India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

Chinese opposition- Yes
International opposition- No

Merging process wouldn't have to be forceful, just deal has to be made with the King.

international opposition will be there , we cant even pass farm laws without talks of genocide . we need some legal basis .

local bhutanese would be against it too. gonna see PLA join in with bhutanese civilians against indian army .

maybe would have been possible in indira gandhi's time . now best we can do is apply pressure . like on nepal.

 

[Jimih]

international opposition will be there.

It seems that you are not even following current geopolitical games being played by Unkil Sam.

 

[Clairvoyance]

They will move against us in bhutan itself
There is no democratic thing going in bhutan as I far as I know. So what one will exploit?
And sikkim was a actual Protacrate, is bhutan a real protacrate? I don't know
They are depending on us but we don't have massive indian army presence in bhutan as far as I know.

Indian Army presence is in Bhutan and can be increased though. Worst comes to worst, India will have the initiative and should be successful in securing most of Bhutan before China can make its move. After that, whether a skirmish between India and China emerges or not is dependent on the same calculus as that of Ladakh and Arunachal.

The alternative in the worst case is Bhutan compromising India's security in the tri-junction.

The international response in the event of annexation will be muted. The US is friendly to India as a counterweight against China. Losing Bhutan will weaken India's effectiveness in that role. I doubt the US has a good outlook on Bhutan meekly ceding land and cozying up to China. Bhutan is an autocratic monarchy as well that committed human rights abuses. A democratic referendum in favor of India and a few newspaper articles of Bhutan's ethnic cleansings will be enough to ensure there will be muted criticism, if any.

 

[jai jaganath]

jai jinping

Sorry sir

I have only 1 line in my mind

Ek hi nara ek hi nam jai shree ram jai shree ram

 

[Shuturmurg]

Indian Army presence is in Bhutan and can be increased though. Worst comes to worst, India will have the initiative and should be successful in securing most of Bhutan before China can make its move. After that, whether a skirmish between India and China emerges or not is dependent on the same calculus as that of Ladakh and Arunachal.

The alternative in the worst case is Bhutan compromising India's security in the tri-junction.

The international response in the event of annexation will be muted. The US is friendly to India as a counterweight against China. Losing Bhutan will weaken India's effectiveness in that role. I doubt the US has a good outlook on Bhutan meekly ceding land and cozying up to China. Bhutan is an autocratic monarchy as well that committed human rights abuses. A democratic referendum in favor of India and a few newspaper articles of Bhutan's ethnic cleansings will be enough to ensure there will be muted criticism, if any.

India is not going to annex Bhutan. Bhutan is highly mountaneous, to hold it will be nightmare specially when China will fully support insurgency.

 

[Shuturmurg]

China is also doing influence campaigns in Nepal. They are running circles around us with influence ops.

 

[AnantS]

Chinese opposition- Yes
International opposition- No

Merging process wouldn't have to be forceful, just deal has to be made with the King.

China can pour more Bullions than us.. we can never just win on favors alone. First Paranoia about China needs to be built at ground level among people of Bhutan. Thereby limit Bhutan's ability to kowtow to China.

 

[jai jaganath]

India is not going to annex Bhutan. Bhutan is highly mountaneous, to hold it will be nightmare specially when China will fully support insurgency.

Chinese have enough resources for giving birth to another insurgency if they don't want to come in the terrain to fight
Question is whether Bhutanese will support the insurgency just like in NE and JK

 

[Shuturmurg]

Chinese have enough resources for giving birth to another insurgency if they don't want to come in the terrain to fight
Question is whether Bhutanese will support the insurgency just like in NE and JK

Yes. Bhutan is not Sikkim. Sikkim although ruled by a Sikkimese Buddhist monarch, is a Nepali Hindu majority state. Hence they have natural affinity for India. If you have met any Indian Nepalis from Darjeeling or other north-eastern parts of India you will know that they are some of the most chad deshbhakts.

Also, average Bhutanese never had that much influence of Indian culture due to them being really closed society. It got its first TV in 1999.

 

[Jimih]

Again the same useless assumption of "insurgency" and lungi-shivering in advance.

India has faced and is facing insurgency since Independence but did it stopped India and Indian govt to curb down insurgency to a lowest level as it is of now?

We still have our chances in Bhutan till there is a Monarchy.

If Monarchy is violently removed by China backed communists in Bhutan as they did in Nepal, than its all over for India.

Sikkim merged with India while there was still a Monarchy (Buddhist one) in place.

We lost our chance with Nepal during Nehru's era.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Again the same useless assumption of "insurgency" and lungi-shivering in advance.

India has faced and is facing insurgency since Independence but did it stopped India and Indian govt to curb down insurgency to a lowest level as it is of now?

We still have our chances in Bhutan till there is a Monarchy.

If Monarchy is violently removed by China backed communists in Bhutan as they did in Nepal, than its all over for India.

Sikkim merged with India while there was still a Monarchy (Buddhist one) in place.

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If monarchy supports joining India, then yes. But I highly doubt it.

 

[Blank]

We Indians do dhoti shivering at our own peril. When Myanmar had it's coup, everyone was expecting India to do a Bangladesh on them. The west was like, "why is India not doing anything? ", Myanmar themselves were like "god damn, why is India not invading and save us from Junta? ", the Army was like "thank god, India will not invade. " Chinese also were like "we should keep a close watch on India. "

And India was like, "if we invade Myanmar. China will attack us, insurgency will happen, west will sanction. "

Everyone else : *facepalm

Save thing is going to happen here. And we will be like we should have done something about it after the moment has passed

 

[Gyyan]

 

[Gyyan]

Don't know if it should belong here or not but the the level of co-operation is dangerous for us.

 

[AnantS]

Don't know if it should belong here or not but the the level of co-operation is dangerous for us.

all this points that China seriously started preparing for upcoming conflict with India long back. This conflict is priority number one for them.

 

[Jimih]

Don't know if it should belong here or not but the level of co-operation is dangerous for us.

Mulk rahega toh tabhi na yeh sab kaam aayega

Army- divided
Political parties- divided
Civilian population- divided
Judiciary- divided
Bureaucracy- divided
Police- divided

 

[Jimih]

Some sat maps would have been useful with respect to the US General's claim.

 

[mokoman]

Bhutanese dude responding . seems like Bhutan had no choice but to give up its land , Bhutan being the loser here while India loses nothing and China gains a lot .

remains to be seen what happens in 1 or 2 decades

 

[Jimih]

Bhutan being the loser here while India loses nothing and China gains a lot .

How India loses nothing?

Do you think that China will stop with this only?

 

[Sanglamorre]

Yes. Bhutan is not Sikkim. Sikkim although ruled by a Sikkimese Buddhist monarch, is a Nepali Hindu majority state. Hence they have natural affinity for India. If you have met any Indian Nepalis from Darjeeling or other north-eastern parts of India you will know that they are some of the most chad deshbhakts.

Also, average Bhutanese never had that much influence of Indian culture due to them being really closed society. It got its first TV in 1999.

I'd say you can crack Bhutan into two. North mountaneous Tribesmen Bhutanese are quite different from Southern "Plainsmen" Bhutanese who have large amount of Indian blood.