India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

Comeon mate everything is well preserved here in this thread for every one to see. (Your musings!)

And NO, Iam not offended by your comment.

i not saying 1 china = 10 indians or that they are better than us .

in your opinon who has upper hand at LAC now ? , i mean entire LAC . talking about salami slicing / standoffs not war.

Why IAF will Shoot their drones on their side?

That is not the SOP of IAF.

Drones works well in 'uncontested airspace' only.

what does this mean ?

 

[IndianSpiderman]

The Chinese are wary of how the Sela tunnel, once inaugurated, will change equations in India's favour in Tawang. China has spent way more on border infra than India, but that is being neutralized much too easily by us due to the border being closer to our population centers than theirs. It would be frustrating them no end.

 

[Jimih]

i not saying 1 china = 10 indians or that they are better than us .

in your opinon who has upper hand at LAC now ? , i mean entire LAC . talking about salami slicing / standoffs not war.

You have to understand that this 'LAC conflict' is not a product of post-2014 India.

Unless it (the borders) gets resolved, these skirmishes will go on.

We are well aware of what are the real intentions of engaging India on this front by China.

 

[ezsasa]

video with ass whooping removed is circulating , tells us how active their counter PR is , over a period of time attempts will be made to amplify this video and original video will get sidelined.

 

[Ayushraj]

video with ass whooping removed is circulating , tells us how active their counter PR is , over a period of time attempts will be made to amplify this video and original video will get sidelined.

During 1962 war twang was the sector where indian army was badly defeated. Chinese army almost destroyed most of the regiments stationed their.
Most of casualties faced by india army was from twang sector in 1962 war.

This time indian army took a offensive role in twang sector. It will be a major morale boost for indian army till 2020 we are still in trama of 1962 defeat. Even today we are not able to fully recover from that defeat

 

[Suryavanshi]

Mokoman always makes it sure that there is a proper representation of PLA in DFI.

He always takes 'Galwan Incident' as a parameter to measure China's braveness and strong-willness.

Good some counter point is needed

 

[Sanglamorre]

There was one Chinese language forum I have lost the link. I used to Google Translate hunt that forum during Galwan clashes. That is the most authentic meltdown from Chinese nationalists you can get.

Please share the link if available.

The video has gone absolutely viral in the Western social media space.

It has gone viral? Can you show some examples please?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[not so dravidian]

I think Both @mist_consecutive and @mokoman are partially right.
it's because of the absence LCH, sukhois are used.

If my memory serves me right, IAF wanted LCH for primarily for A2A role (to fire mistral or VSHORADS) against drones. This was one of the delays for LCH, as it still hasn't completed high altitude A2A missile trials.

 

[IndiaRising]

Najayaaz aulaad crying the most when he sees Abbu spanked.

 

[another_armchair]

Got kicked in Doklam so came back at galwan by analyzing our weakness.
Got beaten in Tawang?
Next?

Our greatest weakness was to trust the Chinese and secondly to trust Russia that the Chinese were just conducting a fun-filled military exercise.

It was a watered down Kargil but intention of the Chinese was same - grab land, squat, make next move to grab more.

Am glad it ended all utopian dreams of Hindi-Chini bhoy-bhoy for a long time to come.

The tragedy was we lost good brave men but it changed our stance on the border conflict with China.

No more kid glove mutual respect treatment to PLA as was evident in yesterdays video.

Only one video was released yesterday(unrelated to the Dec. 9th incident) and see what it did - josh very high on our side while Chini camp goes into meltdown.

That's why we shouldn't abandon psyops completely. Does wonders sometimes to public sentiment and morale.

 

[ezsasa]

since it is now confirmed that the video is from 2021, and chini released galwan videos and pics in Nov 2021.

could it be the case that they released those because of this incident? they thought our chaps will release this video at that time and it didn't happen.

 

[Ayushraj]

I think Both @mist_consecutive and @mokoman are partially right.
it's because of the absence LCH, sukhois are used.

If my memory serves me right, IAF wanted LCH for primarily for A2A role (to fire mistral or VSHORADS) against drones. This was one of the delays for LCH, as it still hasn't completed high altitude A2A missile trials.

In Himalayan region air force is useless. Using air force is waste of resources in mountains.
Air force is only suited for plain and desert warfare

Kargil war is perfect example of it
Most artillery duels takes place and close quater combat tales place.

 

[another_armchair]

In Himalayan region air force is useless. Using air force is waste of resources

Most artillery duels takes place and close quater combat tales place.

Air force tilted the scales in our favor during the Kargil war within a short span of time.

When there are time constraints and AF is available, use it.

Will save time, money and precious lives.

 

[DumbPilot]

In Himalayan region air force is useless. Using air force is waste of resources in mountains.
Air force is only suited for plain and desert warfare

Kargil war is perfect example of it
Most artillery duels takes place and close quater combat tales place.

the most incorrect statement ever

 

[Suryavanshi]

Galwan Valley Clash

Galwan Valley Clash

www.drishtiias.com

How to Deal with a Problem?

