India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

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In A War With China, Where Should The U.S. Army Put Its Thousand-Mile Cannons?

The U. S. Army is trying to figure out what role it might play in the fighting if China attacks Taiwan or grabs disputed territory in the China Seas. A thousand-mile cannon the Army is developing could be the key.

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In A War With China, Where Should The U.S. Army Put Its Thousand-Mile Cannons?

The Strategic Long-Range Cannon and the hypersonic missile could boast similar ranges. Which makes a 2019 study by the California think-tank RAND applicable to both. RAND surveyed potential bases in South Korea, Japan and the Philippines for Army units packing 750-mile-range rockets.

 

[tharikiran]

my eyes are hurting. From Sunny Leone to Johnny Sins to Mia Khalifa, and now this!!

Bhai eye drops hi daal lo.. araam milega..

 

[cereal killer]

Many here in the forum are not realizing that India too all along the border can go in and squat in Chinese territory and place the ball in the Chinese court to react. They will do jack shit about it. It's a card, we will not play till all options are used up. If Chinese fire first, we will clean up areas occupied by them. It's simple as that.
Galwan, happened. We lost soldiers, they lost more than double. They are watching and waiting for us to make the move. The relations and rules of engagement between India and China on the border has been to talk it out and not fire bullets. The same is being given a chance as of now.

Whether skirmish happens in winter or we go in and squat some time later after all options are used up; we have to wait and see and not do dhoti shivering.

If war happens and Pakistan makes one false move, it will be busted up big time. It will face the wrath of the Indian army as it will be fighting for survival. Like a cornered cat.

Lol this is all talk. In reality India will be desperate to keep western front silent through both US & Arab countries pressure.

At the moment both India & China are trying to calculate & push the D day back & prepare.
First wave of Chinese attack is likely going to be BM's & CM's. That's their strong suit.
Our main targets are going to PLAAF bases. Air superiority will be critical.

 

[johnq]

Agree with Chellaney here. At the moment we are just pleading them to go back. Chinese are waiting if India has any ace up its sleeve. But I guess not many options are left for India.

India does have an ace: All it has to do is wait for the true reaction of the west to China's pandemic after the vaccines are out. The ones who know the truth about the pandemic are not simply going to let it go, regardless of what is admitted publicly.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Get ready for a volley of articles how Indian beureucracy by its jaadooi Shakti/chai biscoot/shakalaka boom boom pencil managed to move China back (but which will be disproven by satellite images but by then their objective will be met) just so that GoI can run and attend the Russian Summit just like MEA ran to attend RIC meet.

Looking for a face saving going on now so that they can attend the summit.

 

[ezsasa]

Excellent point to ponder upon.
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Japan's F-15 fleet is getting worn out due to heightened Chinese air activity. India is going to face semi-hot/tense borders throughout this decade. We need the Tejas in serious numbers to maintain our posture. Can't have Su-30MKIs & Rafales pulling alerts all the time.

 

[Sarjen]

Then, there would not have been any war in history dude.. since you can never be 100 percent sure.
Not that I advocate a war.. My expression was about Baba shamelessly trying to garner more eyeballs or followers with his Nautanki

He's telling the truth,, you can't go to war due to emotions.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Well this article more or less sums it up.

Can India economically decouple itself from China?

Boycotts of Chinese goods echo fight for economic independence from UK

asia.nikkei.com

And this type of article is print?!!

This is how China deployed psy-war after Ladakh. And why India isn’t replying

The LAC is not the only place India has to fight China. We can’t be silent and let Chinese psy-ops manipulate truth.

theprint.in

 

[johnq]

Excellent point to ponder upon.
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Japan's F-15 fleet is getting worn out due to heightened Chinese air activity. India is going to face semi-hot/tense borders throughout this decade. We need the Tejas in serious numbers to maintain our posture. Can't have Su-30MKIs & Rafales pulling alerts all the time.

The Tejas can actually carry more than some other aircraft in IAF when taking off from high altitude airfields like Leh due to its lower wing loading. I would recommend a squadron of Tejas at every high altitude airfield on the border.

 

[Haldilal]

The Tejas can actually carry more than some other aircraft in IAF when taking off from high altitude airfields like Leh due to its lower wing loading. I would recommend a squadron of Tejas at every high altitude airfield on the border.

Right nigga but we only have a full strength squadron of 16 and other squadron only has 4 to 8 Tejas with recent news of a tejas squadron deployed in Western border. Hard to deploy any tejas squadron on the eastern border.

 

[ezsasa]

The Tejas can actually carry more than some other aircraft in IAF when taking off from high altitude airfields like Leh due to its lower wing loading. I would recommend a squadron of Tejas at every high altitude airfield on the border.

Not just Tejas, if you look at it from Saurav Jha's angle all four Tejas, Tejas Mk1A ,Tejas Mk2 & AMCA should no longer miss their timelines. maybe even a twin engine work horse that sits in between Tejas Mk2 & AMCA categories.

 

[johnq]

The high altitude factor is also why we need the LCH, the Apache was not built for operating from high altitudes.

 

[johnq]

Well this article more or less sums it up.

Can India economically decouple itself from China?

