India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Jailor]

Hmm, if there has been clashes and no news is coming out then probably either chinese suffered losses or failed in their design, otherwise they'd be releasing videos and unleashing the GT pigs oink by now.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Any news on the outcome of yesterday's purported attacks on Helmet top and Black top..? Were firearms used ?

 

[ezsasa]

I think the time has come for members to bring the threshold down many folds on tolerating Chinese transgressions. The cover of Indian action and reciprocating deployment must stop making mention. What we are doing is militarily logical but it is not offering detterence because Chinese have got into some serious delusion of lack of Indian intent.

China has brought 50K soldiers on our border and their clown FM had no answer to justify that.

It is now time to start the war.

Modi has to man up now and come out of his statesman attire and become Genghis Khan.

We can’t predict who will start first, but to send a message the Indian retaliation has to be brutal.

As a rising nation, we can’t have this nonsense repeating every two three years.

And there should be a debate on whether Vienna convention applies to PLA, since they swear their loyalty to CCP not China.

 

[another_armchair]

The Centre is all set to approve the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) proposal for acquiring unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), advanced long-range reconnaissance and observation systems (LORROS), radars, all-terrain vehicles and snow scooters for the newly sanctioned BoP .

Ye chutiyapa fir se shuru.

Separate budget for ITBP, separate equipment, sharing of intel 'through proper channel' so by the time it reaches local area commander 'through proper channel', PLA would have deployed an entire battalion with supporting infrastructure.

ITBP > AC > DC > Commandant > AIG > DIG > MHA > Threat Assessment > FM-MEA > Khusar Phusar > IB > RAW > Intel > MoD > Army Intel > Area Commander > Field Officer > Plan > Action > Casualties > Huddle > Kadi Ninda > Mourning > Meltdown in DFI.

Bring all LAC and ITBP under Army control and see how there is a massive change in attitude and capabilities.

ITBP will no longer be used for internal security duties. Let CRPF raise more battalions for internal security duties through MHA. Let ITBP do what it was raised for - LAC.

Let IA train ITBP in border areas and do their orientation. Train at least 30,000 men on rotation basis for high altitude mountain warfare to meet the PLA challenge. The body and mind will undergo a monumental change with that.

The entire LAC+LOC intel grid should be one giant screen with ability to zoom in on every ridgeline in the region.

There is no shame in using disproportionate force in evicting the Chinese. Day we see Sirijap going up in a puff of dust after a 1000+ 155/52 rounds land within 3 minutes, that will be the day when North Korea calls up the White House and tells them - We would like to talk.

These sissies need to man up. Seriously. One life. Live in glory or live in regret every remaining day of your miserable lives.
Screw MEA and FM. A lifetime of EMIs to buy Chinese junk(phones and cars today, homes tomorrow) is simply not worth it. It is slavery and I totally oppose it.

 

[hit&run]

Crowd mentality , belief in numbers, human wave tactics is basic to PLA's belief of the mass peasant guerilla warfare when they captured China from Komintang Army by crowd craze and mass assaults on them..

That is why they always maintained a very large Army. Now even after downsizing and modernizing the PLA old hogs who are essentially old guard guerrillas believe in use of mass and numbers.

The Indian Army therefore will be forced to present larger numbers and defeat mass wave techniques of PLA by better coordination and use of well-sited and poised reserves as also by superior coordinated firepower. Placing stress on area weapons will cause large casualties on the Chinese and break the human waves.

But it is an act of war or not, Sir?

Keeping and sustaining onus of strategic restraint on us will become a grenade without fuse in our hands and will not only have serious military implications like demoralizing, accidents or actions taken in a haste but political as well.

Please do tell me if there are greater dividends to remain restrained; I see none.

 

[another_armchair]

Probably more of those fancy spears. Maybe halbred,sword. If they bring traditional chinese swords we should use khanda,khukri,talwar or simply shoot them.

We don't change our weapons to match our enemy. We go by our BT - 101.
Aim - Shoot. FMJ or HP, both do wonders in drilling a hole big enough in the head to drive home your intentions.

 

[Lancer]

 

[hit&run]

We can’t predict who will start first, but to send a message the Indian retaliation has to be brutal.

As a rising nation, we can’t have this nonsense repeating every two three years.

And there should be a debate on whether Vienna convention applies to PLA, since they swear their loyalty to CCP not China.

Oh yes, it must be brutal, uncouth and barbaric. This will be our movement of stepping into new realm of regional dominance. If there are any real hawks at South Block they will see it has a life time opportunity that the Chinese have gifted us on a platter.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Crowd mentality , belief in numbers, human wave tactics is basic to PLA's belief of the mass peasant guerilla warfare when they captured China from Komintang Army by crowd craze and mass assaults on them..

That is why they always maintained a very large Army. Now even after downsizing and modernizing the PLA old hogs who are essentially old guard guerrillas believe in use of mass and numbers.

The Indian Army therefore will be forced to present larger numbers and defeat mass wave techniques of PLA by better coordination and use of well-sited and poised reserves as also by superior coordinated firepower. Placing stress on area weapons will cause large casualties on the Chinese and break the human waves.

That's how an Army fights the militia. That's what they are 'institutionalised militia' at best.

 

[Suhaldev]

Jaishankar, Wang Yi Meet In Moscow, Chinese Propaganda Continues In Delhi

NEW DELHI: India and China have agreed on a broad roadmap to take relations forward from the current standoff in eastern Ladakh. At the end of talks in Moscow, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar a

stratnewsglobal.com

But even before this statement was issued in Moscow, the Chinese embassy preempted it with a press note making false claims. It attributed to Jaishankar the statement that “India’s policy towards China has not changed,” when it clearly has.
Even more curious, it says “The Indian side does not consider the development of India-China relations to be dependent on the settlement of the boundary question”.

thats how shit indian journalists are, just to show the government in bad light they'll do anything even against national interests.

