India-China Border conflict

[BabaKhalbali]

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[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

"Alarming": Top US General On Chinese Infra Build-Up Near Ladakh

General Charles A. Flynn, Commanding General, US. Army Pacific described it as "destabilizing and corrosive behaviour" by China as he talked about the Chinese infrastructure build-up across the Himalayan frontier.

www.ndtv.com

Also high altitude warfare part of the next set of mil excercises.

Don’t be taken in by these US Generals’ remarks. There is a bit of US-India against China positioning going on. The US these days is putting out a lot of “research” that India would find it difficult to counter the Chinese. I don’t think that’s the case yet but it could be given that our economy is not growing as rapidly as it should be. And rate of urbanization is too slow. And we are still solving basic needs of citizens such as water, nutrition, toilets etc. Unless we get to a $10000 per capita nominal country, you can forget about massive R&D spending in defense. Until then, we just have to maintain minimum credible deterrence like SSBN with nukes and solid logistics all along the Chinese war theater. The border infrastructure work has slowed down considerably as has the overall highways building work. Just look at the inability to complete Trans Arunachal Highway and several delayed projects in Ladakh, HP and Uttarakhand border. This is a key risk to the economy and security. Infrastructure execution delays are the worst as they eat up a lot of money and puts the country in a terrible position.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

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Must be a Congi…who gave away Aksai Chin and did nothing post 26/11 Mumbai attacks? Who was responsible for extremely poor logistics and infrastructure along the borders, saying absurd things like “poor infrastructure will deter the Chinese from invading” and introduced naive doctrines like the Panchaheel? You guessed it - the corrupt looters aka the Indian National Congress.

 

[DEV1729]

 

[Butter Chicken]

 

[Jimih]

Interesting

 

[DEV1729]

Interesting

U.S. government should ‘continue to cultivate' Mamata

Consulate found ‘encouraging signs' her regime would be ‘friendlier' than Left Front

www.thehindu.com

 

[ezsasa]

U.S. government should ‘continue to cultivate' Mamata

Consulate found ‘encouraging signs' her regime would be ‘friendlier' than Left Front

www.thehindu.com

it's ok. US is trying to woo BD away from china.

U.S.- Bangladesh High-Level Economic Consultation - United States Department of State

The following is the text of a joint statement by the Governments of the United States of America and Bangladesh. Begin Text: On June 2, 2022, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Economic Growth, Energy, and the Environment, Jose W. Fernandez, and Adviser for Private Industry and Investment to the...

www.state.gov

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese Armed Strength in Tibet and Ladakh


Will somebody with references (not Chinese or pro Chinese references) tell us that what component of Chinese 1.8 million man army is posted in Tibet (along the McMohan Line), Chumbi Valley and Ladakh to face up against India? Guess work not wanted.

Last known estimate (2004) was 14 to 18 divisions of Chinese army are at the LAC border (Chinese divisions are smaller of about 10,000 men). I would say about 200,000 to 240,000 men are stationed there. Also there is a significant component of specialized forces present . Their job is to maintain law and order in Tibet and intimidate India with pin prick operations like in Galwan two years back.

Their military component consists of highly mobile units which reinforce from one area to other rapidly. These units have no heavy hardware like tanks, highly mobile artillery or other heavies. Their heaviest hardware for forward positions is mortar. Their big guns are positioned way behind and at times cannot be positioned on mountain tops of 14,000 to 18,000 feet height. They have no heavy lift helicopters to bring the guns forward and position them on mountain tops. For show and intimidation they have a component of light tanks in Depsang and in Rezang La area. None of them is big enough to win the battle against an equally strong enemy.

Their much touted battlefield missiles on trucks is positioned 30 to 40 miles behind the forward positions as the much touted road infrastructure is incapable of lugging them up and down to the 14,000 feet forward positions.

Their road infrastructure is right up to the forward locations, not all but whatever is essential. These do not connect each and the other forward posts but goes up to supply depots and command posts. They have a very good highway network in the Tibet plateau all along the 3,000 miles border with india. It is about 100 to 150 miles inland from the border. It connects well with the feeder roads as building roads in the 4,000 feet plateau is much easier than in the mountains.

All in all they are well placed in a defensive mode also in a limited offensive mode. To make a major dent into India, they will have to bring additional troops from mainland China just like they did in 1962 when they brought in one crack Manchurian division to achieve a breakthrough to bypass Sela Pass Defences.

The Chinese AirPower is very limited at LAC. Nearest bases are 300 miles away. Their they position lower end fighters as the much updated aircrafts are needed in the east. Indian border is not active hence they need not position their modern fighters at the LAC. Moreover the bases are 300 miles away and at 5,000 to 6,000 feet elevations hence these make very little difference to the battle in progress. The planes taking off from these airfields at those elevations cannot have full load of bombs or fuel. As a compromise the planes have to be refuelled in the air after take off. That is their major weakness as refuelling planes are most vulnerable to attack.

