India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Synergy]

China doesn't give a sh** what Amit Shah said in parliament. The congi guy asked some other question & Amit said something else to silence him ( I loved that response though) . Furthermore we've passed resolution about J&K in 1994 so officially Aksai Chin was always claimed by us. So this was nothing new. Also after that statement there was silence about Aksai Chin. PoK remained hot topic. I've always felt Indian leadership is happy to maintain status quo & doesn't want a conflict over Aksai. However since China doesn't want to resolve the Border confusion we also have to claim Aksai Chin. Same way China keeps showing Arunachal in their maps & we show Aksai Chin in ours.
Main thing is this govt only tried to stabilize relationship with China which was the rational thing to do as well but it failed. Now we must exploit any sort of leverage we have.

afaik, there are many diplomatic channels between us. if China had any serious dissatisfaction regarding Mr Shah's statement, then that'd be sorted out diplomatically and behind the closed door (which we even wouldn't have known).

from political point of view, Cong might try to feed us that also (Mr Shah's statement as main reason).

infra, gb, settings an example by teaching us a lesson, neutralizing a front before Taiwan episode etc - ok. but Mr Shah's statement - sorry, I'd not buy that.

 

[Bhadra]

to establish beach head in which island ???

Srilanka. Bangladesh, Myanmar, Andaman and Nicobar, Maldives. Seychelles. Mauritius. Madagascar... North African countries. Gulf countries.. ,

And wow .. Sindh coast line of Pakistan...

Can those countries be threatened and their shores captured by any hostile nation particularly China. ??

Can those countries ask for Indian help and we then point our arses towards the sky and fart aloud... Ho Ho Ho..

I at least know of two such instances. One - LTTE has taken over North Srilanka and Indian Forces had to intervene in the Maldives.. Four Indian divisions would not have been in Srilanka without secured bases..

 

[Sarjen]

Disengagement, de-escalation and de-induction

Well if PMO thought they can resolve the issue with talks then they need to pinch themselves to come to the reality... give the job to the military

 

[Sarjen]

Srilanka. Bangladesh, Myanmar, Andaman and Nicobar, Maldives. Seychelles. Mauritius. Madagascar... North African countries. Gulf countries.. ,

Can those countries be threatened and their shores captured by any hostile nation particularly China. ??

Can those country ask for Indian held and can we then point our arses towards the sky and fart aloud...

I at least know of two such instances. One - LTTE has taken over North Srilanka and India Forces had to intervene in the Maldives.. Four Indian divisions would not have been in Srilanka without secured bases..

ha ha ha... maybe he meant some islands in A&N

 

[utubekhiladi]

Just look at the excitement on those kids faces. If we must eat grass to buy 10 sqns of these, it would be worth it.

the freaking bird at 0.08 almost took down the brand new rafale..

 

[Bhadra]

Disengagement, de-escalation and de-induction

Three more divisions... where from. Unless they heard me to deploy 2 Corps in Ladakh.. and the six divisions will reach Lhasa.

 

[utubekhiladi]

De-escalation Hogaya Kya?

 

[cereal killer]

afaik, there are many diplomatic channels between us. if China had any serious dissatisfaction regarding Mr Shah's statement, then that'd be sorted out diplomatically and behind the closed door (which we even wouldn't have known).

from political point of view, Cong might try to feed us that also (Mr Shah's statement as main reason).

infra, gb, settings an example by teaching us a lesson, neutralizing a front before Taiwan episode etc - ok. but Mr Shah's statement - sorry, I'd not buy that.

yeah pretty much that. China can't be scared away by mere statements. Pakistan gives us many statements.. Hum Yeh kardenege, do we get scared? Hell no. Giving statements is good for public morale though. China also gave too many statements during Doklam we all saw they ended up having egg all over their faces. That's why even Zhao Lijian was acting like a monk in his press briefings during current crisis.

 

[Hellfire]

I don't think that Amit Shah's statement was the trigger that caused this Chinese move. Rather it was IMO a judgment that Xi Jinping reached after his several 1 on 1 meetings with Modi and the more confident assertive posture that India adopted under Modi, not towards China, but overall.

That is a fair assessment, and I have no two views on it (in terms of the bold portion). My putting out Mr Shah's statement is as an indicative pointer. His is an unknown quantity for the Chinese and he is, after all, regarded as the 'sword arm' aka the chief executor of Mr Modi. His statements, can not be taken lightly by any security planner, either in Pakistan or in China. Hence, his repeated references to GB and then Aksai Chin, naturally 'upped' the risks for PRC.

People fail to appreciate (for those mentally challenged, its usage here is to mean assessment) the gravity of the situation that PRC faces as it faces a push back from the smaller states in SCS being backed by a US which is looking for an excuse to cut China to size. CPEC is its quintessential supply route for it to maintain in case of an open hostility.

