India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Shashank Nayak]

Almost 6 days after talks with ching chong Wang, but no chai biscoot date set.. Strange..

 

[Lancer]

It looks like the Hawk CAS platform idea is finally taking off - hope it's able to carry the full range of Air to Ground weaponry. Would be a cheap & useful platform that can be churned out in big numbers, and would definitely free up better fighters for more important missions. Could even be sold to 3rd World Air Forces later on.

@Hellfire



HAL to upgrade Hawk Mk132 AJTs with SAAW PGM, advanced IFF, Voice activated command system and a new mission computer. It will also have ASRAAM AAM capability.

 

[Haldilal]

Almost 6 days after talks with ching chong Wang, but no chai biscoot date set.. Strange..

Ya'll Nibbiars Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank. Before SCO. This explains why no Chai Biscoot.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Almost 6 days after talks with ching chong Wang, but no chai biscoot date set.. Strange..

Lagta hai stock khatam ho gaya chai biscuit ka

 

[Cheran]

 

[Knowitall]

Russia is really going out of its way to work against us.

With lac becoming another loc it is not in our interest to maintain 2 active borders.

This is simply too costly for a country like us we need to settle our borders with pakistan and put our on China.

This whole peace led by russia is just bullshit it is just going to cause us more trouble.

India wi have to take the initiative and do something or else with we will be stuck with 2 active borders and large expenditue.

 

[UZI™️]

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA)has four grades of combat readiness. The first level is used only when military leaders are convinced an armed conflict is inevitable .

The PLA’s JH-7 bombers at frontline airports are loaded with weapons, indicating they are ready for action, and one of the obvious signs the border air force is under second-level combat readiness : Chinese Media .

#Ladakh

 

[Mikesingh]

Today's indian express.

Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank


Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.
Before External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi reached an agreement in Moscow on September 10 to dial down tensions along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, the heightened tensions led to a firing incident between Indian and Chinese troops on the north bank of Pangong Tso, far more intense than the firing of warning shots in the Chushul sub-sector, The Indian Express has learnt.

A top government officer, aware of the details, said this incident took place during the jockeying for dominating the Fingers on the north bank of the lake. According to the officer, “100 to 200 shots” were fired in the air by both sides on the ridgeline where Finger 3 and Finger 4 merge before moving north as one ridge.

Both India and China had issued statements on the firing incident in the Chushul sub-sector on September 7 which took place on a feature called Mukpari Heights — officials said this was the first time in 45 years that shots were fired along the LAC.

Till date, neither side has officially said anything about the firing on the north bank which took place after the Chushul incident, and was bigger in scale.

While tensions remain on the ground because the next round of talks between Corps Commanders of the two sides is awaited, it is not of the same levels as they were in the first week of September, the officer said.

“In the first week of September, there was a lot of movement” on both the north and south banks of Pangong Tso, the officer said, mentioning “multiple” incidents of firing in the region in the first week of September

There was, he said, “one small incident” about which, he said, “our chaps didn’t even feel was serious enough to report”. This, he said, was “the Mukpari incident, in which a couple of rounds were fired, which we came to know one day later”.

“Then on the north bank, 100-200 rounds were fired by both sides,” the officer said. “This was near the ridge of Finger 3 and Finger 4, and from where it starts climbing up.”

In the week after the night of August 29-30, when Indian troops pre-empted PLA moves and out-manoeuvred them to occupy certain heights along the LAC, putting India in a position of advantage, there were continuous attempts by the Chinese to “dislodge” Indian troops from these previously unmanned locations.

At several positions in the Chushul sub-sector, on Pangong Tso’s south bank, the Indian and Chinese troops are less than 300 metres apart.

Over the next week, India readjusted its positions on the north bank of the lake as well — Chinese troops have been sitting on the ridge of Finger 4, which is 8 km west of Finger 8 which India says marks the LAC.

It was during these times that Indian and Chinese troops fired around 100 rounds each, in the air. In this area too, troops from two sides are positioned less than 500 metres from each other.

The situation, however, has since calmed down, the officer said. “Now things have cooled down because of the talks between our Defence Minister and their Defence Minister and the Foreign Ministers. The focus has shifted towards dialogue,” he said.

While the earlier “aggression” and constant “intimidation” by Chinese troops, he said, had stopped, “they are still there… Their presence is there, it doesn’t take very long to start up your tank and start moving again”.

“At the moment, the intimidation and aggression have stopped. The level (of discussions) has gone a little higher. Military commanders will talk of course, we will put across our point, they will put across their point. But I don’t think their military commander will have the mandate to agree to anything beyond a minor concession,” the officer said.

“Ultimately, it will be a top-driven thing. That is the importance of the dialogue which we are having at the Foreign Minister-level and Defence Minister-level,” he said.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met his Chinese counterpart Wei Fenghe in Moscow on September 4. Jaishankar met Wang on September 10. While the meeting of Defence Ministers did not manage to break the stalemate, the Foreign Ministers issued a joint statement to “continue their dialogue, quickly disengage, maintain proper distance and ease tensions” and work towards new confidence-building measures” between the two sides given the existing trust deficit
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.

“They accepted that the talks will be there. But the date is not yet fixed. Once the agenda is also received, the delegation list is received, then we will see if should include somebody from Delhi, from MEA also,” he said.

