India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[captscooby81]

The land lost by us in 1962 is more than 16,000 Sq Kms Just north of pangang tso lake alone . Its not 1000 Sq Kms .

The 1000 sqkm magic number being quoted by The Yindoo and congis include the land lost by Bhosadiwale Chacha.

1000 sq km is roughly 250,000 acres, or roughly the area of Hong Kong SAR. You honestly believe we lost that much land since May?

 

[mahesh]

"Then, on the night of August 30, the situation changed dramatically. The Indian Army, accompanied by special forces, occupied five key features along a ridgeline south of the Pangong lake, Helmet, Kala Top, Camel’s Back, Gurung Hill and Requin La. These five strategic features are in an area India considers to be within its perception of the LAC (Line of Actual Control)."

The Tibetan ghost warriors

India wrests high ground in Eastern Ladakh with some help from a secret commando force.

www.indiatoday.in

the finger 8 mentioned in about link, is it accurate? please, someone, confirm. i think it's far deeper into the Chinese territory

 

[tarunraju]

The land lost by us in 1962 was is more than 16,000 Sq Kms Just north of pangang tso lake alone . Its not 1000 Sq Kms .

I didn’t say 1000 sqkm includes all of the land lost in 1962.

 

[Gandaberunda]

the finger 8 mentioned in about link, is it accurate? please, someone, confirm. i think it's far deeper into the Chinese territory

Correct F8 is west of sirijap

 

[Gandaberunda]

China wants may status Quo then we should demand either Apr/sept status Quo.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Our own Grids can be extended to some distance on known or satellite imagery but the enemy are is required to be surveyed one is in that territory especially for accuracy of fire, That is why we have a lot of SATA Regiment. One of their major function is the survey. Besides our Engineers are quite good in the survey (Survey of India is their baby) and many modern methods of survey exist to extend the grid at war footing..

For the information of all members here, Survey of India is not the repository of Military grids.. a special survey deptt exists under Military for such task and Military Grid Maps are Restricted in Classification .. LCA Marked Map is Confidential in classification ...

but look at the confidentially of ITBP ... in their hunger for the publicity they are compromising operational security ...

Looks like its time to castrate ITBP and put them under Army..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Was this the article in TOI that carried the map?

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The map isnt there ...

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Resarches papers on the PLA.

Tejas 2.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Gober times will rant more now western tink tanks getting involved

 

[Bhadra]

CRPF is a worst case scenario. Assam.Rifles, BSF, ITBP are good fighting force. If the need arises we can operationally train them to the needs of the army incorporated into infantry regiments. Those 3 forces can add around 200k extra "able" troops if we remove the flaps on them.
We should invest more in satellites, drones, surveillance equipment and use the army when and where required with precise intelligence.

All three have their operational roles during war, one specific area or border given to them and can not be pulled out from there during war.

The problem is that they can not be trusted and relied upon, not trained and equipped to defend those borders without Army deployment ... BSF or Assam Rifles can not be taken to Ladakh by denuding Paki, Bangladesh and Myanmar borders.. nor the border be left to them during war,,

There is a requirement to mesh them with Army plans, equipment, training and to be officered partially by Army. Communication is the biggest problem. Even in Kashmir valley CRPF and RR can not communicate with each other over radio except on open Motorola..

All these problems can only be overcome if all CAPF recruits including officers are trained by Army, they serve for five to ten years in the Army and then shift to CAPF,,, then they can have one month's annual training under Army ... the similarity of basic weapons, equipment and communication is brought about.

Then only, Army can partially shift their forces from BSF sectors..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China wants may status Quo then we should demand either Apr/sept status Quo.

India should ask for 1961 status quo

 

[mokoman]

Just saw a post on sino forum.

The black top has our monitoring equipment, which is managed and maintained by
the Qiudi Sengela post. The main task is to monitor the Indian army near Finger
2 on the north shore of Pangong Lake and inform the North Shore border post at
any time. CCTV female reporter Wang Juan once accompanied Qiu The patrol
officers and soldiers of the Dijangela post boarded the black top together, and
it was broadcast on the National Defense Military Morning

Also they just got confirmation that Black Top is still in Chinese Hands

Check pic out.

