India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Lancer]

From Vstol Jockey:

I had clearly stated that Moldo/Spangur tso garrison has now only two options, surrender or die fighting till the last men. They have no escape. But very important point which has been lost on most of these tweeting Generals is the effect of Moldo on the overall battle picture in southeast Ladakh. The loss of Moldo garrison means that PLA has now lost all abilities of launching any attack in SE Ladakh as this garrison was supposed to cut thru Chusul from Spangur Gap to allow take over of Demchok and Chumer area cutting the road leading to these places and surround Indian forces in these areas.
Our forces by dominating the heights around Moldo garrison, have now given us the the tactical advantage to completely dominate SE Ladakh and G219 is closest from Demchok and this allows us to even cut off Rutog and dominate Indus valley further down towards HP sector.
Long back on this very thread I had written that any Indian offensive must learn from the route and tactics followed by Dogra General Zorawar Singh. IA has done just that. He too had moved along Indua valley into Tibet. The added benefit of this move is that PLA has now lost ability to even mount an attack in HP/UK sector called the central sector. They have no chance in Sikkim sector so the next area of interest will be AP. Below is the route taken by Gen Zorawer Singh in his conquest of Tibet.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Why is info so scarce on the eastern sector like OSINT maps, which battalions are deployed where on both sides?

 

[Synergy]

I think you can explain it like that but its oversimplification....plants really do not operate in that simplistic manner in market economy. Let me explain why....there are 100's of suppliers if not 1000's of all types such as parts, service providers, raw materials e.t.c. With each product cycle they all move in sync which means capacity is wound down and workforce is regeared to the new product not just plane manufactures but all 100's/1000's of suppliers. India did not get bought into it most likely as it is not convincing for any one with experience. These are not products that sit in super market where they can sell on sale. Economics dictates that capacity is rarely that large and is highly based on forecast and cut off dates are set for customers with legal implications. I am giving you first hand experience....during the last stage of wound up few things happen....first tier parts suppliers keep producing parts based on demand and forecasting or they outsource to 2nd tier certified vendors....India simply did not believe it or they just don't want to invest in 3.5 or 4th gen plane that is also in our foe's inventory....in defence product life cycles, new plants are rarely established for each new model.

mate unfortunately I'm an MBA.

those all things could fall in place if there were any order when she allegedly said nobody has the capacity.
then Fort Worth was running with full capacity.

 

[TheSaffron]

While the country is largely busy finding its feet after gradual lifting of the lockdown and the metropolitan millennials are either not concerned or busy with NEET/JEE or the regular relationship drama, the ongoing standoff is causing a lot of anxiety among young citizens who actually realize the gravity of the situation. I, personally, am unable to focus on my work. Circadian rhythm has been disturbed. At a time, when the mind should be calm and composed, I'm getting agitated quite frequently. I don't know how to pull myself together and return to the business as usual attitude again.

 

[omaebakabaka]

While the country is largely busy finding its feet after gradual lifting of the lockdown and the metropolitan millennials are either not concerned or busy with NEET/JEE or the regular relationship drama, the ongoing standoff is causing a lot of anxiety among young citizens who actually realize the gravity of the situation. I, personally, am unable to focus on my work. Circadian rhythm has been disturbed. At a time, when the mind should be calm and composed, I'm getting agitated quite frequently. I don't know how to pull myself together and return to the business as usual attitude again.

Understandable, are you stressed due to lockdown, job insecurity/economy or war drums in the air?

 

[TheSaffron]

Understandable, are you stressed due to lockdown, job insecurity/economy or war drums in the air?

Job is okay. I teach law and currently pursuing my LLM. I'm not afraid of war either. Its just that the prolonged standoff is making me fidgety. I guess this is so because I care about the proverbial Bhoop Singh who is facing the chilly winds in Ladakh for the honour of our nation and civilization. Also, the fact that I can't be there with them and subject myself to the same trials and tribulations is eating me from within.

 

[Synergy]

While the country is largely busy finding its feet after gradual lifting of the lockdown and the metropolitan millennials are either not concerned or busy with NEET/JEE or the regular relationship drama, the ongoing standoff is causing a lot of anxiety among young citizens who actually realize the gravity of the situation. I, personally, am unable to focus on my work. Circadian rhythm has been disturbed. At a time, when the mind should be calm and composed, I'm getting agitated quite frequently. I don't know how to pull myself together and return to the business as usual attitude again.

do yoga and meditation in the morning. everything will be ok.
and engage with people (family, friends (over phone). don't sit idle.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Job is okay. I teach law and currently pursuing my LLM. I'm not afraid of war either. Its just that the prolonged standoff is making me fidgety. I guess this is so because I care about the proverbial Bhoop Singh who is facing the chilly winds in Ladakh for the honour of our nation and civilization. Also, the fact that I can't be there with them and subject myself to the same trials and tribulations is eating me from within.

