India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[garg_bharat]

Delhi mumbai shd be done on emergency basis . Rest can wait.

I believe offensive capability is better than defensive. An Agni costs only 50 crore while a ballistic defence battery will cost thousands of crore per city. MAD is a beautiful concept.

All we need is around 1000 deployed warheads.

 

[garg_bharat]

Their logic seems skewed, like take
Point 1) On contrary to china's expectation we are now ramping up our border infra development speed
Point 2) TBH there's not enough evidence to back this claim, since it seems we are now realising how impactful a strong navy can be so there's goes their second dream
Point 3) Again, considering how things are going, they have achieved contrary to what they wanted, QUAD is closer to the reality than ever
Point 4) Yeah, I agree with that but not entirely since, among these, Vietnam gained the most, so why not attack subdue Vietnam?
Point 5) Don't they already control their public or narrative? But I agree, from what it seems Xi wants to use this even as an opportunity to kindle the flame of nationalism to get public behind him, from the report it seems there were few disapproving voices among CPC and Chinese community.
Point 6) I agree with that, this point is where we are seeing some action, but if QUAD attacks or takes any action then they will loose their face, but again dream of QUAD attacking is very unlikely, hell we don't even know if we will go for war.

Quad concept is now a reality, at least in intelligence sharing. However intelligence sharing is a big deal for India.

Quad will make a huge difference in Indian ocean region, making Indian shipping safer.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Atrocities on Uighurs Muslims: China asks Orders Pakistan to manage negative sentiments domestically

Atrocities on Uighurs Muslims: China asks Pakistan to manage negative sentiments domestically

Chinese mission in Islamabad has asked Pakistani authorities to manage negative sentiments domestically when it comes to atrocities on Uighurs Muslims which could take a toll on bilateral ties. Pakistani authorities had done an internal study to gauge the public mood on the atrocities against...

zeenews.india.com

he report found that religious journals in Pakistan have been talking about it vocally and widely covering the situation in the westernmost Chinese province which one journal described as "police state". The main objective of the Pakistani assessment was to manage the reaction and control any activity that may cause embarrassment for both Pakistan and China on the Uyghur issue. Journals like Ishraq, Ahl-E-Hadith, Mohaddis, Peyam, Al Burhan, Al Aitisam, Uswah Hasana and Tarjuman Ul Quran have been discussing the matter since November 2019. The story was first broke by WION on Friday.

The report was handed over to the Chinese mission, with the mission seeking more feedback on the matter. The Chinese mission in Pakistan is worried about the religious sections of Pakistani society, which are considered not only staunch but uncompromising. It sees the role of mainstream English media such as Dawn who have reported on China's expanding sphere of influence also concerning. While major mainstream media in Pakistan have been focusing on growing cooperation and goodwill between Islamabad and Beijing, "certain English media" gives space to disturbing news from China, the mission has discussed with Pakistani authorities.


Feedback on Urdu media has been asked, as religious segments rely on Urdu media for information. When it comes to Urdu media versus English media, the Chinese mission believes the latter caters only to a certain section of the elite and doesn't have a significant role in shaping public opinion.

What the Chinese mission seeks to understand is if concerns regarding Xinjiang are taking "shape of emotions" and this could be detrimental to the interest of both countries, especially with the mega infrastructure project China Pakistan Economic Corridor or CPEC passing through the South Asian country.

Both sides have concurred that "chances of emotions taking shape" may increase as western sources give more reportage to the crisis in Xinjiang but with documentary evidence. The Chinese response to western stories on Xinjiang is not seen as convincing and one that is lacking transparency. For example, while initially, China denied that acknowledge the presence of detention centres, Beijing later adjusted its position to pronounce them as re-education and de-radicalisation centres.


People to people connectivity is another aspect the Chinese mission has asked feedback on as Pakistanis might be forming personal opinions and getting information first hand. One is the frequent visit of people from Pakistan to Urumqi, Kashgar in Xinjiang with some married to Uighur Muslims and concerned about the safety of their families. Another is increased connect between Pakistani and Turkish nationals at the public and official level and that might get expose the former with Uighur right activities.

Feedback has also been asked on current questions being raised on the silence of Pakistani nationals over conditions of Uighurs vis a vis being vocal on "other communities such as in Palestine or Kashmir." Pakistani Establishment and Prime Minister Imran Khan have been silent on Uighur issue and when asked have been muted to any criticism against "all-weather" ally China.

 

[garg_bharat]

we will not lose one inch of territory we need stop thinking defensively and think offensively. How can we force Chinese out of Tibet??

As I said before, parties are in holding mode due to high stakes US Elections.
Indian decision to hold fire may also be driven by difficulty of holding the land even if Chinese are pushed back. The hostilities once started will be difficult to contain.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Escalation Hogaya Kya?

 

[Tuco]

Escalation Hogaya Kya?

D kahan gaya?

 

[utubekhiladi]

D kahan gaya?

now only escalation will happen.

 

[Tuco]

now only escalation will happen.

. Still chai biscuit in on. So lets wait and watch...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

As Mountain Standoff With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

The Chinese air force apparently has deployed bombers to an air base in the country’s far west, placing the warplanes within striking distance of Indian forces along the disputed Chinese-Indian border in the Himalayas.

