India-China Border conflict

[Arjun Mk1A]

Indian Navy MQ-9 Predator B is currently over the Indo-Tibetan border region over Uttrakhand.
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Meanwhile in Karnataka

See you soon my friend.

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Current situation actually favors TAPAS. Take one prototype and put it in trials along the Border for surveillance.

If you ready to use Nirbhay, LCH last time, definitely this guy can also be used.

 

[Naga4Peace2021]

Just curious. Maybe even silly. But why cant we send our soldiers into some of the disputed areas & tell the Chinese to F**k off & maybe beat the crap out of them & come back later for evening chai.
I'm just damn tired of their bullying tactics.

 

[scatterStorm]

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I welcome any Chinese to come over on this forum and have your way, the fact that these Chinese arm-chair generals consider US as there major enemy tells a lot! I mean they seriously have no Idea of the ass-whooping they will have if Just US alone decides one day ... Ok time to make the Chinese nervous.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Of all the unguarded and deserted places along LAC, China chooses to do gandmasti at a point that is the most heavily guarded and militarised along the whole LAC.

 

[scatterStorm]

There has been an uptick in fighter deployment at Shigatse.

Atleast 10 Su-27/J-11 are currently deployed there along with other unmanned assets.

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If positioned within 150-200 kms of an intruding prop driven UAV, which is the case for CH and Wing loong series, the best anti UAV assets are Rudra and Prachanda.

Infact , Prachand has a dedicated role of interception of UAV and Rudra was used in such a role after Feb 26, 2019 and also on 2020 in Eastern Ladakh.

We do require 100 drones or more to do SAR at 50 to 100 Km wide areas, this would mean that we would use less barb wiring, temp stone walls and actually place soldiers safely to choke points, heights etc., to tackle what's coming ahead. Real time surveillance is the need of the hour.

IAF will have to double down if one day Chinese decide to surprise raid us, although green pine would detect them, but give a few hundred KM distance, it will be of no use to intercept as they will fire standoff weapons and turn back.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Just curious. Maybe even silly. But why cant we send our soldiers into some of the disputed areas & tell the Chinese to F**k off & maybe beat the crap out of them & come back later for evening chai.
I'm just damn tired of their bullying tactics.

Welcome to the forum, please introduce yourself here !

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No never dude, you want him doxxed or what, then everyone will know about his whereabouts, better take it in personal chat or somewhere else but surely not here. I am not asking for address only photos of surrounding areas and the lodge itself. Besides it is a lodge meaning it is open to public.

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To your answer, we do it on a small scale, and these things are not reported in the media.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Of all the unguarded and deserted places along LAC, China chooses to do gandmasti at a point that is the most heavily guarded and militarised along the whole LAC.

what's that company-to-company deal of predator?
I read that article but didn't get the context.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Of all the unguarded and deserted places along LAC, China chooses to do gandmasti at a point that is the most heavily guarded and militarised along the whole LAC.

Chumi gyatse holy water falls is the reason. Hans keep on crying us holding the water falls and bully PLA every time they come closer. If they succeeded at taking 17000pt ridge then in few years they would be trying to salami slice and take the water falls.

 

[Jimih]

Of all the unguarded and deserted places along LAC, China chooses to do gandmasti at a point that is the most heavily guarded and militarised along the whole LAC.

Exactly!

Tawang is one of India's most heavily defended border regions. By unilaterally changing LAC in Ladakh, the Chinese thought they could change LAC in Tawang too. They forgot that they altered LAC in Ladakh by stealth and deceit.

Tawang is altogether a different ball game and they will be forced to retreat everytime.

 

[scatterStorm]

Galwan Valley Clash

Galwan Valley Clash

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How to Deal with a Problem?

• Devolution of comprehensive China strategy:Strong political direction, mature deliberation and coherence are keys to handling the situation.
  • The Army can make tactical adjustments and manoeuvres to deter the Chinese, but a comprehensive China strategy and its determination should devolve on those tasked with national security policy in the highest echelons of the Government of India.
• Strategic communication: The responsibility of effective strategic communication too rests with political leadership. It is important to perceive the signals of transgressions on a serious note and adopt adequate strategy with clear instructions for forces.
• Clarification on LAC:India should take the initiative to insist on a timely and early clarification of the LAC. Pockets of difference of alignment as perceived by each side have to be clearly identified and these areas demilitarised by both sides through joint agreement pending a settlement of the boundary.
  • Diplomatic channels must continue to be open and should not be fettered in any way because their smooth operability is vital in the current situation.
• Scaling down of military contact: India must stand resolute and firm in the defence of territory in all four sectors of the border. Contacts between the two militaries through joint exercises and exchanges of visits of senior Commanders should be scaled down for the foreseeable future.
• Counterbalance for the outside world:India’s leverage and balancing power within the Indo-Pacific and the world beyond stems from its strong democratic credentials, the dynamism of its economy, its leading role in multilateral institutions.
  • The strategic advantage of its maritime geography is an asset possessed by few nations, and which must be deployed much more effectively to counterbalance the Chinese ingress into this oceanic space that surrounds us.
• Reconsider RCEP engagement: The time has also come for India to reconsider its stand on joining the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership.
  • If India is to disengage from economic involvement with China, and build the capacities and capabilities it needs in manufacturing, and in supply chains networks closer home, it cannot be a prisoner of the short term.
  • It is time to boldly take the long view in this area as also on its South Asia policy.

