India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Shashank Nayak]

Our frontier villagers always backs our forces and help in eventuality
There are lot of articles regarding Gilgit baltistan and skardu villagers cooking extra food in village anticipation of army jawans coming in need during skirmish/ War.

It is Psyops to show that India has blacktop. Since we wont officially admit it..

 

[omaebakabaka]

You guys are ignoring the trunk for the branches.
50 squadron is all good but what about the weapons and Sub system of those platform? Without weapons even a F 22 is just a shooting target.
Stuff like BVRAAM, LGB, Anti Air Field, Anti armor, Radiation missile and Electronic warfare pods. These things take relatively less cost than a Aircraft.
Start with the small things and build upto BIg things.

Tejas is the only solution along with armaments....they don't have to be top-notch...just avg is good enough with quantity, even if we buy to make 42/50...the obsolescence of imports is unsustainable.

 

[Gandaberunda]

It is Psyops to show that India has blacktop. Since we wont officially admit it..

Well in terms of army to army they knows what position they're holding on ground and since Gober times in non stop ranting it's quite palpable we have black top!

 

[ezsasa]

You guys are ignoring the trunk for the branches.
50 squadron is all good but what about the weapons and Sub system of those platform? Without weapons even a F 22 is just a shooting target.
Stuff like BVRAAM, LGB, Anti Air Field, Anti armor, Radiation missile and Electronic warfare pods. These things take relatively less cost than a Aircraft.
Start with the small things and build upto BIg things.

By the time 42 Squadrons are filled up, there will be sufficient domestic options. Foreign purchases will probably be limited to GBU PGMs.

Let's look at the list(off top of my head):

HSLD
SANT
DHRUVASTRA
SAAW
NGARM
SFDR
LFDR
ASTRA
BRAHMOS NG
RUDRAM
RUDRAM 2
RUDRAM 3

 

[Jailor]

We need 50 squadrons.. now that there might be recurrent battles/ wars with China in the near future.. One war or a few battles wont settle much between India and China.. So, we need both LCAs and F-21/F-16.. Also need to order mothballed Mirages from France, UAE Taiwan.. HAL alone cant build fighters fast enough.. Rafales are too costly..
Also, economy is on the mend... with Manufacturing PMI at 52 for August.. Economy continues to reopen inspite of rising Covid cases.. as Case fatality rate is very low at 1.72 percent..

American planes come with strings attached, so f-16 rebranded as f-21 will remain out of question hopefully.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

American planes come with strings attached, so f-16 rebranded as f-21 will remain out of question hopefully.

But US Mic is the only one that can deliver the necessary numbers at a very rapid pace...

 

[omaebakabaka]

By the time 42 Squadrons are filled up, there will be sufficient domestic options. Foreign purchases will probably be limited to GBU PGMs.

Here is another thing with this....
Our primary foes are too close and with modern weaponry it is not difficult to destroy forward airbases on both sides. Even if you have squads it is operationally not deployable....this is not ww2 era.....in a situation where we require 42 squads to fight there are more worse scenarios that are likely like missile attacks and so on. What we need is 42 on the max side combined with powerful IADS. Do not tell me we are going to build more airbases to support this idea....

 

[another_armchair]

Not sure if 42 squadrons are enough in a simultaneous attack over the entire Western, Northern and Eastern sector in a two front war like situation. We will leave gaping holes in our skies.

How many IAF fighters will we have to scramble if 15 squadrons from PAF and PLAAF simultaneously choose to attack targets of their choice?

 

[Sanglamorre]

Conflicting reports as Sunday guardian article says mountain strike corp is already deployed and involved in black top operation and zee news article says just arrived
Also April status Quo ain't feasible now... Go for war or just maintain aug status Quo and highly doubt CCP and PLA gonna accept being vulnerability of moldo garrison. They will definitely attack in different sector and try to talk out may status Quo

News is being released with deliberate delay so I'm guessing Mountain Strike Corps had arrived already. They wouldn't let it be known unless they were fully operational already

Hi guys
Back with some more insights.
The induction of the ITBP, for point static defence is a huge show of our intent.
This frees the army for an offensive run, and that is why china is scared

The loss of time in talks has now begun to hurt indian interests, as the chinese are able to reinforce their rear.
The chinese at moldo, pangong tso are in deep trouble,
But when the shots are fired, our objective is to capture other peaks lost in 62 and then begin the reverse salami starting next year.
The way I see it
War is inevitable. But the more time we give the chinese, the more they are able to reinforce far off hilltops.

Good evening, Sir.

May I inquire of you something? Are we looking at more involvement of Ethnic Tibetan personnel to rile up the Chinese? Is poking the hornets nest in Tibet on the cards?

 

[Suryavanshi]

But US Mic is the only one that can deliver the necessary numbers at a very rapid pace...

