India-China Border conflict

[BhumiPutra627]

But guys doing you think. Russia is too isolated in the world to choose between India & China.

India will be holding 3rd position in terms of economy in few years. The Indian & Chinese market can keep Russia afloat in the face of European isolation.

Meddling & taking position in India-China conflict will only be detrimental to Russian interest. I think.

 

[Blademaster]

Our discussion was on Russia. Our discussion isn't on the US.

A lot of problems in the Indian subcontinent are caused by the US, but their solution is not found in Russia.

Nice deflection and shifting goal posts. And that doesn't mean that we abandon Russia just because US asked us to do so.

 

[Blademaster]

@Blademaster Chanakya in his treatise Arthshastra maintains the fact that friends are not eternal.

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Yes but he also says don't be stupid and throw away allies at the drop of a hat.

 

[Blademaster]

Umm no this is a misnomer. Russia under Yeltsin came under US/west influence immediately and again during that time we saw some hand wringing by russians. Things improved once under Putin, but as it happens in Geo Politics.. realignment happened. Russia knew about this current inevitable realignment, if west went on with their aim of poking Russian bear in the eye and and in encroaching its territory.

Have you forgotten what the US did 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Do not fall for such cheap tricks. We have invested a lot in the Indo-Russia relationship. Do not throw it away because US asked us to do so.

 

[jai jaganath]

Umm no this is a misnomer. Russia under Yeltsin came under US/west influence immediately and again during that time we saw some hand wringing by russians. Things improved once under Putin, but as it happens in Geo Politics.. realignment happened. Russia knew about this current inevitable realignment, if west went on with their aim of poking Russian bear in the eye and and in encroaching its territory.

Sooner we understand that our relationship will go through turbulence the better it would be
Options are to increase quad exercises
Not only developing but majorly inducting indigenous weapons and that too as soon as possible
Churn the amount of honey u can from west these are once in century situations

 

[Gyyan]

Nice deflection and shifting goal posts. And that doesn't mean that we abandon Russia just because US asked us to do so.

It isn't us who abandoned Russia but rather both are shifting away we can't help Russia in ways china does(we aren't anti west) and Russia won't choose us over China.
Times are changing bro Russian intrest align more with china and ours don't align as much as it did back in the days.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Have you forgotten what the US did 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Do not fall for such cheap tricks. We have invested a lot in the Indo-Russia relationship. Do not throw it away because US asked us to do so.

I don’t think India will only pick one side. I see india - Russian relations to endure a lot longer than Russian-Chinese relations.

 

[DumbPilot]

Who says we're throwing away Russians at the drop of a hat?

This is a hypothetical discussion. Russian behavior with the Chinese is detrimental to our self-interests. Going after Russia, ignoring the US means that we're clearly signaling that we want to be in the league of countries like Iran or North Korea. Why? Because the US and their allies control all there is to be achieved in the name of high-technology and a sound economy for our future.

What shit the Britishers did during the EIC was fucking nothing to what the US will ever do. And we still started great diplomatic ties with them. What does that tell you about pragmatism?

 

[AnantS]

Have you forgotten what the US did 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Do not fall for such cheap tricks. We have invested a lot in the Indo-Russia relationship. Do not throw it away because US asked us to do so.

Blade you are doing mistake of thinking that its either US or Russia. thats why in my original post on this topic I said:

India wont gallop towards US arms. India can only be forced by Russian actions or inactions thereafter. Simple!

 

[jai jaganath]

Have you forgotten what the US did 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Do not fall for such cheap tricks. We have invested a lot in the Indo-Russia relationship. Do not throw it away because US asked us to do so.

We could have been a non aligned nation but we can't as we aren't self independent especially in weapons and GoI along with armed forces have to look into the matter

 

[Blademaster]

It isn't us who abandoned Russia but rather both are shifting away we can't help Russia in ways china does(we aren't anti west) and Russia won't choose us over China.
Times are changing bro Russian intrest align more with china and ours don't align as much as it did back in the days.

Fine but let them make the move first so we don't get the blame and be the fall guy. You do not want the reputation of someone who is only there for you during the good times. Otherwise no one would want to ally with us.

 

[Blademaster]

Blade you are doing mistake of thinking that its either US or Russia. thats why in my original post on this topic I said
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India wont gallop towards US arms. India can only be forced by Russian actions or inactions thereafter. Simple!

And that is what I have been saying. Let the Russians make the move first. So far they haven't. THey improved their relations with China. Doesn't mean yet that they will forget about us.

 

[AnantS]

And that is what I have been saying. Let the Russians make the move first. So far they haven't. THey improved their relations with China. Doesn't mean yet that they will forget about us.

Lets wait and watch. My advice for fellow Indians.. stop being emotional in geopolitics. Because your counterparts are not.

 

[Blademaster]

Lets wait and watch. My advice for fellow Indians.. stop being emotional in geopolitics. Because your counterparts are not.

There are no emotions involved. Only hard cold rational thinking.

 

[jai jaganath]

Lets wait and watch. My advice for fellow Indians.. stop being emotional in geopolitics. Because your counterparts are not.

Exactly seem a lot of people being obliged to Russia
Neither they did any favors nor had any so called good intentions
All tech did was protected their interest and similarly we should

 

[AnantS]

There are no emotions involved. Only hard cold rational thinking.

hard cold rationale thinking does not involve nostalgia of last 50 years . My last thoughts on this discussion

 

[Blademaster]

Exactly seem a lot of people being obliged to Russia
Neither they did any favors nor had any so called good intentions
All tech did was protected their interest and similarly we should

It is not about being obliged. It is about keeping your word and showing you're reliable because it means giving them incentives to do business with you in the first place and not only that willing to do business with you even though you are down. You have to hedge your bets and see which of the card you have is stronger and reliable.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Russians are a very pragmatic people I am sure they realize China is only moving in because the Ukraine war. Russians are in a trapped position and Chinese are there to take full advantage of it. I don’t see Russians playing second fiddle to China for long.

 

[Clairvoyance]

Only because India did not come through for Russia when Russia asked India to. If India had been smarter and throw more resources in developing indigenous products and not be short sighted, it could have been in a better position to say no to US and stand with Russia and Russa wouldn't be forced to fall into the Chinese camp.

What do you mean by coming through for Russia? It was Russia that cancelled it's alliance with India in the 1990s, not India. Whatever India bought from Russia has been paid for. There is no charity here.

India and Russia were only aligned because of mutual fears of China. If the Russians are unable to act in that role, then a strategic alignment with Russia is pointless.

What the US has done to India in the past is not relevant because the strategic situation has changed now. The US is losing influence to China and wants allies. It's willing to offer a lot in that regard. Russia isn't and that difference is what matters.

The main threat India faces is China and the better partner for India is which country is also opposed to China.

There is no reason to privilege Russian interests when they no longer can be of use to India.

 

[AnantS]

Russians are a very pragmatic people I am sure they realize China is only moving in because the Ukraine war. Russians are in a trapped position and Chinese are there to take full advantage of it. I don’t see Russians playing second fiddle to China for long.

True, its just that Russians are going to realize once Chinese start changing demography in the east Russia