Spoiler

 

[shashankk]

Looks Like blacktop is still under chinese control.

According to senior officials, around 150 PLA troops are deployed at the bump feature with an anti-aircraft gun being moved up the Black Top by the Chinese army on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

PLA faces off Indian Army at two points in Chushul, China talks peace

Although both sides refused to give in an inch of land in Ladakh or occupied Aksai Chin, there were indications and hints towards both the armies returning to the previous positions.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Haldilal]

Just saw a post on sino forum.

The black top has our monitoring equipment, which is managed and maintained by
the Qiudi Sengela post. The main task is to monitor the Indian army near Finger
2 on the north shore of Pangong Lake and inform the North Shore border post at
any time. CCTV female reporter Wang Juan once accompanied Qiu The patrol
officers and soldiers of the Dijangela post boarded the black top together, and
it was broadcast on the National Defense Military Morning

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Also they just got confirmation that Black Top is still in Chinese Hands

Check pic out.

Spoiler

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Ya'll Nibbiars this only proves we are famous. See my name is also there along with the @fire starter and @ezsasa .

 

[Cheran]

 

[Suryavanshi]

US Intelligence agencies.

Organization	Parent Organization	Federal Department	Date est.
Sixteenth Air Force	United States Air Force	Defense	1948
Intelligence and Security Command	United States Army	Defense	1977
Central Intelligence Agency	none	Independent agency	1947
Coast Guard Intelligence	United States Coast Guard	Homeland Security	1915
Defense Intelligence Agency	United States Department of Defense	Defense	1961
Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence	United States Department of Energy	Energy	1977
Office of Intelligence and Analysis	United States Department of Homeland Security	Homeland Security	2007
Bureau of Intelligence and Research	United States Department of State	State	1945
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence	United States Department of the Treasury	Treasury	2004
Office of National Security Intelligence	Drug Enforcement Administration	Justice	2006
Intelligence Branch	Federal Bureau of Investigation	Justice	2005
Marine Corps Intelligence Activity	United States Marine Corps	Defense	1978
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency	United States Department of Defense	Defense	1996
National Reconnaissance Office	United States Department of Defense	Defense	1961
National Security Agency/Central Security Service	United States Department of Defense	Defense	1952
Office of Naval Intelligence	United States Navy	Defense	1882

These are the actually know ones combined with bazillions of Think tanks, Survey groups, College Research group and its IT industry.
Just goes to show u the importance of intelligence network.

For a country like us that has 1.4 billion population, hostile porous border and internal instability we need to do more on this front.

 

[shashankk]

One thing is for sue that chinese were feeling lots of heat for new about Black Top being captured by India thats why all this reporter coming there to verify and pacify citizens on their national TV.
What if we manage to capture something really strategic place.

 

[avknight1408]

Mods have deleted my post carrying that TOI image of map. My apologies for sharing sensitive info.
Didn't know it's seriousness. Just shared as I found it on TOI site.

 

[mahesh]

Correct F8 is west of sirijap

as I read, all these time here in this forum, about the finger 8's location, it was not.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Just saw a post on sino forum.

The black top has our monitoring equipment, which is managed and maintained by
the Qiudi Sengela post. The main task is to monitor the Indian army near Finger
2 on the north shore of Pangong Lake and inform the North Shore border post at
any time. CCTV female reporter Wang Juan once accompanied Qiu The patrol
officers and soldiers of the Dijangela post boarded the black top together, and
it was broadcast on the National Defense Military Morning

View attachment 58151

View attachment 58162


Also they just got confirmation that Black Top is still in Chinese Hands

Check pic out.

Spoiler

View attachment 58164

Well ezsasa is a star .. Chinese are seriously munching on your quotes.. Time for some psyops on the chinese..