India-China 2020 Border conflict
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If Army did "ready for Winter" media coverage yesterday, it means conflict could be happening late-September. If they wanted to do a "ready for Winter" press event, it would have been done in late-October, as Winter begins to set in from early-November in Ladakh. Another consideration is the beginning of the Parliamentary session.
Yesterday was more of a "ready for War" press event than "ready for Winter."
Yesterday was more of a "ready for War" press event than "ready for Winter."
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Saw detailed video... mentionable items:
RTE Mutton Rogan Josh
RTE chicken masala
RTE baked potatoes
Totapuri mango
RTE upma
RTE sooji halwa
Mixed dry fruits sachets... & so on
each in hundreds of cartons
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Pic 1) Pakistani way of changing the map. Pic 2) Indian way of changing the map. PS : Understand the Difference. Jai Hind
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Personally, I think India should dump SCO if Pakistan remains in it. We should not be a part of any entity that has a Terrorist as a member. #Hypocrisy here
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Side Note: And the map of Pakistan needs to be re-worked. On ground.
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Side Note: And the map of Pakistan needs to be re-worked. On ground.
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Who has the right to officially fire these people, America?
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Yep! But a major issue is regarding the shelf life of ammunition causing difficulties - properly stored, bullets shells and missiles can last for years. Though the older lot ammo is downgraded to training ammo, but with large stocks and inadequate storage facilities, it can degrade unnoticed, causing problems when fired.
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At least India withdrew from the military exercise in Russia, due to the participation of China & Pakistan and that sent a message. India had planned to send 200 military personnel, including 180 personnel from an infantry battalion and observers from the IAF and the Navy, to take part in the exercise, also known as Caucasus-20.
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Today's indian express.
Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank
Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.
Before External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi reached an agreement in Moscow on September 10 to dial down tensions along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, the heightened tensions led to a firing incident between Indian and Chinese troops on the north bank of Pangong Tso, far more intense than the firing of warning shots in the Chushul sub-sector, The Indian Express has learnt.
A top government officer, aware of the details, said this incident took place during the jockeying for dominating the Fingers on the north bank of the lake. According to the officer, “100 to 200 shots” were fired in the air by both sides on the ridgeline where Finger 3 and Finger 4 merge before moving north as one ridge.
Both India and China had issued statements on the firing incident in the Chushul sub-sector on September 7 which took place on a feature called Mukpari Heights — officials said this was the first time in 45 years that shots were fired along the LAC.
Till date, neither side has officially said anything about the firing on the north bank which took place after the Chushul incident, and was bigger in scale.
While tensions remain on the ground because the next round of talks between Corps Commanders of the two sides is awaited, it is not of the same levels as they were in the first week of September, the officer said.
“In the first week of September, there was a lot of movement” on both the north and south banks of Pangong Tso, the officer said, mentioning “multiple” incidents of firing in the region in the first week of September
There was, he said, “one small incident” about which, he said, “our chaps didn’t even feel was serious enough to report”. This, he said, was “the Mukpari incident, in which a couple of rounds were fired, which we came to know one day later”.
“Then on the north bank, 100-200 rounds were fired by both sides,” the officer said. “This was near the ridge of Finger 3 and Finger 4, and from where it starts climbing up.”
In the week after the night of August 29-30, when Indian troops pre-empted PLA moves and out-manoeuvred them to occupy certain heights along the LAC, putting India in a position of advantage, there were continuous attempts by the Chinese to “dislodge” Indian troops from these previously unmanned locations.
At several positions in the Chushul sub-sector, on Pangong Tso’s south bank, the Indian and Chinese troops are less than 300 metres apart.
Over the next week, India readjusted its positions on the north bank of the lake as well — Chinese troops have been sitting on the ridge of Finger 4, which is 8 km west of Finger 8 which India says marks the LAC.
It was during these times that Indian and Chinese troops fired around 100 rounds each, in the air. In this area too, troops from two sides are positioned less than 500 metres from each other.
The situation, however, has since calmed down, the officer said. “Now things have cooled down because of the talks between our Defence Minister and their Defence Minister and the Foreign Ministers. The focus has shifted towards dialogue,” he said.
