India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Knowitall]

Maybe that's the symptom of being a victim of 5th Gen warfare, by more than two adversaries.

I think Indian political class is simply not prepared for the two front scenario.

One look at recent history can make anyone on the desk of power develop cold feet if told about a two front scenario.

While GOI can predict the result of a one on one engagement and be confident of the course of the battle they cannot comprehend how a two front war would pan out.

There are too many variables that come into play and no leader wants to take the risk.

Chinese leaders going fanatic over the prospect of losing territory and dragging the war for weeks.

Pakistan trying to fight for as long as they can as unlike the previous time they are not alone and have the Chinese with them.

Russian supplies being blocked by china or Russia being paid billions to delay deliveries.

China trying to deplete our ammo reserves.

Then their are always nukes.

No matter what anyone says here no leader can ignore the possibility of nukes.

This is why I don't believe anyone who says we were gunning for GB. At this point any attack on pakistan by us will have to take a Chinese counterattack into consideration. We cannot expect to face any of them alone.

If we wish to fight we better do it now the future is too uncertain for us to sit and wait.

 

[Knowitall]

I feel like one of the reasons India hasn't responded very aggressively is because of Russia.


Our dependency on them is causing us issues.

 

[ezsasa]

I think Indian political class is simply not prepared for the two front scenario.

One look at recent history can make anyone on the desk of power develop cold feet if told about a two front scenario.

While GOI can predict the result of a one on one engagement and be confident of the course of the battle they cannot comprehend how a two front war would pan out.

There are too many variables that come into play and no leader wants to take the risk.

Chinese leaders going fanatic over the prospect of losing territory and dragging the war for weeks.

Pakistan trying to fight for as long as they can as unlike the previous time they are not alone and have the Chinese with them.

Russian supplies being blocked by china or Russia being paid billions to delay deliveries.

China trying to deplete our ammo reserves.

Then their are always nukes.

No matter what anyone says here no leader can ignore the possibility of nukes.

This is why I don't believe anyone who says we were gunning for GB. At this point any attack on pakistan by us will have to take a Chinese counterattack into consideration. We cannot expect to face any of them alone.

There is a fundamental point we need to realise, countries are most comfortable when their wars are fought far away from their mainland and population centres.

we don’t have this luxury.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I feel like one of the reasons India hasn't responded very aggressively is because of Russia.


Our dependency on them is causing us issues.

This is a decades old strategic blunder that has also costed us heavily economically.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There is a fundamental point we need to realise, countries are most comfortable when their wars are fought far away from their mainland and population centres.

we don’t have this luxury.

Ladakh is not densely populated.

 

[Knowitall]

Ladakh is not densely populated.

It's not populated but loss of laddakh can lead us down a dark path with consequences we cannot even imagine about.

I personally believe it is simply not possible for us to lose ladakh.

 

[ezsasa]

Ladakh is not densely populated.

and there is no guarantee that conflict will be restricted to one area only.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It's not populated but loss of laddakh can lead us down a dark path with consequences we cannot even imagine about.

I personally believe it is simply not possible for us to lose ladakh.

Anything is possible we lost Tibet.

and there is no guarantee that conflict will be restricted to one area only.

It definetly will not be confined to ladakh China also claims AP.

 

[Knowitall]

This is a decades old strategic blunder that has also costed us heavily economically.

Let us look at the timeline.

Russia intelligence reports tell India that chinese are just having a exercise and we have nothing too worry about.

Russias wanting to stay neutral.

Delay of s-400

Russia wanting de-escalation.

Russian exercise with china and pakistan.

Moscow pact where we decide on the 5 point meet.

There is too much involvement of russia from the start almost as if the Chinese planned for this.

 

[tarunraju]

America must build a coalition to counter China’s accelerating aggression

U.S. should embrace a multilateral approach, encompassing eight key political forces: Australia, ASEAN, Canada, India, Japan, Korea, the U.K., and the E.U.

