India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

Guys I have a question!
Whenever there's a talk about Galwan Clash in foreign media, they always tell India's Casualties but never China's.
Even Chris from China Uncensored never talks about that.
I understand ki confirmed nahi hai but atleast quote a number or even tell ki soldiers were also killed on China's side too.

Why this hypocrisy??

 

[ezsasa]

Guys I have a question!
Whenever there's a talk about Galwan Clash in foreign media, they always tell India's Casualties but never China's.
Even Chris from China Uncensored never talks about that.
I understand ki confirmed nahi hai but atleast quote a number or even tell ki soldiers were also killed on China's side too.

Why this hypocrisy??

As far as west is concerned, any entity Indian state is up against gets extra benefit of doubt in discourse.
it's part of historical records now, can't be undone now that easily.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Times have changed. Interests have changed. The past mistakes of deferring to chinese highhandedness needs instant correction. It is apparent that the 3feet yellow soup **** are not ten feet tall. Also, the Chinese Virus has generated immense and irreprarable negative political and human sentiment against China. As for China the past century has been cycles of self-humiliation, internal strife, and revisionism where the state has promised prosperity and nationalism for surrender of personal liberties. But Can China hold off countries whose determination stems from the suffering of their people? 100 nations have backed a jointaustralian and eu proposal to inquire into the origins of the Virus. India has also joined in. These are also the more affluent nations.It is reported that 80 million people have lost jobs, 20% Chinese households can survive 2-3 months without income and 40% a couple of months more. This is based on a survey of 120000 people by China Household Finance Survey and Research Centre, Chengdu. The situation is so serious that South China Morning Post has run a series of six articles on job loss and unemployment and they had to count bloggers and gamers as employed LMFAO !!!

See - https://www.marketplace.org/2020/08...ggers-and-gamers-as-employed-during-pandemic/



Ccp **** aint gods. They cant do shit buddy. China is the fastest aging country in history. All their attempts are epic fail now . People are not marrying or having a second child. Reasons include rising prosperity, opportunities for single women, young couples opting for single child and gender imbalance. . The population will reduce to about 1 billion by 2100.

See - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51145251
See - https://chinapower.csis.org/aging-problem/
See - https://www.statista.com/statistics/251535/child-and-old-age-dependency-ratio-in-china/

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This has manifold implications. .It will not only screw plafags hooman capital but thar will be other implications as well. A smaller number of workers will have to take care of an increasing number of old and young people . As population ages, additional resources are needed to meet the needs of the elderly – medical, energy, housing, food. China has a very weak social welfare system for the aged. The percentage of unmarried men in their late 30's will quintuple by 2030. This will have adverse societal impacts. . When the work force declines, wages increase, productivity goes down and profits go down. Lesser workers means lesser consumption spending. China has no choice but to export and after corona virus nobody is willing to buy cheap chinese shit .

Hence they are going mutant soldiers for superior war fighting capabilities.

US intel chief says China has created ‘mutant’ soldiers

Ratcliffe said China had "conducted human testing" on members of its army "in hopes of developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities".

www.dnaindia.com

Here are spy shots of a few mutant soldiers from PLA mutant ninja turtle regiment posted in Pangong Tso taking a smoke break in occupied Tibet. ninja turtles + microwave ovens - we are up against some nasty stuff.

 

[patriots]

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May
Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

• Written By Krishn Kaushik | New Delhi |
• Updated: December 8, 2020 7:06:23 am

The standoff in eastern Ladakh is now more than seven months old, with no sign of disengagement. (File)

The Army’s move to occupy dominant heights in the Chushul sub-sector and bolster its position in the border face-off with China in eastern Ladakh was taken after a political go-ahead in May to occupy “six to seven locations” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), a senior government official told The Indian Express.

Following these directions, the top official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May

Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

indianexpress.com

 

[DownWithCCP]

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May
Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

• Written By Krishn Kaushik | New Delhi |
• Updated: December 8, 2020 7:06:23 am

The standoff in eastern Ladakh is now more than seven months old, with no sign of disengagement. (File)

The Army’s move to occupy dominant heights in the Chushul sub-sector and bolster its position in the border face-off with China in eastern Ladakh was taken after a political go-ahead in May to occupy “six to seven locations” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), a senior government official told The Indian Express.

Following these directions, the top official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May

Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

indianexpress.com

If the go ahead was given in May what took the actions so long to happen.

 

[patriots]

If the go ahead was given in May what took the actions so long to happen.

Planning...troop mobilization.... getting support systems
And the "time .".......to suprise chineese....
There everything is monitored by the enemy....by helicopters ,drones, jets and also from satellites

 

[Floydian]

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May
Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

• Written By Krishn Kaushik | New Delhi |
• Updated: December 8, 2020 7:06:23 am

The standoff in eastern Ladakh is now more than seven months old, with no sign of disengagement. (File)

The Army’s move to occupy dominant heights in the Chushul sub-sector and bolster its position in the border face-off with China in eastern Ladakh was taken after a political go-ahead in May to occupy “six to seven locations” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), a senior government official told The Indian Express.

