India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Apollo]

This guy Saurav Jha is turning into a full-fledged bababanaras-level jingo from a journalist.

Not all his tweets though, he was right sometimes specifically wrt to china

 

[Covfefe]

Time for the whole nation to back our armed forces at border. Planning of War Conspiracy by enemies growing every day

What happened? All of a sudden?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Time for the whole nation to back our armed forces at border. Planning of War Conspiracy by enemies growing every day

For the nation to come together, people need to be taken in confidence, a nationalistic feeling needs to be triggered among the masses. A perfect opportunity was post Galwan, but it was rather decided to go with na koi aaya na koi ghusa hai. Majority people aren't still aware what is happening at the LAC, on dfi we get to know some things, credit to some satellite images from a few members. Lt. gen Rakesh Sharma former GOC 14 corps, recently suggested China might have done what it did in Ladakh to trigger a nationalistic feeling among its people, so why couldn't we use this situation to do so? Most media houses are doing propaganda either in favor of the government or against it. We have seen videos/pics of Galwan clashes only from their side, why can't we release such videos? Will it not raise nationalism (or bring hyper-nationalism down to nationalism) among people?

Till the time people are not given a proper picture of what has happened in the past 18 months in Ladakh (not deployment specific), what went wrong initially that allowed pla to make incursions, what steps we took, what is the reality of the bufferzone, etc., it is highly unlikely that people will come together on this issue.

 

[rock127]

Lullikattas posted along with Chotilullis

Pakistan's Army officers deployed in Chinese PLA's Western and Southern Theatre Command: Intel reports

As per the intelligence inputs, around 10 additional Pakistan Army officers, apart from defence attaches, are also posted in the Pakistan embassy in Beijing for procurement-related projects

www.firstpost.com

May be Chinese got bored after loooong deputation in COLD mountains and need some GARMI!

This is where Paki CUCK Army can be very handy in pleasing Chinese soldiers! Doesn't matter the location!

Notice the ON-TOP hand position of Chinese soldiers below.

 

[flanker99]

This guy Saurav Jha is turning into a full-fledged bababanaras-level jingo from a journalist.

Anyone following him long enough will know he is far from various babaji.
From what I can tell he has many reliable sources in both gov and mil so something must be happening or has happened.
Lets see.

 

[Jimih]

More Propaganda videos

 

[Apollo]

For the nation to come together, people need to be taken in confidence, a nationalistic feeling needs to be triggered among the masses. A perfect opportunity was post Galwan, but it was rather decided to go with na koi aaya na koi ghusa hai. Majority people aren't still aware what is happening at the LAC, on dfi we get to know some things, credit to some satellite images from a few members. Lt. gen Rakesh Sharma former GOC 14 corps, recently suggested China might have done what it did in Ladakh to trigger a nationalistic feeling among its people, so why couldn't we use this situation to do so? Most media houses are doing propaganda either in favor of the government or against it. We have seen videos/pics of Galwan clashes only from their side, why can't we release such videos? Will it not raise nationalism (or bring hyper-nationalism down to nationalism) among people?

Till the time people are not given a proper picture of what has happened in the past 18 months in Ladakh (not deployment specific), what went wrong initially that allowed pla to make incursions, what steps we took, what is the reality of the bufferzone, etc., it is highly unlikely that people will come together on this issue.

Govt always wanted to downplay the situation from day 1, coz govt very much concerned that public getting info on LAC intrusion cud backfire their political prospects, even media shows some realities and crucial info get brushed under carpet. Lack of a sensible opposition in place, govt cud take everything granted. COAS recently admitted that chinese transgression will continue until there is settlement. On reality chinese not in favor of any border settlement soon, so how exactly are we going to counter the endless salami slicing tactics

 

[Jimih]

Maybe danda by new I&B Minister

 

[mist_consecutive]

Not all his tweets though, he was right sometimes specifically wrt to china

Anyone following him long enough will know he is far from various babaji.
From what I can tell he has many reliable sources in both gov and mil so something must be happening or has happened.
Lets see.

Opinions can differ, but according to my experience and knowledge, what he says are extremely obvious things and "wishlists" at best.

Without digging out his older tweets (saw his older tweets posted but did not feel like ranting to his generic answers), lets take a look at latest one which we are debating.

1. Mobilize properly:- Wishful thought, we all know looming threat and collusion of China + Pakistan poses a grave threat to India. The correct thing will be to start mandatory conscription like China, divert massive budget towards defense, crush all the opposition (liberals, naxals, separatism, sleeper cells) under draconian laws and start "emergency" conditions in the nation.
   
   But of course, this is never gonna happen, only possible if Pakistan + China declare full-fledged war and we take massive casualties (WW2 level, millions killed per week).
   
   
2. Display of Nuclear strength:- Massive international backlash, China doubling-down with EU + America to put sanctions on us. The world calls us warmonger, foreign investments pull out, bloodbath in the stock market due to panic, economy down the drain.
   
   Result? Nearly nothing. Pakistan still salivating at the prospect of defeating us and achieving gawza-e-hind, China doesn't care because they know we won't nuke them for salami slicing some hundred-ish kilometers.

In short, his statements and opinions are Mr. Obvious-kind and pretty childish. Might be fun for a defense newbie but for veterans understanding geopolitical stances it is laughable.

Exact spot where Clash took place

Not exact spot. Beyond buffer zone in the Chinese side, both I & @mokoman has posted about it before.

 

[Jimih]

No forced hands, Modi will seek for peaceful settlement.

 

[doreamon]

Why are they playing cute song in background ... Kpop has spoiled chinese people ...

