India-China 2020 Border conflict

[omaebakabaka]

^^ That is bad optics domestically.

I can already hear Modi sold Indian soldiers bla bla & aam admi will lap up commie slogans readily.

Private mercs are in fashion these days....thats how you do it. If we don't play these games then we will fall behind in those kind of games and will be last to enter.

 

[Cheetah007]

Actually Indian troops in Afghanistan in a limited fashion is a good thing, don't you think against Pak and China? We just need to be able to work with some of those afghan factions....

Americans are leaving Afghanistan on terms and conditions that doesn't suit India atall. Afghanistan is a loss cause and the American public has so much fatigue that any more stay will negatively impact their political battle grounds. From the news it seems that new alliances are bring built in middle east for something big......

 

[tarunraju]

US support is not just about Ladakh...
It;s about beating back Pak & China who are looking to destroy us.

Yeah, putting boots in Afg is a small price to pay if the attacks from east and west goes down,

If there's a 2 front attack, India has the justification to unload 50 warheads on Pakistan in an opening volley, and begin an exchange of attrition with China.

It would be the 23487234th Simpsons prediction having come true.

Afghanistan is a meat grinder. There's nothing but misery for us. The day we put boots there, suddenly we become an occupational force, lose goodwill with the locals, and the historic India-Afghanistan enmity will re-surface. Each year we'll receive about 4-5 thousand Indian coffins, bleed billions, and the only Indians who'll prosper will be Adani/Vedanta, etc.

Let's learn from Pakistan's fuck-up. Short term greed in supporting US logistics, brought them long-term misery.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Americans are leaving Afghanistan on terms and conditions that doesn't suit India atall. Afghanistan is a loss cause and the American public has so much fatigue that any more stay will negatively impact their political battle grounds. From the news it seems that new alliances are bring built in middle east for something big......

Middle East does not matter to us as much as Afghanistan does and we have decent relations with most of middle east atm, India is very active in Afghanistan and our presence has nothing to do with US. This is directly connected to our security, if its not us then it will be China. We need to develop the concept of private mercs under strict supervision....china is doing it in Africa and so are many other countries.

 

[etantra]

^^ That is bad optics domestically.

I can already hear Modi sold Indian soldiers bla bla & aam admi will lap up commie slogans readily.
With each body bag the political cost will become heavier.

what political cost... even today, 1-2 soldiers die everyday in border firing or terrorist attacks.. used to be lot higher( 10+) earlier..
Did anyone make a noise to solve the problem..

Govt just needs to spin the right story and clamp down on fake news from opposition and all will be good. Triple the soldiers pay for those and they will be keen to deploy as well.

 

[LDev]

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But the so called non alignment or strategic autonomy which in practice was India aligning with the USSR and the useless NAM was perfectly OK with the Indian left wing!! Now that there is even a whiff of the possibility of India aligning with the US for no other purpose than to strengthen it's security, the left wing is shrill with denunciations about a right wing conspiracy. The left wing would have India perpetually at the mercy of China and a suspect brokered deal by the USSR/Russia. Remember Tashkent.

As far as Afghanistan is concerned there is no free lunch though I suspect that very soon the US itself will be completely out of Afghanistan after the Taliban accord with the Kabul Government and there wont be any Indian or US troops needed there. Where the US could want India involved in is the South China Sea, maybe symbolically but the Indian Navy will likely be asked to show it's flag there along with the rest of the QUAD.

 

[tarunraju]

But the so called non alignment or strategic autonomy which in practice was India aligning with the USSR and the useless NAM was perfectly OK with the Indian left wing!! Now that there is even a whiff of the possibility of India aligning with the US for no other purpose than to strengthen it's security, the left wing is shrill with denunciations about a right wing conspiracy. The left wing would have India perpetually at the mercy of China and a suspect brokered deal by the USSR/Russia. Remember Tashkent.

As far as Afghanistan is concerned there is no free lunch though I suspect that very soon the US itself will be completely out of Afghanistan after the Taliban accord with the Kabul Government and there wont be any Indian or US troops there. Where the US could want India involved in is the South China Sea, maybe symbolically but the Indian Navy will likely be asked to show it's flag there along with the rest of the QUAD.

I do support the idea of Quad, where there is a coordinated plan of action against China, where we take the pressure off the Americans by holding the Himalayan frontier, and where the Americans take the pressure off us with SCS hostility, and ensure Xi Jinping's position becomes untenable with the CCP. That is an ideal cost for India to pay for Quad. If there's lukewarm enthusiasm in Delhi about Quad, it's because they read the price-tag, and it says "Indian boots in Afghanistan."

 

[cannonfodder]

what political cost... even today, 1-2 soldiers die everyday in border firing or terrorist attacks.. used to be lot higher( 10+) earlier..
Did anyone make a noise to solve the problem..