From these, I have serious doubts about South Korea and ASEAN. South Korea is at a great geographic disadvantage, and any overt anti-China stance will trigger NoKo aggression at Chinese behest.

ASEAN attributes much of its success to reconciling vast ethnic and religious differences between its dominant power centers, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia. This taught them to stay out of trouble. At best they'll listen to us on matters such as rejecting chicom projects such as the Kra Canal, or early warning of PLAN movements at the Straits of Malacca, Singapore, or Sunda. That's about it.

The UK is far too preoccupied with Brexit to make a dent. At best we can expect kind words.

The EU will look after its trade interests first. China's national security laws that obligate Chinese private sector to share data and intelligence with the Chinese state; as well as more recent laws that mandate CCP presence in private companies, fast erode China's perception as a market economy, forcing EU to hit China with anti-dumping. The EU's only real accomplishment as a global trading bloc so far has been a strict and unbiased enforcement of its trade laws. If China breaks these laws, they put the EU in a position where they must respond with harsh tariffs, trade-embargoes, and anti-dumping measures, even if these measures affect European businesses.

As for the rest, India, Australia, Japan, and the US not only have common threats, but common interests in beating China back.

Chinese geopolitical ambitions have become a tumor that will doom the free world if left unchecked.

 

[ezsasa]

Anything is possible we lost Tibet.


It definetly will not be confined to ladakh China also claims AP.

one thing is for sure, as long as we don’t create a theatre of our own which suits our capabilities, we will always be on the back foot never knowing which side the next attack is gonna come from.

 

[utubekhiladi]

our children's in their history book shall learn "why mirror deployment is a bad idea"

 

[ezsasa]

our children's in their history book shall learn "why mirror deployment is a bad idea"

You will have to expand on that...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

one thing is for sure, as long as we don’t create a theatre of our own which suits our capabilities, we will always be on the back foot never knowing which side the next attack is gonna come from.

They are preparing to do exactly this and we have given them plenty of time to prepare.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Maybe that's the symptom of being a victim of 5th Gen warfare, by more than two adversaries.

Looking at PM's past performances, never say never with him in the picture. He just pulls it off so suddenly and makes it look so easy, that it's embarrassing for the other party(not just political).

 

[FalconZero]

There are reports that Chinese are setting up SAMs in POK for pakis. I think frontal assault tweeted about it, not confirmed.

 

[Tuco]

one thing is for sure, as long as we don’t create a theatre of our own which suits our capabilities, we will always be on the back foot never knowing which side the next attack is gonna come from.

Like 1965?

 

[Knowitall]

one thing is for sure, as long as we don’t create a theatre of our own which suits our capabilities, we will always be on the back foot never knowing which side the next attack is gonna come from.

I didn't get you?

Currently any and every place from where we can launch an attack is well defended by the enemy similarly any and every from where they can launch an attack on us is heavily fortified and well defended.

Both sides know each other well and have a good understanding of the land so I don't think anybody might have missed something.

Are you suggesting something very radical like going through nepal or bhutan?

 

[utubekhiladi]

I am very optimistic, the world order created after ww2 will fall in next 3-5 years and a new order shall rise. I m looking forward to that day. historically, every 70-80 years, a major global change happens.

the current world orders like WTO, reserve currency, UNO, NATO, etc has already became unsustainable and is causing wars. anything that goes up the sky needs to come down. so is china and so is usa. historically, all big emperors have fallen and none have survived, romans? gone, Persians? gone, moguls? gone, Akand bharat? broken into several small countries, Great Britain? struggling to survive, imperial japan? got nuked, Mighty USSR? broken, Third Reich? committed suicide

war is inevitable now, china will fight for his expansionist ego, porkistan will fight for his Kashmir lust and INDIA will fight for its survival.

 

[ezsasa]

Looking at PM's past performances, never say never with him in the picture. He just pulls it off so suddenly and makes it look so easy, that it's embarrassing for the other party(not just at political).

It’s not about modi, there are deeper structural problems that need to be addressed and these things take time, decades infact.