This Chinese move is IMO is pre-emptive to "put India in it's place" and assert the pre-eminence of China in Asia and thereby signal to the rest of Asia and the world that assertive Indian leadership does not in any shape or form challenge China's pre-eminence.

True. Absolutely. Also, it is a signal to India over moves over GB. A very pertinent threat has been made.

As far as the actual incursions are concerned, I don't think anybody outside the armed forces and political leadership in India really know the sequence of moves and counter moves made by the PLA and IA since early May. As far as Pangong Tso is concerned, as I understand, IA positions on the south bank can spot PLA movements all the way from their base beyond Finger 8. So the Chinese movement from Finger 8 upto Finger 4 and then digging in would have been observed, noted and reported up the chain of command.

Again, no two views of it.

Unlike few Einsteins believing otherwise, Mr Modi will never get a call from Sep Bhoop Singh sitting at a FOP or a KDL that enemy is moving.

 

[Hellfire]

to establish beach head in which island ???

No comments. This point is for you guys to work out.

 

[Hellfire]

Let us face it that abrogation of Article 370 was a big game changing historical decision for India.

Special Status of J&k meant recognition of its disputed status. What Modi did was only implemented Jhelum formula minus Pakistan. Abrogation of Article 370 has also thrown away China being the barged in the third party in the dispute. Now the Chinese role has been pushed to a limited union territory of Ladakh.

China has always used J&K dispute to its advantage in totally subjugating Pakistan. Be in 1965 or 1971 China did carry out symbolic acts of supporting China militarily.

So far as status of GB and Aksaichin are concerned Amit Shah has not stated any thing new. Thre are parliamentary resolutions of Congress govts to that effect. What is new in Amit Shah statement.

What has however happened is Modi has shown his intention of application of force by carrying out a surgical strike inside Pakistan and busting the nuclear threat. That nuclear threat and missile threat regime was assiduously built by China to tie down India with Pakistan. It was natural for China to engage India directly once their proxy deterrence regime had been thrown away by Modi.

Moreover, after CPC and strategy of BRI, the security of Pakistan and GB has become a personal concern of China. In their recent military confrontation with India, the clear aim is to save CPC. China has at least tied down at least 14 Indian divisions and stopped their dual employment. China would not mind keeping four odd divisions in Tibet so save CPEC.. and save Pakistan... their major colony..

CPC does get affected by the status of Shakshgam valley which will go in favour of India if GB becomes her part.

Hence the strategic goals for India is writ large for everyone to see - the destruction of Pakistan and amalgamation of GB.. Destruction of Pakistan is the elimination of Chinese interference South of Himalayas... Let USA and West focus on China while India remains focussed to eliminate Chia south of Himalayas and Karakoram.

That is what would be the apt strategy of Indirect approach..

Excellent insight.

I am bound by certain rules, hence I shut up. I see nothing that binds you. Please make those who want to learn, understand.

 

[Hellfire]

Lmao RaGa just can't seem to learn. This is like throwback to 2019 rinse repeat

It needs an IQ to learn. His is probably in negatives.

 

[Holy Triad]

Rest assured, we will prevail" My favourite line

https://twitter.com/BahadurManmohan/status/1288296553002614785?s=19…

 

[Hellfire]

Three more divisions... where from. Unless they heard me to deploy 2 Corps in Ladakh.. and the six divisions will reach Lhasa.

Anyone who has been to the region will laugh off his/her head on that one.

Spatial constraints don't mean much to few of our twitter handles.

 

[utubekhiladi]

headlines for past few days:

In tit-for-tat move, China suspends extradition treaties with Canada, Australia, Britain

European Union to restrict exports to Hong Kong

China freezes Hong Kong’s extradition treaties with UK, Australia, Canada

New Zealand suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong

National security law: Australia suspends Hong Kong extradition treaty


Tom and Jerry banadiya hai

 

[Hellfire]

Rest assured, we will prevail" My favourite line

https://twitter.com/BahadurManmohan/status/1288296553002614785?s=19…

SARCASM ON

NO...................... there was no Intelligence Failure

SARCASM OFF

 

[Hellfire]

De-escalation Hogaya Kya?

Since there is no shooting war? Yes. Now rest.


"Next phase will be mid august onwards, look west" (provided it is not north, south, east)

Cheers

Off top island hop

 

[utubekhiladi]

Since there is no shooting war? Yes. Now rest. Next phase will be mid august onwards, look west

i have been saying the same thing no one believes me.

 

[ARVION]

i have been saying the same thing no one believes me.

Don't worry , we believe you blindly's , @utubekhiladi .

 

[Hellfire]

i have been saying the same thing no one believes me.

was still editing

my it shall be bright style