Govt just needs to spin the right story and clamp down on fake news from opposition and all will be good. Triple the soldiers pay for those and they will be keen to deploy as well.

Bhai that is for defending our own land and this will be different altogether I guarantee you(they will make sure it is painted that way). There is noise even when our forces fight porki insurgency.. rudali's claim why fight, people are dying on both sides equal-equal .. lets not fight for piece of land & prevented any repurcurssions on porki state for years. This time it will 1000x more with 1000-200 soldiers dying fighting on foreign land.

I am sure Modi/BJP do not have political apetite for such an move.

 

[LDev]

I do support the idea of Quad, where there is a coordinated plan of action against China, where we take the pressure off the Americans by holding the Himalayan frontier, while Americans take the pressure off us in SCS, and ensure Xi Jinping's position becomes untenable with the CCP. That is an ideal cost for India to pay for Quad. If there's lukewarm enthusiasm in Delhi about Quad, it's because they read the price-tag, and it says "Indian boots in Afghanistan."

Why do you assume that the ask was for Indian troops in Afghanistan? Maybe India has balked so far for other reasons, historical timidity about a formal alliance is a stronger possibility. In any event the Taliban accord is being negotiated and Trump wants to completely end US involvement in Afghanistan. US ending it's involvement is bad for India because it reverts to it's pre 9/11 status. So India has to put up or accept the renewed flow of ISI sponsored jihadis into Kashmir again.

Defending the country need not begin at the borders. Sometimes it is required that the defence begins elsewhere.

 

[tarunraju]

Why do you assume that the ask was for Indian troops in Afghanistan? Maybe India has balked so far for other reasons, historical timidity about a formal alliance is a stronger possibility.

Indians are good at making alliances to achieve political goals. Just look at India's domestic coalition politics or the alliances between Indian kingdoms to reshape the sub-continent. We were never timid about political/military alliances.

NAM itself was a Nehruvian half-assed attempt at creating a political bloc that's amorphous and democratized. Kinda like the "third front" that Indian chotu-motu parties keep propping up. It blew up on his face when NAM didn't support him in 1962.

If the Americans offered to simply coordinate action against China with the goal of realizing a free and open Indo-Pacific (their fvcking slogan), then India would have jumped in way back in May. Something changed. American sweet-talking in India's favor stopped. It's because we told America "bhaiyya, dene ka bhav bolo."

 

[Cactus09]

India China LAC face off: Disengagement onus on India, says China | India News - Times of India

India News: Despite the recent five-point India-China consensus for defusing the border situation, China on Wednesday put the ball for disengagement in India’s co

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Ye bhosdiwale nahi sudhrenge

 

[etantra]

I do support the idea of Quad, where there is a coordinated plan of action against China, where we take the pressure off the Americans by holding the Himalayan frontier, and where the Americans take the pressure off us with SCS hostility, and ensure Xi Jinping's position becomes untenable with the CCP. That is an ideal cost for India to pay for Quad. If there's lukewarm enthusiasm in Delhi about Quad, it's because they read the price-tag, and it says "Indian boots in Afghanistan."

That is not set in stone.. Indian boots can be sent for many reasons. after all we sent IPKF to SriLanka and 2000 soldiers died..

Congress still got elected back in 1991.. so much for political cost.

 

[Cactus09]

That is not set in stone.. Indian boots can be sent for many reasons. after all we sent IPKF to SriLanka and 2000 soldiers died..

Congress still got elected back in 1991.. so much for political cost.

That is a different story and time. Opposition had spine back then. They appreciated the bravery of our soldiers and stood together for national security. Not so much today. Is it?

 

[Destrius]

India sending troops to Afghanistan is unrealistic. The only reliable supply lines to Afghanistan are Iran and Pakistan. I don't think America would want us to be in Afghanistan if it means we are reliant on Iran.

Of course if America is willing to bat for us in the reconquest of POK or liberation of Balochistan, sending troops to Afghanistan is an excellent idea.

 

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[Bhadra]

Indians and Chinese at LAC and how both sides have handled the issue

 

[Commando 01]

Chinese soldier got fainted because of not able to breathe on those hights

 

[Commando 01]

Chinese soldier got fainted because of not able to breathe on those hights

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Meanwhile Indian soldiers on those hights...

 

[scatterStorm]

Trust high iq Chinese to show how tough they are by eating snow. Folks, if you are short of water in arctic conditions, do not eat snow. It will cause dehydration.

This has been told many times by bare grills. You simply boil ice, if you have portable gas and stove, or burn some wood.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Chinese soldier got fainted because of not able to breathe on those hights

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Generals will play Punjabi song and the frat boy will get right up agian