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Suryavanshi

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can u please elaborate on those 2 items :confused1:
Junior engineer handle most of the ground level projects like making a drainage in small locality to making footpath, road or even small govemenet buildings.
There is a massive corruption involved in this which starts from MLA to DM and then junior engineers.
They are responsible for passing of tenders to contractors, now to contractors bribe junior enginner to get the tender and than build poor infrastructure. This is why our infrastructure is so bad.

For the second part IES officers head several department DRDO, BEL, Rail Yards, NHAI etc etc.



It's an open loot in evey department tho it is better today than the Indra era.
 

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in that case what was the PLI scheme for and the massive increase of electronics assembly factories in recent years?

these are all part of a vision, which has been clearly stated multiple times in recent years by GoI.
India had gotten into the game decades ago with the complex (SCL) at Chandigarh. There was a massive fire that gutted the complex and killed those efforts.

A decade +/- ago Intel said that they were going to manufacture chips in India and would open a big multibillion FAB to do so. It seemed to me at that time that the sugars got really upset with the announcement and got Intel to reverse course. Until recently the sugars were very powerful worldwide. May still be in many places.

The key is semi capital equipment that is typically American and some European origin. However, there is no need to reinvent the wheel - it is possible to do so but not possible to be cost and (tech)-generation competitive. Plus it would piss off trading partners and others. Just legally use what is available in the marketplace. The best bet is to woo foreign chip manufacturers - Intel, Global Foundries, Texas Instruments, Samsung, Taiwan Semi, Micron, SK Hynix etc etc. GF and TS are contract manufacturers. Also Israeli and European names.

Chips can easily be designed. However my understanding is that they cannot be sold since a complex web of ever expanding patents protects most of the stuff. No question of India attempting to break the world trading regime.

Disclaimer - all my guesses - I have little detailed knowledge.
 

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Junior engineer handle most of the ground level projects like making a drainage in small locality to making footpath, road or even small govemenet buildings.
There is a massive corruption involved in this which starts from MLA to DM and then junior engineers.
They are responsible for passing of tenders to contractors, now to contractors bribe junior enginner to get the tender and than build poor infrastructure. This is why our infrastructure is so bad.

For the second part IES officers head several department DRDO, BEL, Rail Yards, NHAI etc etc.



It's an open loot in evey department tho it is better today than the Indra era.

bc, my heart breaks when i see the amount of corruption involved in our country. we would have been a developed country instead of a developing country, if everybody honestly pays taxes and every govt employee do their job honestly and every neta works for the country instead of filling their pockets.

let me tell you a secret. you either believe it or don't.

Andimuthu Raja, the brain behind the infamous 2G scam. he used to sell black tickets (scalping) outside chennai's pilot theater(now demolished) and sometimes outside batcha theater. my uncle told me, he himself bought black tickets from Raja, many times.

later, this chor (thief) joined political party (DMK) and went on to become fucking minister of communication and information technology. he lived up to his old stealing habits. like how he used to sell black tickets, he now sold black 2g license and filled his and his party coffers.

if you give a ministry level position to a chor, what do you think is going to happen? after all habits die hard and chor chor hi hota hai.. usko chori karne ke alava aur kuch nahi aata.


that's just one person. consider the level of corruption when put together all the MLA, MP, PUBLIC Workers like you said, POLICE, collectors, CMs, even PMs sometimes, political parties etc anal rapping our bharat maa

and because of this, we have one of the weakest performing currency in the world. sky high inflation, rich becomes rich and poor becomes poor.
 
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Jack Dorsey blocked my twitter account.

Seems Twitter, Facebook and Google are fighting a unified war for the Democratic party; and any voice unfavorable is being blocked.

This causes suspicion that some American high flyers are sold to CCP.

The Indian government needs to be very careful; and this is time again to place bulk orders of equipment on local vendors - especially artillery and its ammo.
 