Nation is always in debt to them and their families. Good of you to have those honest feelings . I am sure a lot us will volunteer too if there is a need.

 

[doreamon]

American planes come with strings attached, so f-16 rebranded as f-21 will remain out of question hopefully.

I feel like usa ll say buy f21 and avoid sanction due to s400 and other aircraft deal with russia . And we ll say yes given current situation of economy .

 

[tarunraju]

Huh this posted?

Isn't this a very paki thing to do? Obviously they'll restrict which "international tourist" visits there, which will be CCP-paid journalists from the likes of BBC and CNN.

They're hinting the Indian side to do the same, so we can allow Barkha Dutt types free access to our side, so there's free flow of HUMINT to the PLA. They also want the Indian side to know that any Indian campaign into F4-F8 north bank comes with the additional headache of firing at international tourists.

Remember those visuals of "stranded Chinese tourists" in Sikkim from Friday? Those weren't fucking tourists.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Isn't this a very paki thing to do? Obviously they'll restrict which "international tourist" visits there, which will be CCP-paid journalists from the likes of BBC and CNN.

They're hinting the Indian side to do the same, so we can allow Barkha Dutt types free access to our side, so there's free flow of HUMINT to the PLA. They also want the Indian side to know that any Indian campaign into F4-F8 north bank comes with the additional headache of firing at international tourists.

Remember those visuals of "stranded Chinese tourists" in Sikkim from Friday? Those weren't fucking tourists.

India would never allow tourists when there is so much troop buildup.. maybe they want to discourage India from launching any campaign to dislodge PLA from their sweet spots...

 

[Assassin 2.0]

India would never allow tourists when there is so much troop buildup.. maybe they want to discurage from launching any campaign to dislodge PLA from their sweet spots...

I guess they wanna strengthen their claim.
Bringing international / National tourists strength your claim on the land.
If we cannot open the pangaon tso lake which is a great tourist spot then it's a led down.
NEW DELHI: The world's highest battlefield, Siachen Glacier, is now open for tourists, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh announced on Monday. Tourism will be allowed from Siachen base camp to Kumar Post that lies above 15,000 feet.Oct 21, 2019

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Huh this posted?

this is a deception ploy. No tourists would visit a war zone. Chinese may have soldiers pretending to be tourists or some other design?

 

[tarunraju]

India would never allow tourists when there is so much troop buildup.. maybe they want to discurage from launching any campaign to dislodge PLA from their sweet spots...

10 Rupees says they'll fly Barkha Dutt to their side of the front, or have her demand unrestricted access to our side.

"those communists allow international tourists to their frontline, can't we as a democracy at least allow the press to our frontline?" - Barkha Dutt, September 10, 2020.

True story: After Galwan skirmish, that bitch dropped her pulitzer-mining in Madhya Pradesh during the COVID migrant labour crisis, and drove non-stop to get to the Indian frontline in Ladakh. She was stopped by Indian Army at a checkpoint beyond Leh and asked to go back to a media outpost that was set up in the city, where she can report on media briefs released by the Army thrice everyday. Her "vardi utarwadungi" magic power didn't work anymore. So rather than staying in Leh with the other journalists, she chose to drive back to MP so she can fish pulitzers out of labourers' corpses.

 

[Suhaan]

Only country which transports 5th gen fighter aircraft over trucks

Looks like cement planes

 

[another_armchair]

this is a deception ploy. No tourists would visit a war zone. Chinese may have soldiers pretending to be tourists or some other design?

India should issue a warning to all nations stating we are not responsible for any harm that befalls their citizens for visiting a conflict zone that has been illegally occupied by China.

Wouldn't be surprised if they round up foreign spouses of Chinese citizens and take them on a state sponsored joy ride to Pangong Tso.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Gandaberunda]

this is a deception ploy. No tourists would visit a war zone. Chinese may have soldiers pretending to be tourists or some other design?

IA has strategic and tactical edge in south pangyong tso and can look up to F6 on North bank from heights captured... Also IA sitting on ridges of F4 after readjustment of troops. PLA has no tactical edge now and if offence is mounted in finger areas PLA will be defeated. Opening up Pyangyong tso to international tourist during military stand off is to save themselves from onslaught of IA. Any civilians present in dispute areas army doesn't open fire. CCP desperately going for face saving measures...

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Sehwag213]

How is it untraceable when Indian journalists are able to find it ?
Or is it untraceable because it isn't present on Google maps?