India-China Border conflict

[Jimih]

interesting development

toh unko gussa aaya

 

[vidhwanshak]

Pre or post May 2020 clashes?

 

[Abbey]

 

[Sayman Ame]

For anyone eager to see what was at the end of that cliffhanger

 

[Sanglamorre]

Servicing hoga.
Chain, nut bolt tight hoga, lube daalenge, engine oil change hoga

 

[jai jaganath]

Jai Shankar ji pyar se samjhayenge

 

[Abbey]

Work Begins on Arunachal Bridge Near LAC That Will Cut Distance by 180 km for Army’s Heavy Vehicles - News18

The new 386-metre bridge will provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-Chinese border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh

www.news18.com

Govt Starts Work on Arunachal Bridge Near LAC That Will Cut Distance by 180 km for Army’s Heavy Vehicles

The existing ‘Gandhi Bridge' across Siang River near the proposed site at Yingkiong town in Arunachal Pradesh is India’s longest single lane steel cable bridge. But it imposes height and width restrictions for freight and transport. (Photo: Govt sources)
The new 386-metre bridge will provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-Chinese border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh

The government has started the process to build a two-lane bridge in Arunachal Pradesh close to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) bordering China that will shorten the distance by 180 km for Army’s heavy vehicles carrying defence equipment such as the howitzers.
The 386-metre-long bridge with new approach roads of almost 4.5 km will come up over the river Siang in the Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh within the next three years. The government has invited bids for the project worth Rs 199 crore on March 24.
“This road bridge is proposed in order to provide better connectivity to heavy vehicles commuting through Yingkiong-Tuting route and to provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-China border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh. The proposed bridge connecting Yingkiong to Tuting will shorten the distance from 330 km to 150 km for heavy vehicles,” a senior government official told News18.

There is an existing ‘Gandhi Bridge’ across Siang River near the proposed site at Yingkiong town which was inaugurated four years ago and is India’s longest single lane steel cable bridge. But this bridge imposes height and width restrictions for freight and transport due to an existing width and loading restricted bridge spanning across Siang River used for communications.

The load and width restrictions are considered a major limitation on this stretch of the road network for the passage of oversize freight and Defence force equipment. Hence, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) will build a new two-lane extra-dosed bridge across the Siang river. The project lies in extreme steep terrain.

The new bridge will also be a life line for local inhabitants of Yingkiong town and will connect the western region of Siang River to NH-513 which will be an alternative route to access the town.

 

[DumbPilot]

Work Begins on Arunachal Bridge Near LAC That Will Cut Distance by 180 km for Army’s Heavy Vehicles - News18

The new 386-metre bridge will provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-Chinese border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh

www.news18.com

Govt Starts Work on Arunachal Bridge Near LAC That Will Cut Distance by 180 km for Army’s Heavy Vehicles

The existing ‘Gandhi Bridge' across Siang River near the proposed site at Yingkiong town in Arunachal Pradesh is India’s longest single lane steel cable bridge. But it imposes height and width restrictions for freight and transport. (Photo: Govt sources)
The new 386-metre bridge will provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-Chinese border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh

The government has started the process to build a two-lane bridge in Arunachal Pradesh close to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) bordering China that will shorten the distance by 180 km for Army’s heavy vehicles carrying defence equipment such as the howitzers.
The 386-metre-long bridge with new approach roads of almost 4.5 km will come up over the river Siang in the Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh within the next three years. The government has invited bids for the project worth Rs 199 crore on March 24.
“This road bridge is proposed in order to provide better connectivity to heavy vehicles commuting through Yingkiong-Tuting route and to provide easy and quick access to army and paramilitary forces on the Indo-China border in Upper Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh. The proposed bridge connecting Yingkiong to Tuting will shorten the distance from 330 km to 150 km for heavy vehicles,” a senior government official told News18.

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There is an existing ‘Gandhi Bridge’ across Siang River near the proposed site at Yingkiong town which was inaugurated four years ago and is India’s longest single lane steel cable bridge. But this bridge imposes height and width restrictions for freight and transport due to an existing width and loading restricted bridge spanning across Siang River used for communications.

The load and width restrictions are considered a major limitation on this stretch of the road network for the passage of oversize freight and Defence force equipment. Hence, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) will build a new two-lane extra-dosed bridge across the Siang river. The project lies in extreme steep terrain.

The new bridge will also be a life line for local inhabitants of Yingkiong town and will connect the western region of Siang River to NH-513 which will be an alternative route to access the town.

