India-China Border conflict

[another_armchair]

A regular Indian infantry platoon looks like this in actual combat.

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Not much has changed since Kargil.

Same INSAS and INSAS LMG at 0:15 seconds. The quality of uniform may have improved by a notch or two.

 

[Angel of War]

It was a Chinese mine. Read this "COPYPASTE"

"He died in the line of duty on 29th August night during an operation near the Blacktop peak around the South Bank of Pangong when he stepped on an old anti-personnel mine which was put by Chinese PLA around 1962’, revealed a source"

He here refers to Nyima Tenzin. The SFF trooper who died.

I believe it can't be a chinese mine , mines are laid when you want to defend your position against the enemy not when you are attacking your enemy

 

[mist_consecutive]

Another good example of what a regular Indian army infantry company consists of -


What you see -

• Old helmets with snow goggles
• INSAS as the primary rifle, few got Ak-47, and very few have Sig 716
• INSAS LMG
• Carl-Gustav
• Standard vest (can't tell if BPJ present or not)
• Standard cold weather padded jacket
• Pickaxe and other climbing equipments

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

So at the moment we have 340 regular infantry , 50 mechanised infantry , 65 RR and 46 AR battalions for a total of 501 battalions. Multiple media houses have reported that two rifle companies in each battalion will get Sig716 regardless of their location . So , since each company has 120-124 men we will consider that there will be 100 sig rifles for each of the two companies for a total of 200 in the battalion. So 200*501 = 100,200 rifles. In the previous order army had got 66,400 sig 716 rifles. But I don't have any idea about where the other 39,000 rifles will go.

How do we have 340 infantry battalions? I have roughly totalled battalions number in every regiment (acc to Wikipedia), it is near 400. And why would RR & AR need 200+ men with a battle rifle when their main role is urban combat?

 

[Waanar]

I think I can answer that . We don't actively mine the LAC at any location in peacetime. But post 2020 We have started laying anti tank minefields in depth areas which can used as ingress routes for PLA armour , bur we aren't planting them right at the forward areas . The first time we started mining the LAC was somewhere in 2001 .

I'm an armchair general so take everything I say with an assload of salt.
We shouldn't even think of an offensive war against China just yet. Keep a tonne of mines in depots, mine the shit out of rear areas if war breaks out and leave narrow routes of ingress for logistics, reinforcements etc and egress (in case shit goes south, troops can retreat while mining their path).

Our goal mustn't be terrain but making it as fatal as we can for the Chinese.
Their young men are now a rare commodity and every loss is a loss too many. Fight a defensive war with a heavy focus on inducing casualties (chinis can't match our demographic edge 1:1) make sure the terrain becomes uninhabitable in your wake in case you do lose and wait till 2030 when they suffer the inevitable demographic collapse.

That's how I'd approach this. I'm retarded though.

 

[Angel of War]

How do we have 340 infantry battalions? I have roughly totalled battalions number in every regiment (acc to Wikipedia), it is near 400. And why would RR & AR need 200+ men with a battle rifle when their main role is urban combat?

340 regular infantry , 50 mechanised infantry, 5 airborne and 10 special forces

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

340 regular infantry , 50 mechanised infantry, 5 airborne and 10 special forces

340 is official acc to some document?

 

[Angel of War]

340 is official acc to some document?

No , it is the calculation @AUSTERLITZ arrived at .

 

[Super Flanker]

No buddy , mines are an integral part of our engineer regiments. We use them heavily

Yes we use them heavily, but also need to ensure that our Troops don't Walk into these mines, last month itself (news of it had come on 29/30th April) we had lost 2 jawans with 1 jawan injured in a mine Explosion near LOC.

 

[another_armchair]

How much did the CWG games cost the taxpayer?

Games makeover is a Rs 66,550 cr bomb

Delhi beautification for CWG has cost Rs 70,608 crore which is 114 times more than the estimated original price tag of the Games, and four times what the government spends on the National Rural Health Mission every year. The taxpayers are paying a major part of these costs.

www.indiatoday.in

How much did the first batch of SiGs cost?

Govt signs mega Rs 700-crore deal to buy 72,000 modern rifles for Indian Army

The SIG716 7.62x51 mm assault rifle will be supplied by US arms maker Sig Sauer. The rifles will be made in the United States and will be supplied within a year

www.indiatoday.in

I know blackpilling is contagious but kabhi toh banta hai yaar.

