India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Bhadra]

Brings back memories of my trip to Sang La in 1995--in my Fiat1100. The first telephone was installed in that area at that time. Sukh Ram ( the thief ) had come over in a chopper. The Baspa at Sang La was pristine. We were the only tourists--nobody had seen one in that area, except truckers and military/itbp.
The population of Karcham ( village at the bottom where Baspa meets Sutlej ) was 240!!!
ITBP had a mule train going from Rakcham, if I remember right. The border was 30-40 km away.
The NJPC ( Nathpa Jhakri ) was being constructed--blasting everywhere
Karcham, Rakcham, Sang La, Rekong Peo, the eternal search for the real Kinnerr Kailash ( at least 4 different ones were pointed out by the locals )

Nice to read your story sir... you must have worked for NHPC or for the Jayprakash...

Now Kalaka - khab road of 480 km is being developed as double lane all weather road. the stretch Wangtu = Kalpa - Pangse - Moorang - Pooh is also being upgraded. In due course the road may emerge as an alternate all weather road..

Kinnauris are good simple folks.. and the area has developed well as compared to other hill ares. The population has Tibatan and Budhist influence but they all call themselves as Hindus..

Kinnaur girls are as white as snow and have very good features if long-nosed..

 

[ARVION]

It's not probably because of lack of techinal knowhow, rather by design to make more cheap A2G rockets.

They lack the technology due to the barrier of the arms trade and has stick to the simpler and cheaper Fuel's . But now even the PLA's is opting for the Smokeless technology .

 

[Kumata]

Brings back memories of my trip to Sang La in 1995--in my Fiat1100. The first telephone was installed in that area at that time. Sukh Ram ( the thief ) had come over in a chopper.

FIAT 1100

I am a big fan of old FIAT's , dukkar 1100..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It's not probably because of lack of techinal knowhow, rather by design to make more cheap A2G rockets.

They are using cheaper liquid fuel ??

 

[ARVION]

They are using cheaper fuel ??

Likely , more the simpler and easy design .

 

[Kumata]

Nice to read your story sir... you must have worked for NHPC or for the Jayprakash...

Now Kalaka - khab road of 480 km is being developed as double lane all weather road. the stretch Wangtu = Kalpa - Pangse - Moorang - Pooh is also being upgraded. In due course the road may emerge as an alternate all weather road..

Kinnauris are good simple folks.. and the area has developed well as compared to other hill ares. The population has Tibatan and Budhist influence but they all call themselves as Hindus..

Kinnaur girls are as white as snow and have very good features if long-nosed..

Kinnaur & Lahaul spiti have seen lots of work off lately and rest all ... fully agree....we have many girls from upper areas married in here in considerable plain areas...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Likely , more the simpler and easy design .

It is copied so they keep it simple as possible .ASTRA is solid fuel burns very clean.

 

[ARVION]

It is copied so they keep it simple as possible .ASTRA is solid fuel burns very clean.

The artillery which is posted the SH 15's truck mounted cost only 2.5 million dollars and been exported to the paki's .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The artillery which is posted the SH 15's truck mounted cost only 2.5 million dollars and been exported to the paki's .

This is
all Pakis can afford and they think they are getting top of the line weapons.

 

[ARVION]

This is
all Pakis can afford and they think they are getting top of the line weapons.

SH 15 'S howitzer has a top range of 55 KM with a Rocket Assisted Guided Shelle's .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

SH 15 'S howitzer has a top range of 55 KM with a Rocket Assisted Guided Shelle's .

Pakis claim it is nuclear capable??

 

[ARVION]

Pakis claim it is nuclear capable??

They claim they have the world best fighter can beat even F 22's . They till now have not succeed in the miniature nuclear Warhead's . Plus the AH 15's are semi manual not an automatic system like some Truck's mounted Howitzer's are around the world's .

 

[ARVION]

 

[vayuu1]

chanakya neeti pado Mitr..

Mixture of both chanakya and suhaildev, be nicer to friends and nastier to enemies, if ur enemy is cruel ,be more cruel to him,install fear in his heart, was reading Amish's book suhaildev, though it's Fiction, but man I am fan, of both him, shivaji raje and lachchit borphukan, you don't show virtue and ethics to barbarians ,you be more brutal and install fear in not just them, but their race, their is a reason, muzzies didn't after the manhandling suhaildev to salar maqsud, don't get this prithviraj syndrome rather be cruel to ur nemesis, daya halaat ke maare pe dikhaayi jaati hai, chadaarmodo ko nhi, unki gaanv kutaayi ki jaati hai pardon me @Mikesingh but honestly this kshamasheelta and virtuous attitude makes me sick,kuch chewts kehte hai ki

Kuch baat hai ki hasti mit-ti nahi hamari
sadiyon raha hai dushman daur-e-zamaN hamara

To in chadar modo se pucho ki hasti to tumhari Afghanistan main bhi thi, hasti Pakistan,bangladesh,cambodia,maldives,phillipines,indonesia,malaysia main bhi thi, Kashmir, manipur,nagaland,main bhi thi kya hua mit gyi na, kyu kyunki Tum ahimsa parmodharma, naitikta ki batti bnate rhe aur wo tumhari gaanv pe diye jala ke chale gye, Tibet bhi gya, Saala humari khud ki country main ayodhya, kashi, mathura main panga, kailash our holiest shrine is in China, laanat ki baat,kab tak is phattu mentality ke saath jiyenge humare ministers,modi has shown what balls can do, it's high time rest of the ministry grow some balls, and start dictating terms, look at Israel, who has held whole Arab world by balls, America ,Russia, they don't care about what rest say, I know we are not them, but jis din hum duniya ki parwah chhod ke apna decision khud ke liye lenge, the whole world will start respecting us, atleast eet ka jawab pathar se to de hi sakte hai.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Plus the AH 15's are semi manual not an automatic system like some Truck's mounted Howitzer's are around the world's .

They need five men to operate the system.

 

[ARVION]

They need five men to operate the system.

Five plus a driver , so actually six's .

 

[mokoman]

Ambassador is speaking like a gobar time journalist... his language is highly objectionable for being the representative of bat munchers....and a diplomat...

I call this subtle threatening. I am hoping babus at MEA will call him on

The Chinese ambassador said China was not a strategic threat to India and that the
“general structure that we can’t live without each other remains unchanged”.

Dude sounds like a crazy boyfriend warning his girl friend that he will commit suicide if she leaves him.

 

[ARVION]

 

[mokoman]

@ARVION

look at this compared to ASTRA View attachment 54891

Does the missile run on coal ?

 

[ARVION]

anyone? whats the firing range for K9 Vajra-T ?

18 km (M107, HE)
30 km (M549A1, HE-RAP)
36 km (K310, BB/DP-ICM)
40 km (K307, BB/HE)
52 km (K315, HE-RAP)
100+ km (GGAM, in development)