Do you guys think that high-level meeting(COAS, NSA, IAF Chief,..) was the wake up call

 

[vidhwanshak]

these guys are bringing people from other parts of Tibet to settle in these ghost villages

 

[Sayman Ame]

Not sure if this has been discussed anywhere, but what China has done in the Middle East should be triggering alarms in Delhi. So far, it's managed to get the KSA-Iran relation normalized, made Iran beholden to China with the bait of $400 billion proposed investment over 25 years, Oil and Gas pipelines wil Russia, carry out exercises like Chink-Pak, Chink-Ayotuls-Ruskies, get hold of strategic bases in Karachi, Gwadar, Djibouti. Iran also seems to be wooing it to develop another part of Chahbar as well. We don't know what other surprises it might pull off. Iraq is our top oil supplier too, so if any news about China-Iraq comes out, we definitely should get ready for a conflict.

All of this effectively is about having such a grip on the Middle East, that, should a war break out between China and India, we'd be left with whatever is in our strategic reserves, diplomatic "no"s and gyaan on how we should accede to China's terms. Sure, the UAE and the larger Middle East region may be showing good intent with us as of now, but if push comes to the shove, I doubt if any of these countries will be ready to supply us with oil, given the Chinese monetary heft that will play out. And Russia and Americas are too far off to be supplying us oil, not even that Russia can be counted on during such an event. Physical blockade of Mallaca too will yield us very little as China can counter it by forcing the Middle East not to supply us oil, even as they flank our Western seas and stop any oil supplies coming from the Gulf.

The most we can expect is US providing nominal intel and the EUroaches with their usual tokenism - "war bad" if they even find the nuts to say that out lout that is. None of this is to undermine India's strengths, but these are definitely issues that will play out despite it.



TL;DR : China securing the Middle East region is just sharpening it's blades for a duel with India. Whatever diplomatic benefits that come with it is just secondary gains.

 

[prasadr14]

Not sure if this has been discussed anywhere, but what China has done in the Middle East should be triggering alarms in Delhi. So far, it's managed to get the KSA-Iran relation normalized, made Iran beholden to China with the bait of $400 billion proposed investment over 25 years, Oil and Gas pipelines wil Russia, carry out exercises like Chink-Pak, Chink-Ayotuls-Ruskies, get hold of strategic bases in Karachi, Gwadar, Djibouti. Iran also seems to be wooing it to develop another part of Chahbar as well. We don't know what other surprises it might pull off. Iraq is our top oil supplier too, so if any news about China-Iraq comes out, we definitely should get ready for a conflict.

All of this effectively is about having such a grip on the Middle East, that, should a war break out between China and India, we'd be left with whatever is in our strategic reserves, diplomatic "no"s and gyaan on how we should accede to China's terms. Sure, the UAE and the larger Middle East region may be showing good intent with us as of now, but if push comes to the shove, I doubt if any of these countries will be ready to supply us with oil, given the Chinese monetary heft that will play out. And Russia and Americas are too far off to be supplying us oil, not even that Russia can be counted on during such an event. Physical blockade of Mallaca too will yield us very little as China can counter it by forcing the Middle East not to supply us oil, even as they flank our Western seas and stop any oil supplies coming from the Gulf.

The most we can expect is US providing nominal intel and the EUroaches with their usual tokenism - "war bad" if they even find the nuts to say that out lout that is. None of this is to undermine India's strengths, but these are definitely issues that will play out despite it.



TL;DR : China securing the Middle East region is just sharpening it's blades for a duel with India. Whatever diplomatic benefits that come with it is just secondary gains.

It is a dangerous situation for us for sure.

The consequences if what you posted would ever come pass would be pretty bad for middle east as well.
They can pretty much kiss any ships of theirs passing through Mallaca or anywhere near us.
These middle east countries would have let go of the only thing that is making India hesitate to take them on. Once they use the oil card to hit back at us, they can pretty much kiss whatever influence they have in our country goodbye.

China would be salivating at this prospect but it would help them little.
They still would be blockaded at Mallaca and they still would find it difficult to cross Himalayas.

Domestically, it would be a disaster for middle east countries.
India could use enemy property act to decimate every middle east countries influence in India.

We would come out bad in short and middle term but for middle east, it would prove to be fatal in middle and long term with India imposing heavy penalties for their ships crossing our seas.
China will gain ground in some areas in North east but that's pretty much the extent of their gains & will forever face a hostile force in Mallaca that will screw it in long term. Their only alternative is to have permanent bases west of India.

While all this is happening, I would be very surprised if the west would let of this chance to screw China and some countries in middle east.

