India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Blue Water Navy]

@ARVION Thaand rakh vai, kitna post aur karoge ekdin mein?!

And to the friends in US. Please everybody know that we Indians support Trump bhau. If not then Mike Pompeo for the president.
@utubekhiladi @Kumata please circulate in the correct circles.

 

[utubekhiladi]

@ARVION Thaand rakh vai, kitna post aur karoge ekdin mein?!

And to the friends in US. Please everybody know that we Indians support Trump bhau. If not then Mike Pompeo for the president.
@utubekhiladi @Kumata please circulate in the correct circles.

Too bad, Trump is loosing all opinion pools.

 

[ezsasa]

I didn't read this properly few hours back.
Australia urges restraint
Why TF the aussie ambassador is getting off script..
what else are we doing other than restraint & bilaterally-agreed principles, if not there would have been war by now.
MEA should give it back to aussie ambassador at appropriate time.
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“Australia urges restraint along the Line of Actual Control, & supports continued moves towards de-escalation. It's important that the bilaterally-agreed principles & norms that helped prevent escalation in the border areas over many decades continue to be observed.”

 

[ARVION]

Attack with a whole different assortment of weapons. Glide bombs would also be
good for this base.

We will require as I stated before on the Shaksgam thread , that we will also need a diversion mission to the Ngari airport near Pangong lake in the tibete's . So the chineses will be diverated the south , then the diversion formation just need to call off the mission while giving enough time for the real mission toward's the Hotan's to succeed, the hotan is almost 500 KM in the straights line's , but would require a 1,000 KM path in the north from the LEH's then to the south's toward's the Hotan's in order to escape the Chinese's radar's through the mountain's at a low altitude's .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I didn't read this properly few hours back.
Australia urges restraint
Why TF the aussie ambassador is getting off script..
what else are we doing other than restraint & bilaterally-agreed principles, if not there would have been war by now.
MEA should give it back to aussie ambassador at appropriate time.
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“Australia urges restraint along the Line of Actual Control, & supports continued moves towards de-escalation. It's important that the bilaterally-agreed principles & norms that helped prevent escalation in the border areas over many decades continue to be observed.”

Chinese are threatening them with complete annihilation so they are taking the neutral peace route?

 

[rajkumar singh]

We will require as I stated before on the Shaksgam thread , that we will also need a diversion mission to the Ngari airport near Pangong lake in the tibete's . So the chineses will be dieverated the south , then the diversion formation just need to call off the mission while giving enough time for the real mission toward's the Hotan's to succeed, the hotan is almost 500 KM in the straights line's , but would require a 1,000 KM path in the north from the LEH's then to the youth's toward's the Hotan's in order to escape the Chinese's radar's through the mountain's at a low altitude's .

 

[utubekhiladi]

Attack with a whole different assortment of weapons. Glide bombs would also be
good for this base.

The strategy should be simple, we don't have to destroy and level the entire airbase in single attack... We simply have to make sure that the birds don't take off in first wave.

So bomb all known runways and anything else that look like a runway. Runway denial bombs are iaf speciality. Its part of all iaf vayu shakti shows since 2010.

And once runway are destroyed, you do mutiple mission sorties untill all other important structures are destroyed.

I have already called that we lack a strategic heavy bombers. Heavy bombers can level large airbase in no-time

 

[ARVION]

The strategy should be simple, we don't have to destroy and level the entire airbase in single attack... We simply have to make sure that the birds don't take off in first wave.

So bomb all known runways and anything else that look like a runway. Runway denial bombs are iaf speciality. Its part of all iaf vayu shakti shows since 2010.

And once runway are destroyed, you do mutiple mission sorties untill all other important structures are destroyed.

I have already called that we lack a strategic heavy bombers. Heavy bombers can level large airbase in no-time

That's what I talked about first formation taking the runway's with the SAAW's and the Second weave's taking the HAS's and the other's Infracture's . As I stated on the Shaksgam Threade's .

 

[utubekhiladi]

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The strategy should be simple, we don't have to destroy and level the entire airbase in single attack... We simply have to make sure that the birds don't take off in first wave.

So bomb all known runways and anything else that look like a runway. Runway denial bombs are iaf speciality. Its part of all iaf vayu shakti shows since 2010.

And once runway are destroyed, you do mutiple mission sorties untill all other important structures are destroyed.