According to the officer, before India occupied the heights along the LAC in the Chushul sub-sector, China was in a position of advantage, and at the discussions at the military and diplomatic levels, “they were trying to bargain for time” as “at that particular stage they were better off” and “they had no reason to negotiate”.

“The Chinese were trying to do similar activity on the south bank” of the lake when Indian forces pre-empted their move. Now, the heights where Indian troops are positioned “are between the two lines” of the differing perceptions of LAC of the two countries.

On current positions on the Fingers on the north bank, the officer said Indian soldiers were above the Chinese deployment on Finger 4.

Chines troops, he said, are “trying to go further up” but “we are in a slightly better position, there is a limit to how much you can keep jockeying” on that ridgeline, and that the Chinese would not be able to sustain themselves at a point higher on the ridge than where the Indian soldiers are.

“Logistically,” the officer said, the Chinese will “not be able to stay” where they want to go, “especially in another month” when the peaks start getting snow. The Indian side, he said, had a shorter connection to their base at Finger 3 than the Chinese to their base between Finger 6 and Finger 7.

Commander level talks are a total waste of time and effort. Their military commander does not have the mandate to agree to anything beyond a very minor concession which would be as good as nothing. The orders come from Xi. So if he has ordained the PLA to stay put that's what they'll do. The commander dare not deviate from the script otherwise he would be hung by his balls by Xi himself!

 

[fire starter]

Commander level talks are a total waste of time and effort. Their military commander does not have the mandate to agree to anything beyond a very minor concession which would be as good as nothing. The orders come from Xi. So if he has ordained the PLA to stay put that's what they'll do. The commander dare not deviate from the script otherwise he would be hung by his balls by Xi himself!

I think that colonel who was called back to Beijing has been thrown in front of firing squad.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Russia is really going out of its way to work against us.

With lac becoming another loc it is not in our interest to maintain 2 active borders.

This is simply too costly for a country like us we need to settle our borders with pakistan and put our on China.

This whole peace led by russia is just bullshit it is just going to cause us more trouble.

India wi have to take the initiative and do something or else with we will be stuck with 2 active borders and large expenditue.

We have to bite the bullet and finish this artificial entity called Pakistan once and for all
it will solve 90% of our internal security Problems and
an independent Baluchistan and Sindhudesh will also provide us a land route to Central Asia and Europe which we can use for export And import
we can lay gas pipelines to import cheap oil from Central Asia and Europe

 

[Bhadra]

Saw detailed video... mentionable items:

RTE Mutton Rogan Josh
RTE chicken masala
RTE baked potatoes
Totapuri mango
RTE upma
RTE sooji halwa
Mixed dry fruits sachets... & so on
each in hundreds of cartons

Very good food.... for one week, may be..
If one gets this in Delhi in a Party, it will be a great hit.
But surviving on it is torturous... baked potatoes, baked this and baked that is something which though very luxurious somehow simply does not get into Indian lads mindset.

That is why you see Isbagol Bhussi in the picture,,,, that is the whole crux...

However, I personally believe food reservation is the future Indian nutrition mantra... am the easy way to get over malnutrition problems as also increase in obesity....

 

[mandestiny]

Russia is really going out of its way to work against us.

With lac becoming another loc it is not in our interest to maintain 2 active borders.

This is simply too costly for a country like us we need to settle our borders with pakistan and put our on China.

This whole peace led by russia is just bullshit it is just going to cause us more trouble.

India wi have to take the initiative and do something or else with we will be stuck with 2 active borders and large expenditue.

Make lac as loc hot phir chineez ko smagh main ayenga. I dont think master would like to have loc like boundary after all they are not as mad as slave one.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Gilgit Baltistan has borders with Afghanistan if we capture GB we can use it import minerals from Afghanistan which will help Afghanistan economy as well

 

[UZI™️]

Time to Work with P.M.Yoshihidesuga Against Cheene Virus.

 

[UZI™️]

 

[UZI™️]

 

[UZI™️]

Eh?

 

[Spindrift]

these Italian and gandhi sperms will never love our country or will ever accept our culture or heritage. its shame on us, our own people who are born and brought up in INDIA are sniffing the Italian butt cracks day and night.

Well, technically its Italian ovum and Gandhi sperm

 

[Rajpal s]

Formation of Mirage fighter jet doing some serious manoeuvres over ambala cantt.litteraly over my head now.

 

[Knowitall]

Let me explain to everyone here what a loc type border with china is something we can maintain but simply should not.

Having two hot borders costs a lot of money and while we can afford it it means the diversion of precious funds which could have been used for the modernization of our armed forces.

Just look at the projects that have been delayed cancelled or left in cold storage due to the lack of funds.

Pakistan and china don't suffer from the same issues as us.

We are a defensive country we never attack on our own. We are reactive in nature not proactive which means that our neighbors don't have to take similar precautions like us.

They don't have to maintain active borderes like us since they don't expect us to attack.

India will have to react first we have to go at them we need to turn into a proactive force. Force them to deploy like us threaten them with attack and turn the tables on them forcing them to either sue for peace or maintain heavy deployments like us.

Most importantly we need to settle 1 border atleast.

We are a developing country with a lot of priorities and it is simply not logical for us to waste precious money in deployments when they could be used for something else.