Following these directions, the top official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

Army got political signal to identify, occupy ‘6-7 locations’ on LAC in May

Following these directions, a senior government official said, the Army formulated plans and outmanoeuvred Chinese troops in August-end to occupy the heights, including Mukhpari, Rezang La, Rechin La and Gurung Hill among others, and the south bank of Pangong Tso in the sub-sector.

indianexpress.com

But are we still holding those spots or have we withdrawn to create goodwill, as always?!

 

[patriots]

But are we still holding those spots or have we withdrawn to create goodwill, as always?!

Bhai Modi doesn't believe in goodwill.....after Pakistan back stabbed us in Pulwama....and China back stabbed us in galwan

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

WW2 is of a different era and things have changed now. The transition phase from ww1 to ww2 was massive and the same is true now.



I don't know what version of galwan you have read but i don't see it as win of any sort. They lost more men true but then again they don't care about losses what they wanted to see our response and we decided to not retaliate. we didn't counterattack against their ambush neither against their land grab. The same is happening in Bhutan now. doklam was indeed better since we held our ground.

My post - https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/india-china-2020-border-conflict.82416/post-1810480

India-China 2020 Border conflict

I would like to see Indian media dissect strategy and motives the way aussies & other western country do. Read this and the reasoning applies to India as well. ***...

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India-China 2020 Border conflict

@another_armchair eastern command twitter handle just posted about 3 more casualties we had , without giving any details We've had 7 casualties total in the past week without a shread of detail about when where and how You said it was due to pla guerrillas , could you elaborate further? Mum's...

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They answer most of the points you raise in unquoted part . Let me reply specifically on this one .

So with all due respect , krantikari versions or anyother version of galwan other than that of Indian army dont mattter worth a shit to me. If you have chosen to face the Indian Armed Forces you have chosen to face death. Ask the porkys they have the best experience. The plafags have recently joined their ranks.

You fast forward to Galwan where an outnumbered Indian Army, walloped the pla despite suffering causalities. It explains as to why Chinese authorities never had the guts to make their actual causalities public . What a literal cuck one has to be or I rather put which nation or country hides its casualities ?One that does not have honour or one that is outdone or one that fears the outcome of the casualties it has suffered. I find shades of all three in the plafags. I was right. What India has shown is how to nail a Chinese coffin. It will take a long time for China to live this campaign down. They might hide it internally through censorship, the reality is now known internationally.

Btw in case you dont know the superpower chinese UN peacekeepers in Juba Capital of South Sudan “abandoned their posts entirely”. China’s foreign ministry called that finding “irresponsible criticism” and urged better protection for peacekeepers. Well. Well. Well. Protection for peace keepers indeed! Why did plafags go there? To get protected? This pretty much tells everything about 3 futiya master race.

See - https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-...-pushes-nation-closer-to-the-brink-1474413566

 

[Pugilist]

Trump will do irreversible harm to China before Biden takes over. Yet after all such boycotts and sanctions how is chinki economy growing and that too fast.

The explanation for China’s economy continuing relatively strongly during COVID times in 2020 is somewhat straightforward as I see it.

A large percentage of China’s growth this year has been supply side growth especially large orders to cover COVID shortages in overseas markets.

As the world’s largest manufacturer and exporter, COVID therefore was a boon for them. Maybe a short-term opportunity which they have capitalised on.

In contrast a lot of western and other large economies particularly those with a large service-based economies or those that rely on demand driven growth (like India) have struggled as these engines of growth have been hit the hardest by COVID.

I said “short-term” previously because it appears long term there is a concerted plan in place by larger economies to move supply chains away from China. This is an external factor which they have limited control over.

The other long term issue for China, which is an internal issue, is that despite the huge size of its economy, China has so far failed to make the transition from a manufacturing/export based economy to that of an advanced economy like the USA. Note Japan successfully made such a transition in the 1980s.

This (failure to transition to being an advanced economy) will be a long-term structural issue for China especially if the large economies can successfully re-locate their supply chains from China in the long term.

The other concern for the Chinese economy especially in the medium to long term is that some of the current economic growth has also been on the back of massive increased debt taken on by Chinese companies and state owned corporations especially to ramp up their short term manufacturing during COVID.

The massive jump in Chinese internal debt levels means that the corporate and state owned enterprises, who were already overburdened with large debts even before COVID, will struggle to pay down all their debts in the medium to long-term especially if their manufacturing slows down if countries shift their supply chains elsewhere.