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As Mountain Stand-Off With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

 

[Sanglamorre]

As Mountain Standoff With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

The Chinese air force apparently has deployed bombers to an air base in the country’s far west, placing the warplanes within striking distance of Indian forces along the disputed Chinese-Indian border in the Himalayas.

www.google.com

As Mountain Stand-Off With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

Is it kinda suspicious that no publications talk about what we staged like they talk about China?

I have a feeling India and other countries are controlling the information on what we have out there, and that's good.

 

[utubekhiladi]

As Mountain Standoff With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

The Chinese air force apparently has deployed bombers to an air base in the country’s far west, placing the warplanes within striking distance of Indian forces along the disputed Chinese-Indian border in the Himalayas.

www.google.com

As Mountain Stand-Off With India Continues, China Stages Bombers And Cruise Missiles

exactly 1.5 days ago on this thread, i called out that its matter of time before Chinese use the heavy bombers.. i also emphasized that we also need to have indigenous heavy bombers.

 

[utubekhiladi]

does anyone know or perhaps a wild guess on whats being discussed, negotiated, offered and counter offered etc on all this prolonged chai biscuit session;.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Is it kinda suspicious that no publications talk about what we staged like they talk about China?

I have a feeling India and other countries are controlling the information on what we have out there, and that's good.

I wonder how effective bombers and cruise Missiles can be on a region like the himalayas? Not much imo

 

[utubekhiladi]

I wonder how effective bombers and cruise Missiles can be on a region like the himalayas? Not much imo

@LETHALFORCE

these kind of bombers are used for area denials and area destructions. for example, the bombers can be used to destroy enemy airbases, enemy camps, civilians structures and populations, enemy forward positions, the reserves and ammo storage.

if i was Chinese general, then i will use the h6 heavies to take out

• leh airbase
• dbo airbase
• take out INDIA army camp where modi and rakhsha mantri gave out that infamous speech in ladakh,
• carpet bomb finger 2, 3
• carpet bomb mirror formation at depsang plains.
• carpet bomb other storage and dumps and reserves.
• etc

it won't be easy for the bombers to break our air-defense but if they do, then ...

 

[Sridhar_TN]

exactly 1.5 days ago on this thread, i called out that its matter of time before Chinese use the heavy bombers.. i also emphasized that we also need to have indigenous heavy bombers.

What is the point of heavy bombers if we can shoot them down easily. They can only be utilized after achieving air superiority. The chinks are not fighting against Afghanistan or Iraq.

These bombers would be an ideal target for missiles like the meteor. I really don’t see the use of these bombers. The moment they take off and head towards Indian airspace, rafales of sukhois will be scrambled.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

@LETHALFORCE

these kind of bombers are used for area denials and area destructions. for example, the bombers can be used to destroy enemy airbases, enemy camps, civilians structures and populations, enemy forward positions, the reserves and ammo storage.

if i was Chinese general, then i will use the h6 heavies to take out

• leh airbase
• dbo airbase
• take out INDIA army camp where modi and rakhsha mantri gave out that infamous speech in ladakh,
• carpet bomb finger 2, 3
• carpet bomb mirror formation at depsang plains.
• carpet bomb other storage and dumps and reserves.
• etc

it won't be easy for the bombers to break our air-defense but if they do, then ...

That can only be done if they achieve air superiority in the region. Problem is they can’t achieve that. If i was a Chinese General, I would be very worried about sending these into battle. Because if I lose a strategic bomber, that’s a huge morale killer.

Unless these are stealth bombers like the B2 or low flying low observable bombers like the B1, these slow moving targets can be easily taken out of the sky. Again, this isn’t Afghanistan or Iraq they are fighting against.

Also to target civilian populations, why send a slow moving target like these bombers when I can send a volley of cruise missiles thousands of kilometers away.

 

[garg_bharat]

now only escalation will happen.

Since you bought options, you are very optimistic.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

I wonder how effective bombers and cruise Missiles can be on a region like the himalayas? Not much imo

Wouldn’t it be awesome if all these assets get destroyed in a war scenario. Imagine the loss of face that could possibly be inflicted. Hope the IA and IAF have all possible battle plans drawn up. Surely they have.

 

[garg_bharat]

That can only be done if they achieve air superiority in the region. Problem is they can’t achieve that. If i was a Chinese General, I would be very worried about sending these into battle. Because if I lose a strategic bomber, that’s a huge morale killer.

Unless these are stealth bombers like the B2 or low flying low observable bombers like the B1, these slow moving targets can be easily taken out of the sky. Again, this isn’t Afghanistan or Iraq they are fighting against.

Also to target civilian populations, why send a slow moving target like these bombers when I can send a volley of cruise missiles thousands of kilometers away.

Maybe they think they can achieve air superiority over Ladakh. We should watch them carefully and try to work own plans in such a way that their objectives are not achieved.

Since this region is hard to access, their objective would be to cut off Indian troops and then bombard the Indian positions heavily. I think India would need American help at some point to destroy their Tibet and Xinxiang airbases.

The problem with Ladakh is that withdrawal of forces is very tough. Indian forces need to dig in to protect their supplies.

 

[cyclops]

Nasty leftist newspapers in India nuthugging for the chicoms.