26/11/2008 - Indian Army soldiers outside Taj hotel

 

[Angel of War]

Yes we use them heavily, but also need to ensure that our Troops don't Walk into these mines, last month itself (news of it had come on 29/30th April) we had lost 2 jawans with 1 jawan injured in a mine Explosion near LOC.

Our own Mine fields are carefully fenced off . These BAT troops place mines along regular patrol routes tho which result in casualties

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

No , it is the calculation @AUSTERLITZ arrived at .

@AUSTERLITZ, how did you arrive at 340 battalions?

 

[Super Flanker]

I believe it can't be a chinese mine , mines are laid when you want to defend your position against the enemy not when you are attacking your enemy

This Incident of an SSF Getting killed in a mine Explosion had happened before the events of Galwan Valley clash. Whatever it is, all media reports indicate that it was Chinese Mine.

Our own Mine fields are carefully fenced off . These BAT troops place mines along regular patrol routes tho which result in casualties

Than that is something I am relieved to hear. We might not be able to 100% prevent Casualties from Mine explosions but we might be able to Definitely avoid as many as we can.

 

[Angel of War]

I'm an armchair general so take everything I say with an assload of salt.
We shouldn't even think of an offensive war against China just yet. Keep a tonne of mines in depots, mine the shit out of rear areas if war breaks out and leave narrow routes of ingress for logistics, reinforcements etc and egress (in case shit goes south, troops can retreat while mining their path).

Our goal mustn't be terrain but making it as fatal as we can for the Chinese.
Their young men are now a rare commodity and every loss is a loss too many. Fight a defensive war with a heavy focus on inducing casualties (chinis can't match our demographic edge 1:1) make sure the terrain becomes uninhabitable in your wake in case you do lose and wait till 2030 when they suffer the inevitable demographic collapse.

That's how I'd approach this. I'm retarded though.

we must have offensive capability . Being on the defensive leaves you at the mercy of your enemy and you essentially hand over war control to him. It is foremost to ensure that we get our hands on the escalation ladder whenever we can . War can only end once you take the fight to the enemy's land

 

[Angel of War]

This Incident of an SSF Getting killed in a mine Explosion had happened before the events of Galwan Valley clash. Whatever it is, all media reports indicate that it was Chinese Mine.

Maybe it was some kind of face saving from the media , never believe one side of the story

 

[mist_consecutive]

26/11/2008

How much did the CWG games cost the taxpayer?

Games makeover is a Rs 66,550 cr bomb

Delhi beautification for CWG has cost Rs 70,608 crore which is 114 times more than the estimated original price tag of the Games, and four times what the government spends on the National Rural Health Mission every year. The taxpayers are paying a major part of these costs.

www.indiatoday.in

How much did the first batch of SiGs cost?

Govt signs mega Rs 700-crore deal to buy 72,000 modern rifles for Indian Army

The SIG716 7.62x51 mm assault rifle will be supplied by US arms maker Sig Sauer. The rifles will be made in the United States and will be supplied within a year

www.indiatoday.in

I know blackpilling is contagious but kabhi toh banta hai yaar.

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Problem is not money, but priority of the army. If you give them money, they will buy more tanks or missiles. Tiny amount of money is a alloted for personal gear of the troops.

I don’t understand this logic frankly. Army generals think soldiers can win war by making weird faces and battle cries.

 

[Angel of War]

@AUSTERLITZ, how did you arrive at 340 battalions?

by the way , can you provide your calculations to prove that we have 400 regular battalions ?

 

[Super Flanker]

Maybe it was some kind of face saving from the media , never believe one side of the story

According to those Media outlets, Indian government had not made much comment on this Incident of that SFF trooper getting killed in a supposed mine Explosion.

 

[Waanar]

we must have offensive capability . Being on the defensive leaves you at the mercy of your enemy and you essentially hand over war control to him. It is foremost to ensure that we get our hands on the escalation ladder whenever we can . War can only end once you take the fight to the enemy's land

Our posture should be defensive. By that, I don't mean no offensive maneuvers.
I merely mean to say that any large concentration of troops should be in defensive roles.
Sneaky small teams can harass and hit any chink in the armor (see what I did ) but any large force attacking China (in it's current state) will get annihilated without air superiority.

 

[Angel of War]

Our posture should be defensive. By that, I don't mean no offensive maneuvers.
I merely mean to say that any large concentration of troops should be in defensive roles.
Sneaky small teams can harass any chink in the armor (see what I did ) but any large force attacking China (in it's current state) will get annihilated without air superiority.

defensive posture = giving the enemy an incentive to attack .