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Last night was the third time my Twitter statistics were scrubbed.

This has happened twice before.

Twitter is a very political platform; though a very useful one due to its immense reach.

India needs its own version of twitter.

Anyway, Silicon valley is at the forefront to remove Trump from the office. If they fail, Trump will definitely run anti-Trust against some bigwigs. The stakes are really high for them.

 

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Anyone who thinks India selling a submarine to Myanmar will change things much is incorrect.

China has a large amount of trade with Myanmar, they are also investing in several projects worth billions and have been doing so for years. Not to forget, they have several cities on the border and they promote cultural exchanges as well.

Their biggest city - Yangon is being upgraded by Chinese companies and a new city right across the river will be built by China. Several other countries like Cambodia are also taking China's help. This is Sihanoukville in Cambodia being built entirely by China. Final touches left in the main areas like removing electrical cables and putting them underground, cleaning of mud and constructing footpaths. It is currently under construction:

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COUNTERING PROPAGANDA

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There are several techniques to counter China’s propaganda campaign, some of which are explained in the US Army Field Manuals. The target audience needs to be educated and conditioned to the enemy’s propaganda as routine psychological warfare so they are aware and can differentiate between propaganda and reality.

A technique called forestalling is used which counteracts and capitalises a subject before the enemy uses it for propaganda. The enemy’s propaganda is refuted directly like a pointwise rebuttal or indirectly by way of implication and insinuation.

The diversionary technique is used to divert the attention of the audience to other topics by using new themes. This is used very often in India. Imitative deception is used to give slant to the enemy’s propaganda and use it favourably in its own interests.

The best counter-propaganda technique is silence. Not reacting to the enemy’s propaganda has always fetched better results.

Restrictive measures are adopted to counter certain types of propaganda. Economic measures adopted to restrict Chinese entry in Indian markets were helpful in banning certain social media apps such as Weibo that were being used by China to promote propaganda.



 

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Anyone who thinks India selling a submarine to Myanmar will change things much is incorrect.

China has a large amount of trade with Myanmar, they are also investing in several projects worth billions and have been doing so for years. Not to forget, they have several cities on the border and they promote cultural exchanges as well.

Their biggest city - Yangon is being upgraded by Chinese companies and a new city right across the river will be built by China. Several other countries like Cambodia are also taking China's help. This is Sihanoukville in Cambodia being built entirely by China. Final touches left in the main areas like removing electrical cables and putting them underground, cleaning of mud and constructing footpaths. It is currently under construction:

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Good point. But these easy loans from China can create a lot of trouble down the road.
If these are commercial loans then no issue.
If these are sovereign loans then China can arm-twist these countries to pay in kind.

If Chinese tourists come and these places boom then loans are justified.

A case in point is the Hambantota port of Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka was unable to pay the loan so the port is leased to China for 99 years. Sri Lanka gets nothing, not even the cost of land. If Sri Lanka sold the land for the port to China, it was a better deal.

The port has not picked up, so it is a military port now for all practical purposes. Again if Sri Lanka leased it as a military port, it would be earning a yearly sum. That is also not forthcoming now.

The moral of the story is that Chinese loans are not for free. China is able to bribe the leadership of small countries to obtain highly preferential terms; and people of these countries realize the folly later.

The CEPEC in Pakistan has delivered a lot of infra; but that did not translate into earning capacity so far. Loans have to be repaid from income.
 

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Muh Cheechootiyaz pissed, chchootiyas can go take a hike,
The Chinese themselves act in a very unprincipled and savage manner, the spreading of the China virus is one such example. However, they quote their bogus 'principles' to others.The 'One China' principle is the most bogus principle ever.

Most of the world does not recognize Tibet or Xinjiang or Aksai or Taiwan or other such provinces as being part of China. There is not historical evidence or legal basis for these regions being part of China.
 