While the earlier “aggression” and constant “intimidation” by Chinese troops, he said, had stopped, “they are still there… Their presence is there, it doesn’t take very long to start up your tank and start moving again”.
“At the moment, the intimidation and aggression have stopped. The level (of discussions) has gone a little higher. Military commanders will talk of course, we will put across our point, they will put across their point. But I don’t think their military commander will have the mandate to agree to anything beyond a minor concession,” the officer said.
“Ultimately, it will be a top-driven thing. That is the importance of the dialogue which we are having at the Foreign Minister-level and Defence Minister-level,” he said.
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met his Chinese counterpart Wei Fenghe in Moscow on September 4. Jaishankar met Wang on September 10. While the meeting of Defence Ministers did not manage to break the stalemate, the Foreign Ministers issued a joint statement to “continue their dialogue, quickly disengage, maintain proper distance and ease tensions” and work towards new confidence-building measures” between the two sides given the existing trust deficit
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.
“They accepted that the talks will be there. But the date is not yet fixed. Once the agenda is also received, the delegation list is received, then we will see if should include somebody from Delhi, from MEA also,” he said.
According to the officer, before India occupied the heights along the LAC in the Chushul sub-sector, China was in a position of advantage, and at the discussions at the military and diplomatic levels, “they were trying to bargain for time” as “at that particular stage they were better off” and “they had no reason to negotiate”.
“The Chinese were trying to do similar activity on the south bank” of the lake when Indian forces pre-empted their move. Now, the heights where Indian troops are positioned “are between the two lines” of the differing perceptions of LAC of the two countries.
On current positions on the Fingers on the north bank, the officer said Indian soldiers were above the Chinese deployment on Finger 4.
Chines troops, he said, are “trying to go further up” but “we are in a slightly better position, there is a limit to how much you can keep jockeying” on that ridgeline, and that the Chinese would not be able to sustain themselves at a point higher on the ridge than where the Indian soldiers are.
“Logistically,” the officer said, the Chinese will “not be able to stay” where they want to go, “especially in another month” when the peaks start getting snow. The Indian side, he said, had a shorter connection to their base at Finger 3 than the Chinese to their base between Finger 6 and Finger 7.
Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank
Before Moscow pact, Indian & Chinese troops fired 100-200 rounds on Pangong north bank
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.
Before External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi reached an agreement in Moscow on September 10 to dial down tensions along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, the heightened tensions led to a firing incident between Indian and Chinese troops on the north bank of Pangong Tso, far more intense than the firing of warning shots in the Chushul sub-sector, The Indian Express has learnt.
A top government officer, aware of the details, said this incident took place during the jockeying for dominating the Fingers on the north bank of the lake. According to the officer, “100 to 200 shots” were fired in the air by both sides on the ridgeline where Finger 3 and Finger 4 merge before moving north as one ridge.
Both India and China had issued statements on the firing incident in the Chushul sub-sector on September 7 which took place on a feature called Mukpari Heights — officials said this was the first time in 45 years that shots were fired along the LAC.
Till date, neither side has officially said anything about the firing on the north bank which took place after the Chushul incident, and was bigger in scale.
While tensions remain on the ground because the next round of talks between Corps Commanders of the two sides is awaited, it is not of the same levels as they were in the first week of September, the officer said.
“In the first week of September, there was a lot of movement” on both the north and south banks of Pangong Tso, the officer said, mentioning “multiple” incidents of firing in the region in the first week of September
There was, he said, “one small incident” about which, he said, “our chaps didn’t even feel was serious enough to report”. This, he said, was “the Mukpari incident, in which a couple of rounds were fired, which we came to know one day later”.
“Then on the north bank, 100-200 rounds were fired by both sides,” the officer said. “This was near the ridge of Finger 3 and Finger 4, and from where it starts climbing up.”
In the week after the night of August 29-30, when Indian troops pre-empted PLA moves and out-manoeuvred them to occupy certain heights along the LAC, putting India in a position of advantage, there were continuous attempts by the Chinese to “dislodge” Indian troops from these previously unmanned locations.