Hence much of the stories tailored about Chinese invincibility at LAC are pure fiction.

Hence all that humbug you hear about Chinese infrastructure and manpower to invade into India is a humbug.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Interesting

Something to do with BeeeeDeeeee?Maybe BD is going to be propped up with naval assets and invited to do joint exercises. Either that or the US is cracking down on the scam call centers in new town Kolkata.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Something to do with BeeeeDeeeee?Maybe BD is going to be propped up with naval assets and invited to do joint exercises. Either that or the US is cracking down on the scam call centers in new town Kolkata.

Kolkata scam centres are tucked away everywhere, not just New Town, and with full support from Memeta because they give cuts.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Chinese Armed Strength in Tibet and Ladakh


Will somebody with references (not Chinese or pro Chinese references) tell us that what component of Chinese 1.8 million man army is posted in Tibet (along the McMohan Line), Chumbi Valley and Ladakh to face up against India? Guess work not wanted.

Last known estimate (2004) was 14 to 18 divisions of Chinese army are at the LAC border (Chinese divisions are smaller of about 10,000 men). I would say about 200,000 to 240,000 men are stationed there. Also there is a significant component of specialized forces present . Their job is to maintain law and order in Tibet and intimidate India with pin prick operations like in Galwan two years back.

Their military component consists of highly mobile units which reinforce from one area to other rapidly. These units have no heavy hardware like tanks, highly mobile artillery or other heavies. Their heaviest hardware for forward positions is mortar. Their big guns are positioned way behind and at times cannot be positioned on mountain tops of 14,000 to 18,000 feet height. They have no heavy lift helicopters to bring the guns forward and position them on mountain tops. For show and intimidation they have a component of light tanks in Depsang and in Rezang La area. None of them is big enough to win the battle against an equally strong enemy.

Their much touted battlefield missiles on trucks is positioned 30 to 40 miles behind the forward positions as the much touted road infrastructure is incapable of lugging them up and down to the 14,000 feet forward positions.

Their road infrastructure is right up to the forward locations, not all but whatever is essential. These do not connect each and the other forward posts but goes up to supply depots and command posts. They have a very good highway network in the Tibet plateau all along the 3,000 miles border with india. It is about 100 to 150 miles inland from the border. It connects well with the feeder roads as building roads in the 4,000 feet plateau is much easier than in the mountains.

All in all they are well placed in a defensive mode also in a limited offensive mode. To make a major dent into India, they will have to bring additional troops from mainland China just like they did in 1962 when they brought in one crack Manchurian division to achieve a breakthrough to bypass Sela Pass Defences.

The Chinese AirPower is very limited at LAC. Nearest bases are 300 miles away. Their they position lower end fighters as the much updated aircrafts are needed in the east. Indian border is not active hence they need not position their modern fighters at the LAC. Moreover the bases are 300 miles away and at 5,000 to 6,000 feet elevations hence these make very little difference to the battle in progress. The planes taking off from these airfields at those elevations cannot have full load of bombs or fuel. As a compromise the planes have to be refuelled in the air after take off. That is their major weakness as refuelling planes are most vulnerable to attack.

Hence much of the stories tailored about Chinese invincibility at LAC are pure fiction.

Hence all that humbug you hear about Chinese infrastructure and manpower to invade into India is a humbug.

You are lowballing China way too much. Yes, China appears strong through propaganda, but dismissing their manpower and firepower will be mistake. Take note, even in high-altitude environment where we excel, China has always maintained or even exceeded numeric advantage.
Even if we count 1 vs. 1 soldier, they can still fight an equal battle.

 

[Master Chief]

Chinese Armed Strength in Tibet and Ladakh


Will somebody with references (not Chinese or pro Chinese references) tell us that what component of Chinese 1.8 million man army is posted in Tibet (along the McMohan Line), Chumbi Valley and Ladakh to face up against India? Guess work not wanted.

Last known estimate (2004) was 14 to 18 divisions of Chinese army are at the LAC border (Chinese divisions are smaller of about 10,000 men). I would say about 200,000 to 240,000 men are stationed there. Also there is a significant component of specialized forces present . Their job is to maintain law and order in Tibet and intimidate India with pin prick operations like in Galwan two years back.

Their military component consists of highly mobile units which reinforce from one area to other rapidly. These units have no heavy hardware like tanks, highly mobile artillery or other heavies. Their heaviest hardware for forward positions is mortar. Their big guns are positioned way behind and at times cannot be positioned on mountain tops of 14,000 to 18,000 feet height. They have no heavy lift helicopters to bring the guns forward and position them on mountain tops. For show and intimidation they have a component of light tanks in Depsang and in Rezang La area. None of them is big enough to win the battle against an equally strong enemy.