In the past the CCP controlled banks simply printed more money but they cannot keep doing this especially in the long run.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Bhai Modi doesn't believe in goodwill.....after Pakistan back stabbed us in Pulwama....and China back stabbed us in galwan

or maybe they wanted to make the chinks suffer and punish them for their actions by making them stay put during the winter without any preparation.

 

[12arya]

India Reduces Imports From China By 13 Per Cent; Increases Exports By 16 Per Cent In Jan-Nov 2020

Amidst the border standoff across the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Chinese custom data highlights that the middle kingdom’s exports to India fell by 13 per cent from January-November 2020, Times of India reports

swarajyamag.com

 

[N4tsula67]

Written By: Zee Media Bureau | Edited By: Ritesh K Srivastava | Updated: Dec 03, 2020, 13:48 PM IST
New Delhi: Indian Navy Chief Admiral Karambir Singh on Thursday said his force is alive to various threats in the maritime domain emanating from China and is fully ready to deal with them.
Addressing a press conference on the eve of Navy Day, Singh said, “the Navy has a standard operating procedure in case there is any infringement in the Indian Ocean region.” He said this in a veiled reference to the threat from China.
As of now, three Chinese warships are in the Indian Ocean region. The Chinese have been maintaining three ships since 2008 for anti-piracy patrols, the Navy Chief said.


Referring to the situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, the Navy chief said the Indian Navy's surveillance aircraft P-8I and Heron drones are deployed in the region.
“We have deployed the P-8I aircraft at various locations on the requirement of Army and Indian Air Force. In addition, we have deployed the Heron surveillance drones on the northern borders,” Admiral Karambir Singh said.


"Whatever we are doing is in close coordination with the Army and the Indian Air Force," he said. India and China are locked in a border row in eastern Ladakh for nearly seven months which was triggered by the Chinese military's aggressive behaviour.
On the overall challenge facing the country in the maritime domain, Admiral Singh said the Indian Navy is determined to stand steadfast in these testing times.

Talking about the proposed maritime theatre command, he said work is in progress and its shape will come out after some time. Andaman and Nicobar Command would be a part of the Maritime Theatre Command, he said.
The Navy chief said enhancing the underwater capability of the country has been a focus of the Indian Navy.
On induction of a third aircraft carrier, he said the Navy is absolutely clear about its requirement.
Indian Navy is also procuring Smash-2000 rifles as anti-drone equipment to protect against attacking drones, Navy Chief said adding, "Acquisition of 30 Predator drones for the three services is on and those drones would be much more capable.''

Indian Navy procuring Smash-2000 rifles to thwart drone attacks: Navy Chief Admiral Karambir Singh warns China

Indian Navy is also procuring Smash-2000 rifles as anti-drone equipment to protect against attacking drones, Navy Chief said.

zeenews.india.com

 

[SKC]

Their economic numbers are more or less true.
Have you heard about those ghost cities? HSR track construction? CPEC/OBOR? those are used to boost growth rate numbers.

I can explain in more detail if you want.

at least 1/3rd of Chinese economy is only due to Civil Infra works. They create unwanted civil work just to keep the huge labor employed. If not any new building, they will redecorate the streets every quarter of the year. New walk tiles are put every 5-6 months, old one are just thrown. new streets signs will be made and put even though previous ones are working fine.
Regarding the ghost towns, Chinese economists were claiming that wait for 1 decade and then these cities will start to flourish with peoples. But now after over a decade of construction, the Largest Ghost city in Inner mongolia is still having only 300K citizens which is only 1/10th of expected population. The city is basically empty even after 1 decade over construction.

 

[samsaptaka]

China is running out of food and we are supplying rice to them at discounted prices? WTF is going on here?

Babus.

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Well before that, chinks stole from us ! Astronomy, maths, martial arts, fireworks, gunpowder, chess, you name it...

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

China is running out of food and we are supplying rice to them at discounted prices? WTF is going on here?

Food Crisis is one of many chinese chokers . China became a net food importer in 2004. Its import dependence is irreversible. Between 2003 and 2017, China's food imports grew from just $14 billion to $104.6 billion. It will face a domestic grain supply gap of about 130 million tonnes by the end of 2025. It continues to import seeds due to lack of technology. Wheat, corn and rice are the main ingredients of the Chinese food basket. These crops have been threatened by floods, typhoons and draughts – all in one season. Climate change might also be playing its part. Pork is the main meat. However availability of pork has been affected badly due to the African Swine Flu for the past three years. Corruption/inefficiency in logistics and storage as also insect infestation threaten its inventory.

See - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-11/05/content_18871081.htm
See - https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgil...port-purchases-send-a-signal/?sh=7b37beb71bcb

 

[Cheran]

Experts, what is Igor & Natasha upto


ALso,

 

[Cheran]

 

[Cheran]

Chinese MSS agent Ms. Fang with Ro Khanna & another person via WOlf Pack

 

[Cheran]

nothing much to see, just chinese being chinese