India-China Border conflict

[ezsasa]

IA and ITBP need to have a relook at their gear in forward areas again?

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Chinese PLA continues to carry a variety of unconventional weapons such as tasers, sticks, clubs with metal spikes along with rifles during patrols along LAC. PLA troops also bring mace-like weapons attached with a sharp blade. India also procuring body armours & similar weapons

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

IA and ITBP need to have a relook at their gear in forward areas again?

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Chinese PLA continues to carry a variety of unconventional weapons such as tasers, sticks, clubs with metal spikes along with rifles during patrols along LAC. PLA troops also bring mace-like weapons attached with a sharp blade. India also procuring body armours & similar weapons

So, still there aren't clear orders from top to the men on ground to fire shots if it goes to such a level?

 

[ezsasa]

So, still there aren't clear orders from top to the men on ground to fire shots if it goes to such a level?

“The commanders at LAC (line of actual control) can now give troops complete freedom of action to handle situations at the tactical level," the person said, on condition of anonymity.

India redraws its rules to engage China on border

Commanders can now decide on response to provocation.The new tactical approach may include staggered movement of patrols in key areas of the line of actual control

www.livemint.com

 

[mist_consecutive]

IA and ITBP need to have a relook at their gear in forward areas again?

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Chinese PLA continues to carry a variety of unconventional weapons such as tasers, sticks, clubs with metal spikes along with rifles during patrols along LAC. PLA troops also bring mace-like weapons attached with a sharp blade. India also procuring body armours & similar weapons

This is just useless madness.

We should just set a personal melee weapon standard of whatever soldiers are comfortable with, replacing it with tactical knives.

For example,

Sikhs/Jats can carry such scimitar if they wish -

Gorkha troops can carry their beloved Khukhri

Assam/Naga people can carry the trusty Dao

Rajputs can carry Wagh Nakhs , and/or a sword

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This was not uncommon in the military to carry personal melee weapons in WW2. Japanese soldiers used to carry a Katana and British/Australian officers sometimes carried Cutlass with them.

 

[ezsasa]

This is just useless madness.

We should just set a personal melee weapon standard of whatever soldiers are comfortable with, replacing it with tactical knives.

For example,

Sikhs/Jats can carry such scimitar if they wish -

Gorkha troops can carry their beloved Khukhri

Assam/Naga people can carry the trusty Dao

Rajputs can carry Wagh Nakhs , and/or a sword
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This was not uncommon in the military to carry personal melee weapons in WW2. Japanese soldiers used to carry a Katana and British/Australian officers sometimes carried Cutlass with them.

and south fellas can carry aruval

 

[Tactical Doge]

This is just useless madness.

We should just set a personal melee weapon standard of whatever soldiers are comfortable with, replacing it with tactical knives.

For example,

Sikhs/Jats can carry such scimitar if they wish -

Gorkha troops can carry their beloved Khukhri

Assam/Naga people can carry the trusty Dao

Rajputs can carry Wagh Nakhs , and/or a sword
View attachment 116211

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This was not uncommon in the military to carry personal melee weapons in WW2. Japanese soldiers used to carry a Katana and British/Australian officers sometimes carried Cutlass with them.

Only Officers and non coms in among Japs were armed with Katana I believe
But yes
It'll also be a tremendous morale booster to have the weapons of each communities, with which, their own ancestors fought against Mlechha

 

[mist_consecutive]

Only Officers and non coms in among Japs were armed with Katana I believe
But yes
It'll also be a tremendous morale booster to have the weapons of each communities, with which, their own ancestors fought against Mlechha

Yes, however, we can issue or let each soldier buy their personal melee weapons given the extraordinary circumstances of our border.

@Hariharan_kalarikkal considering you are from Kerala (I think, correct me if I am wrong) and have more knowledge about South India than me, can you make a list of medieval weapons used by South Indian dynasties and empires?

Anyone else with more knowledge of India's medieval weapons can make a list.

 

[Cheran]

Only Officers and non coms in among Japs were armed with Katana I believe
But yes
It'll also be a tremendous morale booster to have the weapons of each communities, with which, their own ancestors fought against Mlechha

Keralities can carry -

 

[maximus777]

IA and ITBP need to have a relook at their gear in forward areas again?

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Chinese PLA continues to carry a variety of unconventional weapons such as tasers, sticks, clubs with metal spikes along with rifles during patrols along LAC. PLA troops also bring mace-like weapons attached with a sharp blade. India also procuring body armours & similar weapons

Just carry the firearm and hose them with or without approval if attacked. That's basic self defense. Everything else can be dealt with later.

 

[The Shrike]

Does MSC still have just the one division? The article mentions "one attached from the east" without specifics.

As tensions with China continue, beefed-up Mountain Strike Corps reaches Arunachal for exercise

The exercise will see use of various IAF assets and integrated operations with a focus on springing offensive capabilities in short period of time.

theprint.in

 

[mist_consecutive]

This is pretty significant news. Both of our offensive Mountain strike corps (17th Corps and 1 Corps) are now moved to the border.

This is as close to war as it can get!

Does MSC still have just the one division? The article mentions "one attached from the east" without specifics.

