looks complicated?

New Delhi's intervention and destruction is a well -known reason.

Data show that both parties have not had no chance to reach some operable solutions in the past. In the 11th round of border negotiations in 1996, China proposed that more than 490 square kilometers in the northern part of the disputed area of the two countries returned to Bhutan, and more than 260 square kilometers in the west to China.

Scholars who understand the situation say that the Bhutan government has a positive attitude towards this.

However, because it is recommended to be placed in the western disputed area and India Sikkim State as the boundary, it is also interfered and controlled by Based on the unequal "Permanent Peace and Friendship Treaty" based on the unequal "Permanent Peace and Friendship Treaty" in New Delhi. Tingbu later later I have to show "cautious" to this proposal, and the relevant solutions have not been able to go to reality.

This is one of the typical examples of India's obstruction that does not solve border problems.

Two months ago, from January 10th to 13th, the 11th meeting of the expert group of the two countries was just held in Kunming, Yunnan. In fact, in October 2021, the memorandum of understanding of the "three -step" roadmap on accelerating the border negotiations was signed as a iconic node. The negotiations of the medium and non -border issues were "injected into the new motivation" and the process of negotiations was significantly accelerated.

However, "Indian factor" is still a lingering destructive factor.

Even in recent days, the latest statement of Prime Minister Bhutan has been reported, and many Indian media have continued the set of rhetoric for many years. Invading Bhutan's territory. "

However, Prime Minister Ce Lin also had a clear response to similar statements.

He said that there are many news that "China builds facilities in Bhutan's territory" in the media, but those facilities are "not in Bhutan." Bhutan has clearly clarified that the so -called Chinese "invasion" of Bhutan is purely virtual.

It has been seen that Prime Minister Bhutan made such a statement. The main Indian media also kept drumming similar to false news. I have to say that this "big fearless spirit" that actively puts her face up to fan is really admirable.

2

The statement about the Donglang area is another point for Celem's interviews to particularly stimulate Indian public opinion.

Donglang "is an intersection of China, India and Bhutan." The Prime Minister said in an interview that he could not expect Bhutan to "solve this problem alone", "We have three parties."

First of all, it must be pointed out that the "three parties" claims of Calin are not in line with the facts.

This place in Donglang, many people are familiar with the confrontation incident of Zhongyin Donglang in 2017. It is adjacent to Sikkim, India, and connects to the Kingdom of Bhutan in the south. There is no doubt that this area belongs to China and has always been effectively under the jurisdiction of China.

Although the specific boundary is not determined, there are no differences between the two parties in Donglang.

As for the saying "India is also the Danglang controversial party", China has also carried out rigorous refutation and detailed explanations based on historical facts:

According to the 1890 "The Treaty of the Sino -British Conference", the Donglang area is undoubtedly a Chinese territory. After India's independence, this historical contract was inherited. The Indian government has also confirmed many times in writing, admitting that the two parties have no objection to the direction of the Skin section boundary line. "Even in 1962, it was nothing to do with this boundary."

The Donglang area is neither India nor Bhutan, but China. This is not clear.

So why did Prime Minister Bhutan suddenly mention this "three parties"?

A South Asian problem scholar speculated that it was likely that Tingbu recently felt a certain pressure from India.

In 2007, Bhutan revised the "friendly treaty" with India and wiped out the clause of "Bhutan Foreign Diplomacy to receive India's guidance". At the time, some comments believed that Bhutan would obtain a considerable degree of diplomatic independence. But now, in various fields such as military, internal affairs, and economy, Bhutan, which is deeply influenced by New Delhi and even controlled by New Delhi, is still difficult to get rid of the "Indian shadow" for a while.

Prime Minister Bhutan claims that China -India is a three -party resolution of Donglang's disputes.

However, it is embarrassing that Indian public opinion is not "appreciated", but instead accuses Ce Lin saying that "it has given China an equal speech."

Donglang belongs to China and has been under the actual control of the Chinese side, but the Indian side first provoked the dispute, and now the opportunity to speak by China is not given? Compared with the historical circles of the Si Jinzi, the pretty and lust of Indian public opinion has intensified it.

Some Indian media that are still illegal in 2017 but have not accounted for a little cheaper. In the past two days, various hysteria:

After a while, it is accused Bhutan that "adopting a more pragmatic way" on the question of the cave will make India pay the price and endanger the safety of the Sili Guli Corridor in the northeast of India. China reaching a border agreement is "cutting territory" ...

Unwilling to see that the two countries have solved the border issues or even move towards the establishment of diplomatic relations, they are unwilling to "lose Bhutan", but it is difficult to stop the mighty trend. The Indian media is really helpless and anxious visible to the naked eye.

