My thinking is that by 2022-23 we will complete most of our border infrastructure project and we will get Rafael ,S-400 etc. This will put China at a huge disadvantage. So they want to fight a war when they are still in advantageous situation.
Not quite correct. That sum has been taken out of the defence budget and depending on the exact figures, may be between Rs.45,000 - 75000 crores in these 6 years. Hardly a sum to scoff on as peanuts.
Imperial China claimed suzerainty over Nepal, Sikkim, and Bhutan as an extension of its claim over Tibet.[4] These claims were asserted by the Chinese imperial resident in Tibet in 1908, who wrote to the Nepalese authorities that Nepal and Tibet, "being united like brothers under the auspices of China, should work in harmony for mutual good." He suggested the "blending of five colours" representing China, Tibet, Nepal, Sikkim, and Bhutan as part of his program to assert the Chinese claim in the face of British opposition.[5] In 1939, the founding chairman of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Mao Zedong termed Bhutan and Nepal as China's tributary states.
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1. I already elaborated that we don't produce that commercially. I though have refuted that we are in "stone age" in this regard.
I think issue is not income of military staff BUT effectiveness. If higher pay increases effectiveness then it is justified.
Im afraid adversaries cannot be expected to fight at the time of our choice. Which makes this government’s handling of defence all the more sad. Pick an aircraft that can’t be delivered for 6-7 years, kick all artillery purchased to the side, build almost no ships.....this on top of an OROP giveaway from the already squeezed defence budget.
The problem is everyone here is trying to look at the situation in black and white which simply doesn't work.
Indeed, the expertise and the manpower is really not that much of an issue. However, a semiconductor fabrication plant is extremely expensive to construct and likewise expensive to run.
I concur with your post completely and I have elsewhere supported different actions of the government but what they haven’t done is now in focus and by no means does it belittle what has been done.
firstly, get some basic knowledge and understanding before writing something.such childish post
go back and read my post again, i simply said, we need tejas to fill in the numbers but we should also definitely start investing towards 6th gen fighers. or else we will be importing fighters from other countries for the rest of our existence.
5th grade bal-mandir vidhyarties makes such arguments.
let me ask you these? did we build generation 1, generation 2 tanks? but today we built a better tank called ARJUN MBT. it had flaws so with 2-3 years we even made more improved and deadlier version of ARJUN MBT - MK2 tank.
like wise, we never built, 2,3, 3.5 generation planes (except IAF marut with german engineers). but today, Tejas MK2 is already in sight with 4.5 gen standards and people have been comparing it with at least on par with similar class fighters from other countries.
now we if we had same arguments in 80's like we didn't build 2 or 3 gen planes or tanks how can we build 4th gen planes or arjun mbts??? - well guess what? we would not have seen tejas today, or it would have been impossible to talk about ORCA, MWF, TEDBF etc.
as @utubekhiladi mentioned, that tejas has revolutionized local industries and supply chain for our next gen fighters.. in due time, our local industries and capabilities will also mature...
world has already gone towards 6th gen fighters, there are several prototypes and variants. we need to have guts and catchup with rest.
or after 25 years, we will talking about importing 6th gen fighters from other countries on this same forum.
Policy paralysis is the achilles heel of Indian "strategic" thinking!
Modi's bid to sway China's Xi with personal outreach was a big error. India's paying for it
India is now paying for those obsessions, and needs hard introspection, realism and course-correction, be it on China, US or Russia.theprint.in
Shekhar Gupta article...^^^. Some comments about Pakistan and Bangladesh and Indian domestic policy causing friction excepted, reasonable reading especially w.r.t. China & US.
China
“There was also a definite misreading of Xi’s intentions, his powers and the way in which the Chinese system works. While Xi is the most powerful Chinese leader since Deng, as an individual, he might have less personal discretion over larger policy than a Modi.
India’s handling of him was immature, and since he kicked us in the shins in Doklam, the equation has shifted. It is now quite clear that he read Wuhan as Modi pleading with him not to create more mischief and upset his prospects in the coming elections. In these exchanges, if you respect the other side, you’d know that the Chinese think too. And they make their own assessment of your intentions, as you make of theirs. It doesn’t even matter who was right or wrong. What matters is what you get at the end of the day. That, in one word, is Galwan.”
US :
“Much of what hasn’t gone right, paradoxically, is linked to what has. The relationship with America, for example. Despite Washington’s responses so far, including the administration’s spirited defence of India in Congressional hearings on human rights situations in Kashmir and the CAA/NRC controversy, the overall relationship has remained transactional at a low, ‘small-deal’ level. It hasn’t been consummated like a ‘big-deal’ strategic alliance.
The reason is the Modi government’s inability to break out of historical obsessions with reluctant embraces, multiple alliances and that quaint, Indian notion of strategic autonomy. Even at the transactional level, Modi’s reluctance to sign even a tiny trade deal with Trump underlines his inability to shed this chronic Indian diffidence.
He happily went to Houston and chanted “ab ki baar, Trump sarkar”, and thereby, endorsed his candidacy for re-election, never mind the context. But he wouldn’t move on even a tiny trade deal. This, after so many commitments, promises and false hopes. Trump flew all the way to India in early coronavirus season on a short visit, mostly looking for a tiny campaign win such as this. But for the Modi government, misplaced ideology and irrational fear of global trade continued to drive India’s larger strategic interest.
This minimalism left no area of the relationship untouched, even military. In six years, India did buy a few small parcels of this and that from America. But no major acquisition, co-development or production started. None. It is a different matter that now when the Chinese have rudely kicked the door open in Ladakh, you have C-17s and C-130s, Apaches, Chinooks and M777 artillery to rely on. All of it has come from America, in retail purchases. Any of these could have been a larger, balance-shifting, co-production deal if the Modi government was willing to think big.”
This clean water for chip is the reason China wants to capture Siachin and Ladakh. They are afraid India will dam the river. They may be constructing or planning to construct a chip plant in PoK
lol.. what's the difference between Tejas mk2 and mwf?
P.V. Narasimha Rao was famous for saying that the best thing to do in some situations is to do nothing. That though was a product of considered thought, no matter how much he was belittled for it. Now however as you have pointed out, “strategic thinking” is used to cover up policy paralysis using words like strategic autonomy, multipolar alliances etc. Grant the devil his due, the Chinese have shown that they suffer no such loony illusions nor do they suffer the foreign fools who are stupid enough to propagate such rubbish.
You guys forget that much of the funds of home ministry and surface transport ministry may be getting spent too. For example border road! Does it come out of defence budget?
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