 

[Suhaldev]

There has been intense speculation since last night about certain developments in Eastern #Ladakh. Sources tell me no action since last 36 hours. Also, Corps Commander level talks to take place early next week. Date and time yet to be finalised.

All this twitter wala are just hyping up things but still proved wrong repeatedly. No such speculative tweets should be allowed to be posted.

 

[tarunraju]

Number of Japanese companies who applied for Japanese government subsidies to leave China swelled from 87 to 1,670. The subsidies now add up to $165.72 billion. That's how much the Japenese government is willing to spend to de-couple from China. So rub this in the face of anyone calling the Tik Tok/PUBG ban in India "hypernationalism".

Btw, the subsidies cover relocation to approved countries. So if someone like Hitachi closes down their factories in China and expands their Indian factory (which is in Gujarat), they get Japanese government subsidies.

Xi Jinping will oversee the end of Deng Xiaoping's China.

 

[patriots]

 

[Jailor]

All this twitter wala are just hyping up things but still proved wrong repeatedly. No such speculative tweets should be allowed to be posted.

Neither should be speculative posters who just keep making up things without having any sort of ground info should be allowed to post.
Makes sense doesn't it.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Oh yes, it must be brutal, uncouth and barbaric. This will be our movement of stepping into new realm of regional dominance. If there are any real hawks at South Block they will see it has a life time opportunity that the Chinese have gifted us on a platter.

All indications are that the tip of the spear and the broadswords have had a status change from 'if' to 'when' (Pol+Mil+Bu'cracy). The commanders will decide when and more importantly which front. Don't be just fixated on the China Front. Everything is fairgame now. Whichever front is made hot tactically, it's Endgame China.

 

[Bhadra]

Ye chutiyapa fir se shuru.

Separate budget for ITBP, separate equipment, sharing of intel 'through proper channel' so by the time it reaches local area commander 'through proper channel', PLA would have deployed an entire battalion with supporting infrastructure.

ITBP > AC > DC > Commandant > AIG > DIG > MHA > Threat Assessment > FM-MEA > Khusar Phusar > IB > RAW > Intel > MoD > Army Intel > Area Commander > Field Officer > Plan > Action > Casualties > Huddle > Kadi Ninda > Mourning > Meltdown in DFI.

Bring all LAC and ITBP under Army control and see how there is a massive change in attitude and capabilities.

ITBP will no longer be used for internal security duties. Let CRPF raise more battalions for internal security duties through MHA. Let ITBP do what it was raised for - LAC.

Let IA train ITBP in border areas and do their orientation. Train at least 30,000 men on rotation basis for high altitude mountain warfare to meet the PLA challenge. The body and mind will undergo a monumental change with that.

The entire LAC+LOC intel grid should be one giant screen with ability to zoom in on every ridgeline in the region.

There is no shame in using disproportionate force in evicting the Chinese. Day we see Sirijap going up in a puff of dust after a 1000+ 155/52 rounds land within 3 minutes, that will be the day when North Korea calls up the White House and tells them - We would like to talk.

These sissies need to man up. Seriously. One life. Live in glory or live in regret every remaining day of your miserable lives.
Screw MEA and FM. A lifetime of EMIs to buy Chinese junk(phones and cars today, homes tomorrow) is simply not worth it. It is slavery and I totally oppose it.

The other day I was curiously looking at UPSC notification for recruitment of Asst commandant. The highlight of the notifications was - 50 percent reservation. Upper age limit - 30 years. An army officers end up giving his ass by 7 -8 years by the time he is 30 years of age. Women asst cmdt... physical test - only 500m..no one mile no two mile no five km... No SSB relaxation in medical ... two papers in local language ...

Then he enters service in 30 years with reservations and demand pay parity and assured rank of DG, .. then he plans to go to all courts,, reservations in promotions assured career progression and pay parity with IPS... retirement sixty years... wah wah ... NFU also ...

How can the army take this cadre..?? This is a highly unionized and politicized force...

 

[hit&run]

Neither should be speculative posters who just keep making up things without having any sort of ground info should be allowed to post.
Makes sense doesn't it.

There is difference between speculation, probability and claim.

A claim made without good source and then debated is harmful.

Speculations and preempting probability is all right.

The OP who talked about human wave transgressions was categorically speculative. Not to mention there is a pattern how Chinese conduct themselves at LAC.

 

[Guest]

Will someone pls help me understand who controls these positions? Some shrink confused me on twitter that it's not Indian held positions, even though its West of finger 4!
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First picture is Indian Position, Second picture both circles show Chinese on the F4 ridge. You can see how that Ridge meets the F3 ridge and Chinese are present there.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Do people here think IA doesn't have counter to PLA human wave attack? There is a reason IA set up barbed fence as Red line to counter these attack. If they cross that line then it's turkey shoot for our guys... also IA might have figured out how PLA operates China is still probing the ways to attack and dislodge us from heights shows how we have prepared and reinforced our troops.

 

[neel9821]

what is the secret behind dangal's immense success in china? if i'm not wrong it was still running in theaters there until like a month or 2 ago. it wasn't a bad movie as such but it makes me think that there's more than meets the eye in this case.

Chinese way to supply money to anti-India forces. Easy option