People really underestimate how important Mallaca straits are economically for most asian and african countries.
India and with help of QUAD can basically neuter a lot of countries and even blackmail them to their knees.

What would be the point of producing oil, if you can't transport it.

lastly, coming to oil. India will find new partners. It will be expensive but we will get our oil.

 

[mokoman]

these guys are bringing people from other parts of Tibet to settle in these ghost villages
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15 km from asaphila , gonna be a clash there soon.

what indians and weibo osint walla thinks .

we cross our border line and put up some posts / tents . chinese been upset about it , seen posts on weibo

 

[vidhwanshak]

we cross our border line and put up some posts / tents . chinese been upset about it , seen posts on weibo

Share the posts.

This standoff is far from over. Settling people near LAC by the Chinese will only worsen the situation.

 

[Clairvoyance]

Not sure if this has been discussed anywhere, but what China has done in the Middle East should be triggering alarms in Delhi. So far, it's managed to get the KSA-Iran relation normalized, made Iran beholden to China with the bait of $400 billion proposed investment over 25 years, Oil and Gas pipelines wil Russia, carry out exercises like Chink-Pak, Chink-Ayotuls-Ruskies, get hold of strategic bases in Karachi, Gwadar, Djibouti. Iran also seems to be wooing it to develop another part of Chahbar as well. We don't know what other surprises it might pull off. Iraq is our top oil supplier too, so if any news about China-Iraq comes out, we definitely should get ready for a conflict.

All of this effectively is about having such a grip on the Middle East, that, should a war break out between China and India, we'd be left with whatever is in our strategic reserves, diplomatic "no"s and gyaan on how we should accede to China's terms. Sure, the UAE and the larger Middle East region may be showing good intent with us as of now, but if push comes to the shove, I doubt if any of these countries will be ready to supply us with oil, given the Chinese monetary heft that will play out. And Russia and Americas are too far off to be supplying us oil, not even that Russia can be counted on during such an event. Physical blockade of Mallaca too will yield us very little as China can counter it by forcing the Middle East not to supply us oil, even as they flank our Western seas and stop any oil supplies coming from the Gulf.

The most we can expect is US providing nominal intel and the EUroaches with their usual tokenism - "war bad" if they even find the nuts to say that out lout that is. None of this is to undermine India's strengths, but these are definitely issues that will play out despite it.



TL;DR : China securing the Middle East region is just sharpening it's blades for a duel with India. Whatever diplomatic benefits that come with it is just secondary gains.

I wouldn't worry about oil supplies from the Gulf. The Gulf countries have no incentive to stop oil exports to India. China has neither the naval capability nor ground presence to compel the Gulf countries to act against their interests.

India needs to make sure it stays that way and Pakistan cannot act as a conduit for an increased Chinese presence in the Arabian sea.

Pipelines from Iran, Central Asia, and Russia going to China is concerning though and limits China's fuel vulnerabilities.

Political instability in Iran and Central Asia would be very damaging to Chinese energy security. India can perhaps work with the US on a quid-pro-quo basis on this in exchange for cooperation on the matter of Pakistan.

 

[Blademaster]

Are there any potential massive oil reserves in the Indian Ocean, Bay of Bengal or Arabian Sea worth exploring where India can establish an oil industry and satisfy her consumption needs?

India needs to go on a thorium cycle and EV technology in a big way to achieve energy independence or we would be forever at the mercy of the Middle East and Russia for our oil needs.

 

[Jimih]

India needs to go on a thorium cycle and EV technology in a big way to achieve energy independence or we would be forever at the mercy of the Middle East and Russia for our oil needs.

Your concerns are valid

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Are there any potential massive oil reserves in the Indian Ocean, Bay of Bengal or Arabian Sea worth exploring where India can establish an oil industry and satisfy her consumption needs?

India needs to go on a thorium cycle and EV technology in a big way to achieve energy independence or we would be forever at the mercy of the Middle East and Russia for our oil needs.

I have heard so many claims of massive oil reserves in Andaman and Nicobar don't know how true

 

[Clairvoyance]

Is coal liquefaction an option for India to reduce dependence on the petro-states?

 

[mist_consecutive]

15 km from asaphila , gonna be a clash there soon.

what indians and weibo osint walla thinks .

we cross our border line and put up some posts / tents . chinese been upset about it , seen posts on weibo

Isn't that kind of a legacy thing? And China has not objected to it anyway. There is no direct access to Chinese towards that area.

 

[karn]

Is coal liquefaction an option for India to reduce dependence on the petro-states?

The only coal based liquid fuel under consideration is the production of di methyl ether as an additive/replacement of diesel . Ethanol is a better bet economics considered.