India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[johnq]

India or Nepal should not fall into the Chinese trap. The Chinese are using all means including intimidation and bribes to get Nepal into their camp, but India should fight to keep Nepal on its side, otherwise it would be a strategic loss for india.

 

[johnq]

The Chinese are bluffing, which is why they insist that neither side start a firefight, as it helps them take over more land without losing soldiers. When the bullets start flying they will start losing. After the Covid crisis is over, India will call their bluff.

 

[fire starter]

 

[cereal killer]

Exactly people on this forum who are thinking of what's happening in nepal as a short term or knee-jerk effect are failing to see the systematic intolerance that is growing against Indians and Hindus in general.

Bangladesh hasn't started making big moves against India due to hasina but once she is gone people here will again be surprised on how this happened.

The problem is that both the people of nepal and bangladesh have failed to understand how generous India has been to them throughout their history.

Nepalis who come to India enjoy great access to our institutions and jobs alike while their govt enjoys huge amount of aid and development money from our govt.

All this has resulted in them taking us for granted and not being able to appreciate the help we have provided them with.

They have simply grown egoistic and now view such things as their rights and not something that was given to them on kindness.

India should and India has in fact in the past shown that it can stop it's generosity and cause problems if troubled too much.

Let them land on the ground and understand how good we have been to them all that time let them realize what they have lost and what more they can lose once that happens you will see things change real fast.

People here advocating for even stronger economic ties and more aid must understand that you are feeding a spoilt child he will continue to take everything but never appreciate it.

In case of nepal it's more like saanp ko dudh pilana.

It'd interesting to note how come US managed to keep its neighbouring countries under its thumb even before 2nd world war. Even though India is no US & our neighbourhood is quite diverse. But still I think we have done not too bad.
Looking at the current scenario we desperately need to bash either Pakistan like 71 or China in coming years to send a message in South Asia.
All these Bangla Nepalis lankans will come to their senses after that.

 

[mokoman]

It'd interesting to note how come US managed to keep its neighbouring countries under its thumb even before 2nd world war. Even though India is no US & our neighbourhood is quite diverse. But still I think we have done not too bad.
Looking at the current scenario we desperately need to bash either Pakistan like 71 or China in coming years to send a message in South Asia.
All these Bangla Nepalis lankans will come to their senses after that.

China/India needs to bash the other guy to become big boss in South Asia . No way around it .

Lets hope we are ready for next match.


If we can fight a battle with the Chinese , even to a stalemate , our international status will grow.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

It'd interesting to note how come US managed to keep its neighbouring countries under its thumb even before 2nd world war. Even though India is no US & our neighbourhood is quite diverse. But still I think we have done not too bad.
Looking at the current scenario we desperately need to bash either Pakistan like 71 or China in coming years to send a message in South Asia.
All these Bangla Nepalis lankans will come to their senses after that.

Only solution is to bang the chinese.. and not allow them to save face.. Broadcast worldwide pictures of PLA dead .. and pow.. and capture territory.. that should neuter Bangla Nepalis lankans

 

[Knowitall]

China/India needs to bash the other guy to become big boss in South Asia . No way around it .

Lets hope we are ready for next match.


If we can fight a battle with the Chinese , even to a stalemate , our international status will grow.

Just one battle one decisive battle against china is all we need to become the unchallenged superpower of Asia.

Every single country will start towing our line soon after.

 

[jackhammer2]

I would personally prefer mild sanctions on nepal to bring them back in line but we are too busy doing roti-beti nonsense.

If going after hawala to punish Chinese is not just a one time thing and govt is actually serious about it then this move alone will punish both Chinese and Nepalis together.
People often underestimate exactly how much money moves through such illegal practices, not to mention these are often payments for smuggled Chinese goods again via Nepal.
A good part of Nehru place sell these smuggled Chinese goods and moves money through hawala network .

 

[mokoman]

Next big thing

Arms embargo on Iran to expire this october.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...extend-arms-embargo-iran-200812095318765.html

If the embargo is lifted, the US Defense Intelligence Agency predicted in 2019 that Iran likely would try to purchase Russian Su-30 fighter jets, Yak-130 trainer aircraft, and T-90 tanks.