Conclusion
The events in Galwan Valley should be a wake-up call to many of India’s Asian friends and partners enabling a high-resolution envisioning of Chinese aggressiveness. This is also an opportunity for India to align its interests much more strongly and unequivocally with the U.S. as a principal strategic partner and infuse more energy into its relations with Japan, Australia, and the ASEAN.

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What the IAS aspirants are reading about Galwan.

UPSC folks think that they can only do assertion and reasoning questions! I mean come on, come over here, we will have a healthy discussion to why going self-reliant is the only way to deter anybody, yes do agree that at global stage you have to be friendly, but then we are.

 

[mist_consecutive]

what's that company-to-company deal of predator?
I read that article but didn't get the context.

MQ-9s are not operated or owned by Navy, but leased and operated by General Atomics USA. We will tell them what to do and what mission to fly, and the General Atomics team will operate the UAV on our commands.

Its like hiring a private contractor to do our jobs.

Chumi gyatse holy water falls is the reason. Hans keep on crying us holding the water falls and bully PLA every time they come closer. If they succeeded at taking 17000pt ridge then in few years they would be trying to salami slice and take the water falls.

Yes, it has a strong significance for the Chinese, hence the incentive. But do they really think they can wrestle the area from us? How low on neuron count have to go to think they can overpower us in Tawang?

 

[scatterStorm]

HP Airbase project are still in the limbo right?
Hope this is a further wake up call for MOD, more bases on the LAC are needed.

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I think its inefficient to place air force bases too tightly, because most of the area ( a few hundred kms) will be covered in short time. What we require is another Division or two, because it will lessen the load on both fronts, east and west.

 

[vidhwanshak]

MQ-9s are not operated or owned by Navy, but leased and operated by General Atomics USA. We will tell them what to do and what mission to fly, and the General Atomics team will operate the UAV on our commands.

Its like hiring a private contractor to do our jobs.

Isn't that fishy?
11 ELINT does the same thing but only officers are allowed to see the pictures and here we are allowing the pvt US company to do the same thing which basically means giving access to the US about the situation

 

[dumdumdum]

 

[mist_consecutive]

11 ELINT does the same thing

Explain ?

Isn't that fishy?
11 ELINT does the same thing but only officers are allowed to see the pictures and here we are allowing the pvt US company to do the same thing which basically means giving access to the US about the situation

I see no problem with that. US Armed forces are anyway omnipotent on this planet at this point. They are tracking the situation regardless of their MQ-9 at LAC.

 

[scatterStorm]

Mig 29 and mirage did high altitude precision bombing on porki bunkers on Kargil heights which broke them apart. This is when IA and IAF realised they needed LCH. Stop blabbering with half knowledge

For which the precision was low, 10 to 15m CEP because GPS was blocked on us by yours's truly uncle sam.

 

[scatterStorm]

Chinese understand just one thing, "Balance of power" or "Show of strength".
As soon as the Chinese drag us into the border conflict along LAC, our combatant ship must stalk their merchant vessels passing through IOR.
Noticed Yuan Wang 5 is wandering without any escorts. Too far away from the Chinese mainland for aerial support.

We just did an AGNI 5 test, it was there to track it, but went soon, I guess IN is hounding it from a distance. Can anybody confirm?

 

[scatterStorm]

A MQ-9B is flying in Uttarakhand now. Keeping tabs on the other side.

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Looks like the entire LAC from Eastern Ladakh to AP is active and our forces aren't taking any chances. This time if Chinese PLA decides to intrude unnoticed in another sector and indulge in another round of salami slicing , they will be in for a ride surprise.

Why the Q9 has its transponders kept to beacon state? If Q9 is doing surveillance missions, then it should do it without beacon broadcast.