India-China 2020 Border conflict

[mist_consecutive]

we occupied area around PP14 in galwan , from around may 15 - 22 .

then withdrew , dont know y .

chinese used this as propaganda to claim we were at fault ,

we occupied the galwan peaks at around same time.



Was talking about the F4 vid the chinese released , looks to me like we are holding peaks , they are downridge.

IMHO galwan thing is also true , check below , may 17 2020 vs may 22 2020.

pretty much inline with chinese sat image , except they took it out of context .

bizzare but IMHO we played nice and withdrew , then they pushed forward , then we cross LAC again in june 10 , then withdrew aagain , then clash.

The build-up you are showing is exactly at LAC.

This is the correct LAC. The helipad above is called PP14 (peninsula where the clash happened).

 

[mokoman]

The build-up you are showing is exactly at LAC.

This is the correct LAC. The helipad above is called PP14 (peninsula where the clash happened).

yes , we had posts not just at and behind PP14 but ahead also.

i dont have high res image , but u can make it out in the gif itself - its at the first bend.

but we moved back on may 22 , fully , u can see that in gif too.

 

[Gandaberunda]

RUMINT:



Hard to say at this juncture, as it will be un-announced just like previous year's visit.

Diwali is coming soon so PM routine Diwali visit to troops as he is being doing previous years. Nothing much to read into this

 

[doreamon]

Article makes some point abt end of china's rise . China ll remain a power but it wont be something like USA like we were all predicting . And USA due to all these immigrations of qualified people from all around the world and invasion of higher fertility people from south might maintain a suitable demography in future ..

The End of China’s Rise

Beijing is running out of time to remake the world.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[fire starter]

This is called self goal.

 

[notaname]

 

[mokoman]

already located, niceeee.

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[Jimih]

Diwali is coming soon so PM routine Diwali visit to troops as he is being doing previous years. Nothing much to read into this

Diwali is atleast 1 month later, from tweet the guy sounded urgently.

 

[The Shrike]

We did not, Chinkis tried to occupy it, ITBP (from Maj. Dhan Singh Thapa post) went to clash with them with nothing but wooden sticks (some didn't even have that), were beaten black and blue by their superior numbers, and kicked out. Its video exists, we did a geo-location of it last year.

The awesome thing was this happened in late April to early May and ITBP just swallowed this incident and under-reported Chinese aggression & incursion which lead to slow and delayed deployment of army in large numbers. This mistake of ITBP has been frowned upon by many defense veterans.

IMO Sounds more like a blame game than a genuine reason. The PLA were conducting excercise in record numbers, they were building a new road in Galwan valley, and then send their forces right upto or across LAC including a at least a batallion sized force to beat ITBP black and blue - and we are to believe that IA did not know because ITBP tried to hush it up? BTW that fight with hundreds of troops would have been visible from miles away including OPs in the southern bank no?

 

[mist_consecutive]

Nitin Gokhale is doing a splendid job in doing the required publicity necessary for our armed forces.

 

[The Shrike]

Somebody tell this nibber not to post stuff without context?

 

[mist_consecutive]

IMO Sounds more like a blame game than a genuine reason. The PLA were conducting excercise in record numbers, they were building a new road in Galwan valley, and then send their forces right upto or across LAC including a at least a batallion sized force to beat ITBP black and blue - and we are to believe that IA did not know because ITBP tried to hush it up?

Not my words, it is exactly what happened, I can't find the tweets/article right now to show the proof.

What basically happened is Chinese came in large numbers, clashes happened on the LAC, but the local ITBP commander did not find it important enough to report it to higher command, but rather tried to handle it himself (probably out of fear of getting rebuked for not able to handle small matters and relying on the army).
When he finally felt like reporting the full picture to the higher command, things were already quite late, and the Chinese has already built up and captured the peaks.

Of course, ITBPs won't be able to handle battalion-size Chinese forces, ITBP's task isn't to face the Chinese, but just to police the border and handle small matters, not full-scale war build-up.

In essence, the ITBP commander's decision of not immediately reporting delayed our response and we let the Chinese get entrenched on F4 ridge.

BTW that fight with hundreds of troops would have been visible from miles away including OPs in the southern bank no?

No, it is not remotely visible to naked eye, maybe with powerful binoculars, and if you know where to look, you might.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Boys, chai and pakore back on the menu !

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Anyone knows how many K9 thunder have been deployed in Ladakh? And is there any plan to increase the number of K9s, cause the 100 initially ordered were meant for Punjab, rajasthan.

What is the total requirement of SPH by IA?

 

[mokoman]

Somebody tell this nibber not to post stuff without context?

@mist_consecutive are we doing build up at gawlan PP14 now ???

never thought u would peddle fake news

SHAME . SHAME . SHAME

@mods should took a look and ban him if possible

like this comment if u guys agree.

 

[JBH22]

Article makes some point abt end of china's rise . China ll remain a power but it wont be something like USA like we were all predicting . And USA due to all these immigrations of qualified people from all around the world and invasion of higher fertility people from south might maintain a suitable demography in future ..

The End of China’s Rise

Beijing is running out of time to remake the world.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Two things from the above;
a) Higher fertility rates ok, but is this mass of people going to benefit the state. If yes good, if they don't educate themselves and are productive then it will only add headache to an already polarised society. At some point in time quality will outshine quantity.
2) The days of unipolar power is gone, how are they going to tackle their spiralling debt problem is yet to be seen.

 

[Jimih]

Anyone knows how many K9 thunder have been deployed in Ladakh?

MI wants to know your location.

 

[doreamon]

Two things from the above;
a) Higher fertility rates ok, but is this mass of people going to benefit the state. If yes good, if they don't educate themselves and are productive then it will only add headache to an already polarised society. At some point in time quality will outshine quantity.
2) The days of unipolar power is gone, how are they going to tackle their spiralling debt problem is yet to be seen.

My understanding so far has been is that immigrants to USA quickly adopt American culture .. America has deep cultural power in that regard .. It has been showing it self as shining light and rest of the world as darkness for a long time .. And has been quiet successful in their quiet sophisticated propaganda .. I might change view in future .. Lets see how it plays out ..

But for europe it is going to back fire .. They are letting people inside who ll never adopt another culture and going to have different plan of their own in future ..

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

MI wants to know your location.

What ever we have is very less, our loses break our back if a war happens today.

 

[Jimih]

What ever we have is very less, our loses break our back if a war happens today.

And according to you, only K9 will decide the outcome of war?