Just as Prime Minister Bhutan's statement was fermented in India, on the 27th, the Indian Army Chief of Staff Manoje Pande "warned" when delivered a speech at a university in India:

With the deterioration of Sino -US relations, the tension between the Sino -Indian border may evolve into a greater conflict.

What does this mean? It is clear that he wants to continue to take China by the upgrade of the Sino -US game.

The scholars mentioned earlier pointed out that India's consistent practice in the border issues over the years is to hardly describe non -controversial areas as controversial areas, and to hardly say non -gray areas as gray areas. There is an out of nothing to cause a card to take advantage of the territory or forcing China to make concessions on other issues.

Can it succeed? Six years ago, the Donglang confrontation incident had given the answer.

At present, Indian officials have not responded to Prime Minister Bhutan. However, some Indian media said that New Delhi will pay close attention to where the border lines of the two countries, especially the Donglang region.

But in fact, it only has the "attention".

Because the so -called Donglang problem really has nothing to do with India.

 

[skunk works]

obviously , . u dont know what rent is like in beijing

Article? For newspaper/ magazine? Sounds like 'The Spy who came in from the cold' vibes.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Anybody seen this?

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Classic chinese influence op. They are experts in co-opting academics and journalists. They have lots of western journalists on their payroll as well. In India I can think of The Hindu and Admiral General Pravin Sawhney.

 

[Tshering22]

Chinese have enough resources for giving birth to another insurgency if they don't want to come in the terrain to fight
The question is whether Bhutanese will support the insurgency just like in NE and JK

There is a huge difference between the Bhutanese and us. We are Indian because we chose to be Indian. We liked what we saw which our king didn't. But in the case of the latest statements made by Bhutan, it has more to do with escapism. Also, Bhutan has been given a lot of freehand by India. They are free for all practical purposes but they can be influenced as their exposure is limited and cannot understand things like a debt trap.

Bhutanese are simple people but being monarchical (even with a constitutional one right now), they are quite rigid. The earlier generations were more concerned about their way of life (common Buddhism); today's generation travels more, aspires to more material things (not wrong) and is willing to compromise for it.

This would mean our influence would be limited to our chequebook. And if we can't do it that way, then we have to seal off the border and wish them luck in their marriage with CCP (Bhutan's border is defined with us so China's opinion doesn't count here - we can seal it).

Annexing is also an option BUT I can bet you half my SIP investments that no Indian democratic government dares to do it.

Yes. Bhutan is not Sikkim. Sikkim although ruled by a Sikkimese Buddhist monarch, is a Nepali Hindu majority state. Hence they have natural affinity for India. If you have met any Indian Nepalis from Darjeeling or other north-eastern parts of India you will know that they are some of the most chad deshbhakts.

Also, average Bhutanese never had that much influence of Indian culture due to them being really closed society. It got its first TV in 1999.

Thanks for batting for us.

 

[Tshering22]

Anybody seen this?

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How difficult is it for the Intelligence Bureau to take some of these academics and journalists to a few black sites and have a chai-biscuit with them?

Like seriously, if I had Amit Shah's powers, the first thing I would do is take some of these academics out of public visibility using IB.

 

[sameer3694]

Any kind of annexation of Bhutan that some hawks are promoting here would be a disastrously bad idea. If there was ever a time for that, it was in the first few decades after independence. If done today there are chances that we would become a global pariah, not to mention the threats of sanctions. On top of all this CCP would probably pour in a lot of money to fund insurgencies and there's no guarantee we would even be able to keep it. Absolute no go.

Best way to handle this IMO is to remind Bhutan that its economic future lies with India. China's large trading population centers are more than 5000km away in south eastern China and Tibet is largely uninhabited. Bhutan doesn't make/manufacture anything of special value that necessitates transport that far. Any trade value they'll get from China is very limited. It's largely an agrarian and tourist economy(again funded by Indian tourists).

Their exports to third countries pass tax free through India. Their closest seaport through which they can export their goods is in India. Per latest statistics a staggering 93% of their exports(worth $500M) go to India. They need to be reminded that their biggest market lies to the south not to the North. All of this needs to be made very clear to them through some kind of psyops operations, brainwashing, and funding anti-china think tanks. If they still refuse to take our interests into account, we'll start tightening the screws.

Think like Chanakya, not like Putin.

 

[skunk works]

Any kind of annexation of Bhutan that some hawks are promoting here would be a disastrously bad idea. If there was ever a time for that, it was in the first few decades after independence. If done today there are chances that we would become a global pariah, not to mention the threats of sanctions. On top of all this CCP would probably pour in a lot of money to fund insurgencies and there's no guarantee we would even be able to keep it. Absolute no go.