At several positions in the Chushul sub-sector, on Pangong Tso’s south bank, the Indian and Chinese troops are less than 300 metres apart.
Over the next week, India readjusted its positions on the north bank of the lake as well — Chinese troops have been sitting on the ridge of Finger 4, which is 8 km west of Finger 8 which India says marks the LAC.
It was during these times that Indian and Chinese troops fired around 100 rounds each, in the air. In this area too, troops from two sides are positioned less than 500 metres from each other.
The situation, however, has since calmed down, the officer said. “Now things have cooled down because of the talks between our Defence Minister and their Defence Minister and the Foreign Ministers. The focus has shifted towards dialogue,” he said.
While the earlier “aggression” and constant “intimidation” by Chinese troops, he said, had stopped, “they are still there… Their presence is there, it doesn’t take very long to start up your tank and start moving again”.
“At the moment, the intimidation and aggression have stopped. The level (of discussions) has gone a little higher. Military commanders will talk of course, we will put across our point, they will put across their point. But I don’t think their military commander will have the mandate to agree to anything beyond a minor concession,” the officer said.
“Ultimately, it will be a top-driven thing. That is the importance of the dialogue which we are having at the Foreign Minister-level and Defence Minister-level,” he said.
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met his Chinese counterpart Wei Fenghe in Moscow on September 4. Jaishankar met Wang on September 10. While the meeting of Defence Ministers did not manage to break the stalemate, the Foreign Ministers issued a joint statement to “continue their dialogue, quickly disengage, maintain proper distance and ease tensions” and work towards new confidence-building measures” between the two sides given the existing trust deficit
The two sides have agreed to hold another round of talks between the Corps Commanders though the date is still to be decided. The officer indicated that this time, the talks may include an official from the Ministry of External Affairs.
“They accepted that the talks will be there. But the date is not yet fixed. Once the agenda is also received, the delegation list is received, then we will see if should include somebody from Delhi, from MEA also,” he said.
According to the officer, before India occupied the heights along the LAC in the Chushul sub-sector, China was in a position of advantage, and at the discussions at the military and diplomatic levels, “they were trying to bargain for time” as “at that particular stage they were better off” and “they had no reason to negotiate”.
“The Chinese were trying to do similar activity on the south bank” of the lake when Indian forces pre-empted their move. Now, the heights where Indian troops are positioned “are between the two lines” of the differing perceptions of LAC of the two countries.
On current positions on the Fingers on the north bank, the officer said Indian soldiers were above the Chinese deployment on Finger 4.
Chines troops, he said, are “trying to go further up” but “we are in a slightly better position, there is a limit to how much you can keep jockeying” on that ridgeline, and that the Chinese would not be able to sustain themselves at a point higher on the ridge than where the Indian soldiers are.
“Logistically,” the officer said, the Chinese will “not be able to stay” where they want to go, “especially in another month” when the peaks start getting snow. The Indian side, he said, had a shorter connection to their base at Finger 3 than the Chinese to their base between Finger 6 and Finger 7.
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weeks ago America thinkers stressed on India leaving SCO and joining QUAD, the time might be coming soon.
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Saw in news food supplies besides other stuffs being sent to laddakh .. canned tuna, choco malt , canned chicken, something like carrot powder(gajar halwa powder i gess) , egg powder, canned mango, dried vegetables and many more like that i cnt remember ... felt really good . We have come a long way since our soldiers had to survive with milk powder only fr 6months in siachin .
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it might be cheap tactic to damage India Russia relations.
Day by day escalation ladder is going up. Get ready for deceptional war boys.
Ladakh crisis: Army has stocked winter supplies enough to last a year
The Army and the Air Force have started stocking essential supplies in Ladakh to meet troops' requirements ahead of the harsh winter.
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Ya'll Nibbiars Situation tense after shots fired at the LAC. Local commanders met to ensure things don't escalate. Status quo at LAC since firing incident. India and China recently drew up a 5-point plan to dial down tensions along the LAC. There are about 27 'points of dispute' between India and China.
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