As tensions with China continue, beefed-up Mountain Strike Corps reaches Arunachal for exercise

The exercise will see use of various IAF assets and integrated operations with a focus on springing offensive capabilities in short period of time.

theprint.in

3 Divisions + 1 Independent Air Defence Brigade. Out of these, 2 are newly constructed and one is attached.

I will be withholding names, hope you understand.

Just to sprinkle some masala, 17 Corps also have two PARA SF brigades dedicated for mountain strike

 

[The Shrike]

Don't know about the veracity of the news, but this is utter stupidity IMO. If the PLA gets overmatched in hand weapons (can't really call them non lethal weapons at this point), they will simply change up the game (including using firearms).

Spoiler: Just use the traditional weapon of the Indian Army, leave the medieval larping to the PLA.

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑾𝒐𝒍𝒇𝑷𝒂𝒄𝒌
@TheWolfpackIN

Report: Indian Army is training its troops at high altitudes in unarmed combat techniques and drills every day for three hours under ‘PLAN 190’ programme.

 

[sachincba]

This is pretty significant news. Both of our offensive Mountain strike corps (17th Corps and 1 Corps) are now moved to the border.

This is as close to war as it can get!



3 Divisions + 1 Independent Air Defence Brigade. Out of these, 2 are newly constructed and one is attached.

I will be withholding names, hope you understand.

Just to sprinkle some masala, 17 Corps also have two PARA SF brigades dedicated for mountain strike

Is think it is wise to be ready for offensive in an area of your choice rather than anticipating an offensive anywhere and reacting to that. Seems a good military startegy.
Finally some good news.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

This is pretty significant news. Both of our offensive Mountain strike corps (17th Corps and 1 Corps) are now moved to the border.

This is as close to war as it can get!



3 Divisions + 1 Independent Air Defence Brigade. Out of these, 2 are newly constructed and one is attached.

I will be withholding names, hope you understand.

Just to sprinkle some masala, 17 Corps also have two PARA SF brigades dedicated for mountain strike

PARA SF brigades or PARA brigades?

 

[maximus777]

Don't know about the veracity of the news, but this is utter stupidity IMO. If the PLA gets overmatched in hand weapons (can't really call them non lethal weapons at this point), they will simply change up the game (including using firearms).

Spoiler: Just use the traditional weapon of the Indian Army, leave the medieval larping to the PLA.

I see no harm in this as it will improve physical conditioning and also expedite acclimatization to the altitude. God forbid, but if sh.t hits the fan, I see a Kargil type close quarters hand to hand or bayonet charge type brutal combat. These skills along with our usual desi street goondagiri will come handy.

 

[sachincba]

Don't know about the veracity of the news, but this is utter stupidity IMO. If the PLA gets overmatched in hand weapons (can't really call them non lethal weapons at this point), they will simply change up the game (including using firearms).

Spoiler: Just use the traditional weapon of the Indian Army, leave the medieval larping to the PLA.

Ye ham kya karna chahte hain. Soldiers should shoot to kill, ye kya sarak ki larai hai.

 

[maximus777]

PARA SF brigades or PARA brigades?

They will be absolute Rambos in wooded Arunachal. Ladakh maybe better suited for traditional pahaadi troops like Gurkhas and Kumoanis. But I am just an arm chair expert, so what do I know about the capabilities of Para SF!

 

[Jimih]

Don't know about the veracity of the news, but this is utter stupidity IMO. If the PLA gets overmatched in hand weapons (can't really call them non lethal weapons at this point), they will simply change up the game (including using firearms).

Spoiler: Just use the traditional weapon of the Indian Army, leave the medieval larping to the PLA.

Exactly, how Swords, Aruval, Urumi, Dao, Kirpan, Khukri, etc, that is sharp-bladed weapons falls under non-lethal weapons category?

I think GoI should also order horses, camels and elephants to go along with these weapons, it will match completely with the type of weapons and the next step should be also to provide them with matching costumes.

No countries in the world with volatile borders have this policy like India and China.

If borders were not settled than LAC should have been exactly equated as LOC from the start, totally no difference.

India totally fell into the trap of Chinese induced Cold Weapons jumla. If firearms were used from the start, believe me, we would be not in the position of what we are today.

 

[Indrajit]

Bipin Rawat is a senile budhdha, large chunk of ex-servicemen totally dislike him - including my dad!

I assume from your post that your dad is an ex serviceman, respect that but you are way out of line in your language speaking about someone who’s achieved more than you or I and who has had actual skin in the game. Gen. Rawat has earned the right to speak though most here probably know that all such comments in public follow MoD instructions. Your comment is in bad taste.

 

[maximus777]

Exactly, how Swords, Aruval, Urumi, Dao, Kirpan, Khukri, etc, that is sharp-bladed weapons falls under non-lethal weapons category?

I think GoI should also order horses, camels and elephants to go along with these weapons, it will match completely with the type of weapons and the next step should be also to provide them with matching costumes.

No countries in the world with volatile borders have this policy like India and China.

If borders were not settled than LAC should have been exactly equated as LOC from the start, totally no difference.

India totally fell into the trap of Chinese induced Cold Weapons jumla. If firearms were used from the start, believe me, we would be not in the position of what we are today.

Yes, the complete 18th century battle outfit