CCP noticed my concern ..

Chinese social media site Weibo suspends 22 K-pop accounts

The social media site says 22 fan accounts have been suspended for "irrational celebrity support”.

www.bbc.com

 

[Knowitall]

No forced hands, Modi will seek for peaceful settlement.

Lol ofcourse it will be peaceful settlement.

For all his bister during balakot guy couldn't even show his face properly barring one video after galwan.

Whatever happened to ghar me ghus ke marenge apparently soldiers deaths are fine if the Chinese do it.

 

[Suhaldev]

Maybe danda by new I&B Minister

LOL, too much credit to govt.

 

[flanker99]

Opinions can differ, but according to my experience and knowledge, what he says are extremely obvious things and "wishlists" at best.

Without digging out his older tweets (saw his older tweets posted but did not feel like ranting to his generic answers), lets take a look at latest one which we are debating.

1. Mobilize properly:- Wishful thought, we all know looming threat and collusion of China + Pakistan poses a grave threat to India. The correct thing will be to start mandatory conscription like China, divert massive budget towards defense, crush all the opposition (liberals, naxals, separatism, sleeper cells) under draconian laws and start "emergency" conditions in the nation.
   
   But of course, this is never gonna happen, only possible if Pakistan + China declare full-fledged war and we take massive casualties (WW2 level, millions killed per week).
   
   
2. Display of Nuclear strength:- Massive international backlash, China doubling-down with EU + America to put sanctions on us. The world calls us warmonger, foreign investments pull out, bloodbath in the stock market due to panic, economy down the drain.
   
   Result? Nearly nothing. Pakistan still salivating at the prospect of defeating us and achieving gawza-e-hind, China doesn't care because they know we won't nuke them for salami slicing some hundred-ish kilometers.

In short, his statements and opinions are Mr. Obvious-kind and pretty childish. Might be fun for a defense newbie but for veterans understanding geopolitical stances it is laughable.



Not exact spot. Beyond buffer zone in the Chinese side, both I & @mokoman has posted about it before.

One can interpret his statement how ever they want but what i meant is when he is ranting on something he rants because of proper reasons unlike babaji's.
Like he has been ranting about middle sector and arunachal for ages now ...we have already seen one heat up a bit and i doubt arunachal is calm

 

[THESIS THORON]

if we go to war now then what abt 10-12% gdp growth ??

i think that is the main question

 

[Hari Sud]

India-China conflict will escalate

This unnecessary conflict is for a tiny bit of cold desert wasteland in Ladakh. It has no reason to start in fifties/sixties and no reason to reignite in 2020. With patience, military and civilian diplomacy forced the Chinese back at two places but they still are there at the other two places of definitely no consequence. The world is laughing as china who claims itself as a super power is military trying to defeat an equal power of Asia, that is India. India is militarily prepared which surprised China last year and they decided to seek accommodation a bit but not back down a Lot.

This conflict is going to escalate in coming winter months. India is searching for technological superior industry like chip making to enhance its prestige in the world. No European power or Americans are ready to part with the technology which is a $100 billion industry today and is going grow bigger and bigger. India saw an opportunity in Taiwan to part with, not only technology but set up a huge manufacturing in India. Private talks between Taiwan and India were encouraging. In short, Taiwan will setup a chip making plant in India costing $7.5 billion of which India will pay a part of it. Bravo…. If the deal becomes a reality, this may make India a world chip supplier.

Now this deal making behind mainland China’s back is not going to go well with them. For 70 years, India has maintained a one China stand and had no commercial relations with Taiwan. The chip making deal is too good for India to give up if China does not like it…… then tough luck.

‘Now if that happens…. Chinese will be hopping mad. They will threaten to snap ties with India and may withdraw its ambassador from India, which is logical. Who knows they may escalate tension at the LAC and try to stage another Galwan type skirmish again at another place close enough. …… In fact, that is what India wants that they escalate situation to firing at Indian positions, short of a military action. That is what Indian Army wants to avenge the death of 20 of its soldiers at Galwan river valley a year earlier. Winter is the right time for it. The Chinese conscripts soldiers will refuse to fight the seasoned Indian troops hence Chinese will run back on their heels. Nothing more is expected from China other than belligerence but in fact Indians are too well prepared in Ladakh with Artillery, tanks and better quality fighter jets to beat the hell out of them. Moreover Chinese are too afraid of loosing a fight because with it there will be major blow to their prestige.

If Taiwan offers the chip making in India then something will happen and it is not diplomatic protest will not suffice, hence all eyes will be focussed on Ladakh. Who knows Chinese after a lot of noise may simmer down. That will open a channel for the rest of the world to open relationship with Taiwan. That is a win-win for them

 

[FalconSlayers]

China has lost its face as a reliable factory and manufacturing power of world. Now all counties across the globe would make sure to have an alternate supply chain which is completely decoupled from CHina.
Hope this gets some much needed semiconductor Fab based projects in India. Things are all gloomy for China and bright for India at this point of time. Its now or never for us.

 

[prasadr14]

I can easily see India replacing China buying Aussie coal and other in energy and infra sectors.

In return, Australia could move some of it's imports from China to India.
More than India this will benefit Aus more as we have been strangulated by China for being too dependent on them economically.

At this point, China seems to be a massive loser.

 

[notaname]

China sent 38 warplanes into the skies around Taiwan on Friday, the highest number of Chinese military aircraft to breach the island's ADIZ in a single day since Taipei began publicly reporting such activities last year, Tawain's Defense Ministry said. https://t.co/cwY49A5pBS

 

[fire starter]

But according to Chinese bots.
'Sab changa si'.