Tehran also may try to buy Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft missile system and its Bastian coastal defence missile system,

China wont agree to extending the arms embargo on Iran,and will likely sell what ever they can to the iranians.

Things not looking very good for Israel .

 

[cereal killer]

China/India needs to bash the other guy to become big boss in South Asia . No way around it .

Lets hope we are ready for next match.


If we can fight a battle with the Chinese , even to a stalemate , our international status will grow.

If India manages to hold off China & causes it massive losses in a border war, The world will be shaken up. Indian Armed forces will get the attention they deserve. China's plans to expand its power in Middle east & South Asia would be shattered.

 

[Sanglamorre]

All these fantasies require one essential step: an Indian govt actually willing to defend and go to war.

 

[Bhurki]

China has effectively wrested few points from India.
India is in a bind to respond, but no option has yet worked ( diplomatic, economical).
So, China essentially has concluded a successful fait accompli, as of present.

 

[ezsasa]

It'd interesting to note how come US managed to keep its neighbouring countries under its thumb even before 2nd world war. Even though India is no US & our neighbourhood is quite diverse. But still I think we have done not too bad.
Looking at the current scenario we desperately need to bash either Pakistan like 71 or China in coming years to send a message in South Asia.
All these Bangla Nepalis lankans will come to their senses after that.

Americans did it by becoming the no.1 consumer of goods/services produced by their neighbours, their neighbours are so dependant on US for their economy that they cannot afford to piss off the Americans.

 

[prasadr14]

China has effectively wrested few points from India.
India is in a bind to respond, but no option has yet worked ( diplomatic, economical).
So, China essentially has concluded a successful fait accompli, as of present.

If there are the only responses, then yes...
What makes you think India has finished with it's options?

 

[jackhammer2]

Americans did it by becoming the no.1 consumer of goods/services produced by their neighbours, their neighbours are so dependant on US for their economy that they cannot afford to piss off the Americans.

Then whats stopping us from doing the same with Nepalis aren't they dependant on us?
Does US allow citizens of neighbouring countries to apply for postions in govt institutions ? Really are we that brain dead or just scared to apply pressure?

 

[Sanglamorre]

If there are the only responses, then yes...
What makes you think India has finished with it's options?

MEA Jaishankar's statements that sound like a phattu begging for mercy in fancy words after getting beat.

Yes, that's what the statements sound like now.

China out there saying onus is on India, and out MEA meekly begging and hoping China works together and doesn't hurt it too much.

 

[Bhurki]

If there are the only responses, then yes...
What makes you think India has finished with it's options?

I didn't say India's options are finished, thats why 'as of present'. I just said whatever has been done has been insufficient to make China retreat.
That really says something about the non military power that India can project.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Then whats stopping us from doing the same with Nepalis aren't they dependant on us?
Does US allow citizens of neighbouring countries to apply for postions in govt institutions ? Really are we that brain dead or just scared to apply pressure?

Didn't you hear Rajnath Singh? They're hoping Nepal eats the roti and takes the beti. That's it. That's the grand strategy.

 

[Knowitall]

Americans did it by becoming the no.1 consumer of goods/services produced by their neighbours, their neighbours are so dependant on US for their economy that they cannot afford to piss off the Americans.

I will say this is oversimplifying things by a huge margin.

The history of coups done by the US the attacks the conversion of mexico into a broken country. Using military force to support their own companies.

You might have heard about the famous UFC incident in guatemala.

They have done a lot to convert their neighborhood into their backyard.

 

[jackhammer2]

Didn't you hear Rajnath Singh? They're hoping Nepal eats the roti and takes the beti. That's it. That's the grand strategy.

At this point i'm hoping that we may have some grand strategy to just overwhelm them with softpower and make them join us (its not working obviously but even the existence of such a strat would give me some hope) . Chinese offers some money and easily buys everyone and here Nepal's entire existence depends upon decisions made in New Delhi yet they bite us at every opportunity they get.