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Good point. But these easy loans from China can create a lot of trouble down the road.
If these are commercial loans then no issue.
If these are sovereign loans then China can arm-twist these countries to pay in kind.

If Chinese tourists come and these places boom then loans are justified.

A case in point is the Hambantota port of Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka was unable to pay the loan so the port is leased to China for 99 years. Sri Lanka gets nothing, not even the cost of land. If Sri Lanka sold the land for the port to China, it was a better deal.

The port has not picked up, so it is a military port now for all practical purposes. Again if Sri Lanka leased it as a military port, it would be earning a yearly sum. That is also not forthcoming now.

The moral of the story is that Chinese loans are not for free. China is able to bribe the leadership of small countries to obtain highly preferential terms; and people of these countries realize the folly later.

The CEPEC in Pakistan has delivered a lot of infra; but that did not translate into earning capacity so far. Loans have to be repaid from income.
The thing is that the Sri Lankan example is the only example out of the thousand projects China has outside of China.

No one is denying that the Sri Lankan project had issues, it is just that some people who have an agenda against China (either rightfully or not) use cherrypicked examples to malign China. China has waived several loans in Africa when they turned bad too but no one mentions those projects. Most projects are actually quite feasible and have changed the landscape of several countries. The Benguela Railway in Angola and Congo is a big example.

Also, even in the Sri Lankan case, many neutral observers have said that any project in Sri Lanka by any country would have failed because of the prevailing conditions in the country. As for the military port accusations, only time will tell. The Indian govt. supports a country like USA which has hundreds of military bases all over the world.
 

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The Chinese themselves act in a very unprincipled and savage manner, the spreading of the China virus is one such example. However, they quote their bogus 'principles' to others.The 'One China' principle is the most bogus principle ever.

Most of the world does not recognize Tibet or Xinjiang or Aksai or Taiwan or other such provinces as being part of China. There is not historical evidence or legal basis for these regions being part of China.
Not to forget, the CCP that rules China itself has no legal basis, it is all thuggery. That is why there is a problem of whom to talk to and make agreements with. The CCP does not represent the will of the Chinese people as it is not a democratically elected party
 

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The thing is that the Sri Lankan example is the only example out of the thousand projects China has outside of China.

No one is denying that the Sri Lankan project had issues, it is just that some people who have an agenda against China (either rightfully or not) use cherrypicked examples to malign China. China has waived several loans in Africa when they turned bad too but no one mentions those projects. Most projects are actually quite feasible and have changed the landscape of several countries. The Benguela Railway in Angola and Congo is a big example.

Also, even in the Sri Lankan case, many neutral observers have said that any project in Sri Lanka by any country would have failed because of the prevailing conditions in the country. As for the military port accusations, only time will tell. The Indian govt. supports a country like USA which has hundreds of military bases all over the world.
The US government does not occupy Aksai Hind, F4 to F8 & deny patrolling access to Y junction/beyond. That would be the country of China. The same country that helped Pak at the UN ref. terrorist Hafeez & Kashmir issue in addition to supplying missiles/real time sat info to them.

So yeah, we support US (that has 100s of mil. bases all over the world) & vice versa on a transaction wise basis.
 

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The thing is that the Sri Lankan example is the only example out of the thousand projects China has outside of China.

No one is denying that the Sri Lankan project had issues, it is just that some people who have an agenda against China (either rightfully or not) use cherrypicked examples to malign China. China has waived several loans in Africa when they turned bad too but no one mentions those projects. Most projects are actually quite feasible and have changed the landscape of several countries. The Benguela Railway in Angola and Congo is a big example.

Also, even in the Sri Lankan case, many neutral observers have said that any project in Sri Lanka by any country would have failed because of the prevailing conditions in the country. As for the military port accusations, only time will tell. The Indian govt. supports a country like USA which has hundreds of military bases all over the world.
huh? that's not how the African project turned out. there are some videos on the below thread for your entertainment.


now the most important part

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