With this mentality u will forever be Stuck with Foreign MIC dependence for weapons

I will once again post this

Come to thread

Muh F 16, F35
Muh Rafale
Muh Ruski jet

U guys want to blow billions of dollar to buy jets that will last 20 years at most but won't invest in India to nurture aeropace industry that will last forever.
How about sparing some millions to get NAL saras mk 1 mk2 running so that we can get Start our own Small passenger aircraft industry

Better how about we let some load of to priavte industry so that they can get a taste of aerospace as well.
HAL cant make us a aeropace giant, at least not the way it is.
A good aerospace environments means a wide chain of Sub Component suppliers.
Literally go and check out F 22, more than 100 companies are involved in making the jet. But all we know is LM. LM just does the job of assembly and Software.
But niggas here want HAL to manufacture rivettee ro paint and everything imaginable on the aircraft
Mayeb we should work on raising more and more aerospace companies that give us a diverse range of components and a Robust supply change.

Maybe patch up NAL and Mahindra for Saras Project.

Get Kalyani in the UAV Program.

Get L&T and HAL in IMRH.

Get Tata involved with Embraer in making an alternative to C 130.

Invite Kalyani in K 10 Engine Project.
Kalyani is a Metallurgy pioneer maybe discuss what they lack and what they have to come to a solution together.

Pass a low interest loans for Aerospace Startup's and propel them into the market fast.

Maybe fund more IITs to expand their metallurgy R&D at university level.

Give directions to PSU and Private companies to invite students with merits for internship.

How about fast tracking our Tetsing and integration.

How about building more Wind Tunnels

Thank god Americans didn't have any option but to develope their own aerospace otherwise they would have been acting like us.

" Import muh rafuls"

"Muh Ruski jet need Upgrades"

"Muh Supa Sugois"

"Good lawd luuk at those F 35s"

"Please Americu gib engine"

"Please Americu gib C 17s"

"Ruski dady gib Brahmoos"

"Americu please teach us how to build jet engines"

20 years down the line we still won't have anything other than HAL.


Billions to purchase aircraft and not a dime to nurture your own capability.

Socialist maggots like Neggdu and Endara banned participation of Private industry and pushed us back by as decade.
We would have our own decent defence industry better than what we have now.

Still we can't embrace ourselves completely.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Not sure if 42 squadrons are enough in a simultaneous attack over the entire Western, Northern and Eastern sector in a two front war like situation. We will leave gaping holes in our skies.

How many IAF fighters will we have to scramble if 15 squadrons from PAF and PLAAF simultaneously choose to attack targets of their choice?

Thats why we need AD more than squads.

 

[omaebakabaka]

News is being released with deliberate delay so I'm guessing Mountain Strike Corps had arrived already. They wouldn't let it be known unless they were fully operational already
Good evening, Sir.

May I inquire of you something? Are we looking at more involvement of Ethnic Tibetan personnel to rile up the Chinese? Is poking the hornets nest in Tibet on the cards?

Actually for that we need to recognize Tibetan govt in exile

 

[another_armchair]

Thats why we need AD more than squads.

Yup. Plenty of them actually.

 

[another_armchair]

Actually for that we need to recognize Tibetan govt in exile

Won't happen without assurance from the West of military intervention by NATO and allies should PLA crack down mercilessly on hapless Tibetans in TAR.

 

[Jailor]

But US Mic is the only one that can deliver the necessary numbers at a very rapid pace...

US Mic will also kill our wet dream of self sufficiency and having our own Mic,
basically we will keep balancing two weapon daddies who will smack us whenever we don't behave.

Kind of reminds me of disenchanted rulers with weaker armies inviting invaders regularly to attack and defeat there rivals for them and get there pound of kingdom rather than building the CAPABILITY of there own armies.
Not a perfect parallel but you get the point i am making.

 

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[ezsasa]

Here is another thing with this....
Our primary foes are too close and with modern weaponry it is not difficult to destroy forward airbases on both sides. Even if you have squads it is operationally not deployable....this is not ww2 era.....in a situation where we require 42 squads to fight there are more worse scenarios that are likely like missile attacks and so on. What we need is 42 on the max side combined with powerful IADS. Do not tell me we are going to build more airbases to support this idea....

even if we go by your premise, shouldn't there be replacements available inland if forward bases are attacked.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Won't happen without assurance from the West of military intervention by NATO and allies should PLA crack down mercilessly on hapless Tibetans in TAR.

Ab loha garam hai or phir hone wala hai....

Anti-China sentiment is pretty prevalent already....

 

[Synergy]

I think it was in one of the interview of "Patriots" episodes by Gaurav Arya to Vice Marshal Barborosa (sorry about the name)....explicitly asked by Gaurav about 42 squads and fleet replacement. Even Former DM Sitaraman said that 42 is not achievable even if we are ready to write the check....UPA saw to it that fleet is utterly depleted.

lol. what does it mean?

 

[omaebakabaka]

lol. what does it mean?

It means, there is not enough capacity in selling countries to manufacture at that rate.