Best way to handle this IMO is to remind Bhutan that its economic future lies with India. China's large trading population centers are more than 5000km away in south eastern China and Tibet is largely uninhabited. Bhutan doesn't make/manufacture anything of special value that necessitates transport that far. Any trade value they'll get from China is very limited. It's largely an agrarian and tourist economy(again funded by Indian tourists).

Their exports to third countries pass tax free through India. Their closest seaport through which they can export their goods is in India. Per latest statistics a staggering 93% of their exports(worth $500M) go to India. They need to be reminded that their biggest market lies to the south not to the North. All of this needs to be made very clear to them through some kind of psyops operations, brainwashing, and funding anti-china think tanks. If they still refuse to take our interests into account, we'll start tightening the screws.

Think like Chanakya, not like Putin.

Don't worry, not happening with our meme air force.

 

[Indrajit]

Not sure if this has been posted.

 

[Shuturmurg]

 

[Vinash]

Why are some Indians attacking Bhutan lol?

China is squatting on our territory since 1962 and what has our Military/Political elite done to fix the situation?

When Indian itself can't do shit against China's illegal occupation, why would you expect tiny Bhutan to stand up to China?

 

[Blank]

Why are some Indians attacking Bhutan lol?

China is squatting on our territory since 1962 and what has our Military/Political elite done to fix the situation?

When Indian itself can't do shit against China's illegal occupation, why would you expect tiny Bhutan to stand up to China?

By that logic, we shouldn't do anything and let China have it's way. Heck, forget being a vishwaguru supapowa and just say "tofa qubul karo" as we offer our ass.

The thing is - we do resist China when we can. In 1967, snow leopard or in foreign countries - Nepal, Sri Lanka etc. China squatting on our illegal territories doesn't mean we don't have any means to go against them. But a tiny country going to Chinas side can have a domino effect on other countries.

It might not look like much but a similar analogy maybe like how countries that recognise Taiwan are getting less and less. Until, there will be none. Similarly, something like that is going in the sub-continent. Until, India will be isolated, marginalised in its own backyard.

 

[Vinash]

By that logic, we shouldn't do anything and let China have it's way. Heck, forget being a vishwaguru supapowa and just say "tofa qubul karo" as we offer our ass.

The thing is - we do resist China when we can. In 1967, snow leopard or in foreign countries - Nepal, Sri Lanka etc. China squatting on our illegal territories doesn't mean we don't have any means to go against them. But a tiny country going to Chinas side can have a domino effect on other countries.

It might not look like much but a similar analogy maybe like how countries that recognise Taiwan are getting less and less. Until, there will be none. Similarly, something like that is going in the sub-continent. Until, India will be isolated, marginalised in its own backyard.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything. I'm saying it's dumb to verbally attack Bhutan.

A very famous saying in Nepal - "Nepal is stuck between 2 dogs, 1 dog bites (China) while the other dog barks (India).

India should stop barking and get ready to Bite if it thinks China's antics are too much.

Verbally attacking Bhutan won't solve anything.

 

[Tshering22]

Any kind of annexation of Bhutan that some hawks are promoting here would be a disastrously bad idea. If there was ever a time for that, it was in the first few decades after independence. If done today there are chances that we would become a global pariah, not to mention the threats of sanctions. On top of all this CCP would probably pour in a lot of money to fund insurgencies and there's no guarantee we would even be able to keep it. Absolute no go.

Best way to handle this IMO is to remind Bhutan that its economic future lies with India. China's large trading population centers are more than 5000km away in south eastern China and Tibet is largely uninhabited. Bhutan doesn't make/manufacture anything of special value that necessitates transport that far. Any trade value they'll get from China is very limited. It's largely an agrarian and tourist economy(again funded by Indian tourists).

Their exports to third countries pass tax free through India. Their closest seaport through which they can export their goods is in India. Per latest statistics a staggering 93% of their exports(worth $500M) go to India. They need to be reminded that their biggest market lies to the south not to the North. All of this needs to be made very clear to them through some kind of psyops operations, brainwashing, and funding anti-china think tanks. If they still refuse to take our interests into account, we'll start tightening the screws.

Think like Chanakya, not like Putin.

The same equation is with Nepal as well. Can't you see what wonders that is happening? They both know the reality. But these small countries have corrupt leaders who would look only for their benefit. Remember KP Oli going on a sex-fest with the Chinese consulate head there in Kathmandu? This Lotay Tshering may have also been paid off to pull off a diplomatic coup & give the power to the CCP.