Their much touted battlefield missiles on trucks is positioned 30 to 40 miles behind the forward positions as the much touted road infrastructure is incapable of lugging them up and down to the 14,000 feet forward positions.

Their road infrastructure is right up to the forward locations, not all but whatever is essential. These do not connect each and the other forward posts but goes up to supply depots and command posts. They have a very good highway network in the Tibet plateau all along the 3,000 miles border with india. It is about 100 to 150 miles inland from the border. It connects well with the feeder roads as building roads in the 4,000 feet plateau is much easier than in the mountains.

All in all they are well placed in a defensive mode also in a limited offensive mode. To make a major dent into India, they will have to bring additional troops from mainland China just like they did in 1962 when they brought in one crack Manchurian division to achieve a breakthrough to bypass Sela Pass Defences.

The Chinese AirPower is very limited at LAC. Nearest bases are 300 miles away. Their they position lower end fighters as the much updated aircrafts are needed in the east. Indian border is not active hence they need not position their modern fighters at the LAC. Moreover the bases are 300 miles away and at 5,000 to 6,000 feet elevations hence these make very little difference to the battle in progress. The planes taking off from these airfields at those elevations cannot have full load of bombs or fuel. As a compromise the planes have to be refuelled in the air after take off. That is their major weakness as refuelling planes are most vulnerable to attack.

Hence much of the stories tailored about Chinese invincibility at LAC are pure fiction.

Hence all that humbug you hear about Chinese infrastructure and manpower to invade into India is a humbug.

China does not have 1.8 million Army.. It's downsized to around a million..

 

[MilkTeaAlliance32]

You are lowballing China way too much. Yes, China appears strong through propaganda, but dismissing their manpower and firepower will be mistake. Take note, even in high-altitude environment where we excel, China has always maintained or even exceeded numeric advantage.
Even if we count 1 vs. 1 soldier, they can still fight an equal battle.

India killed more Chinese soldiers in their last clash though...and besides, Indian soldiers are much more experienced than modern Chinese troops. India should be especially careful of China's games controlling the Brahmaputra River which originates in Tibet -- its control over the flow and supply of water could easily affect 140 million people in both India and Bangladesh -- an extremely dangerous scenario in any real war given India's high population.

The Chinese Threat to Lower Brahmaputra Riparians India and Bangladesh

The plan to divert the waters of Brahmaputra would affect over 140 million people who are dependent on the river.

thediplomat.com

 

[Cheran]

Hindu Han bai bai

 

[Kumaoni]

Logistics. Logistics. Logistics.

In 1962, the bloodiest battle on the NEFA theatre, the Battle of Walong, and arguably the PLAs largest offensive with a division sized force, had immense logistic planning.

Their logistic buildup was larger than the actual offensive troops itself.

Unlike India which half assed the foreign policy, the PLA was ready and prepared for an offensive.

 

[Kumaoni]

India killed more Chinese soldiers in their last clash though...and besides, Indian soldiers are much more experienced than modern Chinese troops. India should be especially careful of China's games controlling the Brahmaputra River which originates in Tibet -- its control over the flow and supply of water could easily affect 140 million people in both India and Bangladesh -- an extremely dangerous scenario in any real war given India's high population.

The Chinese Threat to Lower Brahmaputra Riparians India and Bangladesh

The plan to divert the waters of Brahmaputra would affect over 140 million people who are dependent on the river.

thediplomat.com

This is just cope.

I think it’s a consensus india lost more men, prisoners, and some patrolled land on here.

We aren’t Pakis. We acknowledge that the enemy got the better of us, and are analyzing how that stalemate could change.

Yes we are more experienced but then again, PLA has a superior logistic Chain in Ladakh. The inexperienced PLA managed to ambush 20 unarmed Indian soldiers.

 

[Kumaoni]

"Alarming": Top US General On Chinese Infra Build-Up Near Ladakh

General Charles A. Flynn, Commanding General, US. Army Pacific described it as "destabilizing and corrosive behaviour" by China as he talked about the Chinese infrastructure build-up across the Himalayan frontier.

www.ndtv.com

Also high altitude warfare part of the next set of mil excercises.

So apparently a US general knows more than Indian and China. No complaints on either side to the media or UN, but this guy has some inside knowledge

Both sides are consolidating their gains.

India has legitimate grievances with China, yes. But the US is milking this to their advantage.

 

[Kumaoni]

Tactical outplay of Battle of Walong. Comments, lessons, and some encouragement on India’s performance in 1962.

 

[BabaKhalbali]

Reportedly PLA's J-7 plane crashed. Not confirmed yet