I have already called that we lack a strategic heavy bombers. Heavy bombers can level large airbase in no-time

Update: those are not h6 bombers.. becausr h6 bomber have jet engine and not turbos

Correct me if wrong, those 2 heavies on the right end side looks like h6 bombers. If things escalate, that's their weapon of choice to neutralize leh airbase among other airbases close to the border

Iaf seriously need to develop home made heavy bombers

Update: those are not h6 heavies, but some other plane. H6 plane have jet engine and not props

 

[ARVION]

Correct me if wrong, those 2 heavies on the right end side looks like h6 bombers. If things escalate, that's their weapon of choice to neutralize leh airbase among other airbases close to the border

Iaf seriously need to develop home made heavy bombers .

No , still now not a single H6K bomber is spotted near the LAC's most are stationed deep in the UAR's Air Statione's.

 

[Lancer]

Why actually do it? just say PAK did it .
No one is actually coming in person to check.

Need at least a somewhat believable story. And in cases like this, sometimes third parties/neutral arbiters do try to barge in and verify shit.

If in that setting, we can establish that at least an attack occured without any doubt. Then let the world community debate and decide who to believe like they did between Assad and the Rebels re: the chemical attack(s).

We definitely have far more credibility than Pak in the world community.

 

[ARVION]

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@rajkumar singh ji's

Actually , Four KJ 500's are stationed there accourding to some report's , but in that image Two are KJ 500's and the remaining two are probably the KQ 200's spy aircraft's . Like this stationed in the Fire Cross reef's in the South China Seas .

 

[SimplyIndian]

I don't think anybody will ever have any confusion regarding superiority of Rafale over secondhand F16/F18s (or even firsthand F16/F18).

point is, will we be able to afford Rafale (114+) without disturbing other requirements? if yes then good, else we've to deal with 32/34 squadrons till mwf, orca etc comes into picture and I don't think that time frame is less than 15 years (or 12 yrs, very very very best case scenario)

Yes we can. May not 114+ but 72 more for sure.

 

[rajkumar singh]

@rajkumar singh ji's

Actually Four KJ 500's are stationed there accourding to some report's , but in that image Two are KJ 500's and the remaining two are probably the KQ 200's spy aircraft's . Like this stationed in the Fire Cross reef's in the South China Seas .

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Thanks for clarity sir. Will amend accordingly.

 

[UZI™️]

What's the current progress report of Tejas-MK2 development?

 

[Synergy]

Yes we can. May not 114+ but 72 more for sure.

that's great.

but afaik, actually we need 180+ birds to cover our sanctioned squadron strength. it will widen in the near future.

and now China has way more planes than the time when this 42 squadron requirement was fixed.

 

[UZI™️]

 

[Synergy]

What's the current progress report of Tejas-MK2 development?

somewhere I saw, probably first flight in 2023 (please correct me).

 

[WARREN SS]

What's the current progress report of Tejas-MK2 development?

BC MK1A toh aaya nahi abhi tak
Which has no design and structural changes
Just in add-on

They talking about MWF which need
Complete redesign of the Aircraft and its
Wind tunnel model testing and Simulations
With GE F414
Then there is IOC & FOC

Well he's is putting to much of the trust on
HAL
Which already has 2 different aircraft project management along with this

 

[UZI™️]

somewhere I saw, probably first flight in 2023 (please correct me).

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), India’s public-sector aerospace giant, is currently working on three indigenous fighter jets — Tejas Mk2, Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter derived from the naval version of the LCA, and the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Speaking to Livefist, Chairman and Managing Director of HAL, R Madhavan, has said that the prototypes of the three fighters will be ready in the next four years.

“So first the LCA Mk2 will come out, and then the TEDBF and then AMCA. Prototypes of all three will be out within 3-4 years,” Madhavan said in the interview, adding that HAL was looking at a seven to eight year time-frame for ‘each of these aircraft getting airborne’.

LCA Mk2
Contrary to what its name suggests, LCA Mk2, a significantly modified version of LCA Mk1, will actually be a medium-weight fighter aircraft.

Among other changes, the GE F404 engine in LCA Mk1 will be replaced with the more powerful F414 turbofan, and canards will be added behind the cockpit.


While the new F414 turbofan engine will provide the fighter more thrust, canards will improve its manoeuvrability significantly.

Prototypes Of Three New Indigenous Fighters To Be Ready In Next Four Years. Here Are The Details -

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), India’s public-sector aerospace giant, is currently working on three indigenous fighter jets — Tejas Mk2, Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter derived from the naval version of the LCA, and the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

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