• Devolution of comprehensive China strategy: Strong political direction, mature deliberation and coherence are keys to handling the situation.
  • The Army can make tactical adjustments and manoeuvres to deter the Chinese, but a comprehensive China strategy and its determination should devolve on those tasked with national security policy in the highest echelons of the Government of India.
• Strategic communication: The responsibility of effective strategic communication too rests with political leadership. It is important to perceive the signals of transgressions on a serious note and adopt adequate strategy with clear instructions for forces.
• Clarification on LAC: India should take the initiative to insist on a timely and early clarification of the LAC. Pockets of difference of alignment as perceived by each side have to be clearly identified and these areas demilitarised by both sides through joint agreement pending a settlement of the boundary.
  • Diplomatic channels must continue to be open and should not be fettered in any way because their smooth operability is vital in the current situation.
• Scaling down of military contact: India must stand resolute and firm in the defence of territory in all four sectors of the border. Contacts between the two militaries through joint exercises and exchanges of visits of senior Commanders should be scaled down for the foreseeable future.
• Counterbalance for the outside world: India’s leverage and balancing power within the Indo-Pacific and the world beyond stems from its strong democratic credentials, the dynamism of its economy, its leading role in multilateral institutions.
  • The strategic advantage of its maritime geography is an asset possessed by few nations, and which must be deployed much more effectively to counterbalance the Chinese ingress into this oceanic space that surrounds us.
• Reconsider RCEP engagement: The time has also come for India to reconsider its stand on joining the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership.
  • If India is to disengage from economic involvement with China, and build the capacities and capabilities it needs in manufacturing, and in supply chains networks closer home, it cannot be a prisoner of the short term.
  • It is time to boldly take the long view in this area as also on its South Asia policy.

Conclusion
The events in Galwan Valley should be a wake-up call to many of India’s Asian friends and partners enabling a high-resolution envisioning of Chinese aggressiveness. This is also an opportunity for India to align its interests much more strongly and unequivocally with the U.S. as a principal strategic partner and infuse more energy into its relations with Japan, Australia, and the ASEAN.

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What the IAS aspirants are reading about Galwan.

 

[DumbPilot]

Galwan Valley Clash

Galwan Valley Clash

www.drishtiias.com

How to Deal with a Problem?

• Devolution of comprehensive China strategy:Strong political direction, mature deliberation and coherence are keys to handling the situation.
  • The Army can make tactical adjustments and manoeuvres to deter the Chinese, but a comprehensive China strategy and its determination should devolve on those tasked with national security policy in the highest echelons of the Government of India.
• Strategic communication: The responsibility of effective strategic communication too rests with political leadership. It is important to perceive the signals of transgressions on a serious note and adopt adequate strategy with clear instructions for forces.
• Clarification on LAC:India should take the initiative to insist on a timely and early clarification of the LAC. Pockets of difference of alignment as perceived by each side have to be clearly identified and these areas demilitarised by both sides through joint agreement pending a settlement of the boundary.
  • Diplomatic channels must continue to be open and should not be fettered in any way because their smooth operability is vital in the current situation.
• Scaling down of military contact: India must stand resolute and firm in the defence of territory in all four sectors of the border. Contacts between the two militaries through joint exercises and exchanges of visits of senior Commanders should be scaled down for the foreseeable future.
• Counterbalance for the outside world:India’s leverage and balancing power within the Indo-Pacific and the world beyond stems from its strong democratic credentials, the dynamism of its economy, its leading role in multilateral institutions.
  • The strategic advantage of its maritime geography is an asset possessed by few nations, and which must be deployed much more effectively to counterbalance the Chinese ingress into this oceanic space that surrounds us.
• Reconsider RCEP engagement: The time has also come for India to reconsider its stand on joining the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership.
  • If India is to disengage from economic involvement with China, and build the capacities and capabilities it needs in manufacturing, and in supply chains networks closer home, it cannot be a prisoner of the short term.
  • It is time to boldly take the long view in this area as also on its South Asia policy.

Conclusion
The events in Galwan Valley should be a wake-up call to many of India’s Asian friends and partners enabling a high-resolution envisioning of Chinese aggressiveness. This is also an opportunity for India to align its interests much more strongly and unequivocally with the U.S. as a principal strategic partner and infuse more energy into its relations with Japan, Australia, and the ASEAN.

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What the IAS aspirants are reading about Galwan.

Don't go by this website, the actual IAS officers are probably wrapped up in other matters. Source: my relative was one.

 

[Ayushraj]

Air force tilted the scales in our favor during the Kargil war within a short span of time.

When there are time constraints and AF is available, use it.

Will save time, money and precious lives.

Air force almost did nothing.
Even pakis used to hide in their bunkers when air force approached.

Real game changer was bofors guns which changed the course of battle. Prolonged artillery barrages and made pakis to suffer a huge number of casualties.

Even artillery barrages gave cover to infantry movements for assaults

 

[Suryavanshi]

Don't go by this website, the actual IAS officers are probably wrapped up in other matters. Source: my relative was one.

Hardly 10 IAS come from this coaching but thats not the issue. Lakhs of students prepare for govt jobs in these institutes and they build certain perception. Like that Vikas Divyakriti guy.
Certain news channels, print media, youtube build perception that may or may not be harmful in the long run.

 

[DumbPilot]

Air force did nothing.
Even pakis used to hide in their bunkers when air force approached.

That is the problem. IAF wasn't used appropriately.

Have you seen what happens when an air force is used appropriately?

NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We don't even need to have a thousand airplanes. The 1971 war was an example of what happens when air force is utilized efficiently.