Boycotts of Chinese goods echo fight for economic independence from UK

asia.nikkei.com

And this type of article is print?!!

This is how China deployed psy-war after Ladakh. And why India isn’t replying

The LAC is not the only place India has to fight China. We can’t be silent and let Chinese psy-ops manipulate truth.

theprint.in

I've suspected for a while that much of the portrayal of China's military is hot air psyops, and in real warfare it would get destroyed, much like Galwan. The Chinese art of war is to win without a fight by simply intimidating the enemy into withdrawing, and then occupying more land. I hope India's government and military can see through this, and decimate the Chinese occupation at a time of their choosing.

 

[doreamon]

Fantastic. Now all we have to do is spot it on our radar, and scream to the world that the J-20's stealth abilities are shit.

they use Luneburg lenses . So sukhoi capturing it frm distance is not a really a big deal ..Canards are its drawback but it can come much closer undetected if its nt performing any maneuver . if it can carry pl15 in its inner pylon ( not sure) its quiet a capable aircraft .

 

[johnq]

they use Luneburg lenses . So sukhoi capturing it frm distance is not a really a big deal ..Canards are its drawback but it can come much closer undetected if its nt performing any maneuver . With pl15 its quiet a capable aircraft .

Those canards are moving constantly even in level flight, and some of the angles on the canards are not good for stealth, so I doubt it is nearly as stealthy as the western birds. Besides that, even if it is low rcs in the x-band, it can still be tracked by longer wave radar such as UHF, VHF, or the L-band AWACS that IAF operates. Once it is tracked using long wave radar, it can be shot at by fighters' missiles either using their datalink tracking information from long wave radars and AWACS, or their own IRST. Although I suspect that many of the IAF fighters will be able to track it on radar, given the long ranges of the IAF fighter radars, and the fact that the J-20 will be operating in icy conditions (ice formation is a stealth killer). Especially with all the IAF fighters that can use terrain-following to mask themselves from Chinese radars in the Himalayas, the J-20 can be ambushed and shot down.

 

[LDev]

Excellent point to ponder upon.
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Japan's F-15 fleet is getting worn out due to heightened Chinese air activity. India is going to face semi-hot/tense borders throughout this decade. We need the Tejas in serious numbers to maintain our posture. Can't have Su-30MKIs & Rafales pulling alerts all the time.

Japan's F-15s will be supplemented by the 147 F-35s they have ordered. Also 98 of the 230 F-15Js they have will be upgraded almost to the F-15EX standard and they will be able to then use attack munitions such as the JASSM (Joint Attack Standoff Missile) as well as the in-development hypersonic (Mach 7-20) ARRW missile which will be integrated with the F-15s. Unlike Russian aircraft which have very low MTBF for engines and relatively low air-frame hours (5000-6000 hours), the F-15EX is now certified for 20,000 hours of air-frame life.

So Japan will continue to be well prepared on the air defence front.

 

[scatterStorm]

Excellent point to ponder upon.
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Japan's F-15 fleet is getting worn out due to heightened Chinese air activity. India is going to face semi-hot/tense borders throughout this decade. We need the Tejas in serious numbers to maintain our posture. Can't have Su-30MKIs & Rafales pulling alerts all the time.

Solid copy. Here the no. of Rafael's doesn't matter, because 36 aren't going to cut in. Tejas M1, M2 is the need for the impending war. But I am just wondering what we will do if they attack us in winter. Because currently no. is in there favor.

 

[tarunraju]

they use Luneburg lenses . So sukhoi capturing it frm distance is not a really a big deal ..Canards are its drawback but it can come much closer undetected if its nt performing any maneuver . if it can carry pl15 in its inner pylon ( not sure) its quiet a capable aircraft .

That may be true, but what I'm suggesting is a media circus shitting on the J-20. It's a psy-op opportunity that should reach chicom public and annoy the shit out of CCP, PLAAF, and Gobar Times.

Basically telling the aam-cheeni "We see your J-20, and so do our meteors."

 

[ezsasa]

Solid copy. Here the no. of Rafael's doesn't matter, because 36 aren't going to cut in. Tejas M1, M2 is the need for the impending war. But I am just wondering what we will do if they attack us in winter. Because currently no. is in there favor.

His emphasis is not on current escalation, but for the next decade.

When an military confrontation does happen, it’s all hands on deck anyways.

As India will continue to build its economy & infrastructure on Chinese border, CCP will continue to provoke every now and then. as an aggressor they need not fly CAPS close to our border, but as a defender IAF will have to fly CAPS whenever there is High alert like how it is happening now and because majority of the IAF inventory are non-interceptors, in the long run these high alerts will eat into the life of air-superiority & multirole fighters.

 

[cereal killer]

Looks like Depsang is now hot topic in Chai Biscuit sessions. If India does not want situation to escalate too much then we have to occupy chinese territory. Maybe in Arunachal or Sikkim.

PLA still at LAC, India plans new ways to counter China’s wolf-warrior diplomacy

The situation in the Gogra-Hot Springs area near Kongka La is no different -- the PLA is where it transgressed, with an objective to come up to the Kugrang River, a tributary of the Shyok River.

m.hindustantimes.com