IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[White Wolf]

All PAF F-16s are counted:- US Officials

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

A second senior U.S. defense official with knowledge of the count confirmed that U.S. authorities on the ground found that no Pakistani F-16s were missing.

Evidence suggests that Pakistan’s F-16s were involved in the battle. The remnants of a U.S.-made AIM-120 air-to-air missile was found near the site; out of all the aircraft involved, only the F-16 can shoot such a weapon.

When the incident occurred, India asked the U.S. government to investigate whether Pakistan’s use of the F-16 against India violated the terms of the foreign military sale agreements.

However, the first defense official said the agreement did not involve any terms limiting the use of the F-16s.

“It would be incredibly naive for us to believe that we could sell some type of equipment to Pakistan that they would not intend to use in a fight,” the official said.

The U.S. State Department and the Indian and Pakistani embassies declined to comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/0...Zzrn-qL6b6VBX1K_8k5vexbwlW8pC0ao040s1hNeYxECo

Ahhh!!! You are back again. You see this post is already being discussed since the last 4-5 pages, no point in spamming.

 

[asianobserve]

This is all fake news. The Americans never inspected anything because there was no evidence to suggest a violation of the end user agreement. Pakistan is allowed to shoot at Indian aircraft all day, they gave it to them to deter India from running them over.

US 'very closely' following reports of F-16 misuse by Pakistan: State Department

The US State Department has said that America is seeking more information from Pakistan on the potential misuse of American-made F-16 fighter jets by it against India in violation of the end-user agreement.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...tan-state-department/articleshow/68287158.cms

 

[Aaj ka hero]

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit

I object you lord. :biggrin2:
no respected defense journalist will ever say an upgraded aircraft with ISRAELI avionics "vintage", only butt destroyed person says this.
You know attack first and your chances of victory increases.
Aunty and paki uncles are doing the same.

 

[Armand2REP]

US 'very closely' following reports of F-16 misuse by Pakistan: State Department


https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...tan-state-department/articleshow/68287158.cms

Following closely doesn't mean starting an investigation and flying an inspection team to look for something they have no reason to look for.

 

[asianobserve]

Following closely doesn't mean starting an investigation and flying an inspection team to look for something they have no reason to look for.

Do you think the Americans can simply ignore the complaints of India on PAF's alleged illegal use of F-16s now that the US is trying to sell F-16s to India?

 

[patriots]

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[bose]

All PAF F-16s are counted:- US Officials

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

A second senior U.S. defense official with knowledge of the count confirmed that U.S. authorities on the ground found that no Pakistani F-16s were missing.

Evidence suggests that Pakistan’s F-16s were involved in the battle. The remnants of a U.S.-made AIM-120 air-to-air missile was found near the site; out of all the aircraft involved, only the F-16 can shoot such a weapon.

When the incident occurred, India asked the U.S. government to investigate whether Pakistan’s use of the F-16 against India violated the terms of the foreign military sale agreements.

However, the first defense official said the agreement did not involve any terms limiting the use of the F-16s.

“It would be incredibly naive for us to believe that we could sell some type of equipment to Pakistan that they would not intend to use in a fight,” the official said.

The U.S. State Department and the Indian and Pakistani embassies declined to comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/0...Zzrn-qL6b6VBX1K_8k5vexbwlW8pC0ao040s1hNeYxECo

FAKE NEWS !!

Let USA officially confirm it then we can debate else ... FAKE NEWS !!

 

[musalman]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...2KzBjIpL_PX0v3l8Bx4bgl8w7V3wo0ZorGptIGHiMEXL8


Hahahahahahahahahaha Now Rundians go ask the Russians to count your Su30. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[DivineHeretic]

I object you lord. :biggrin2:
no respected defense journalist will ever say an upgraded aircraft with ISRAELI avionics "vintage", only butt destroyed person says this.
You know attack first and your chances of victory increases.
Aunty and paki uncles are doing the same.

Nah it's vintage. So vintage that while Abhinandan was turning away from PoK and towards India, it's engine suffered loss of power during a high G evasive maneuver, and for a period of time was a sitting duck with minimal power and controls , during which he got shot down

 

[bose]

333333333333333334443334444

The one that went down was F-16 D a twin seater Pakistan got it from a third country probably Jordan ...

 

[bose]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...2KzBjIpL_PX0v3l8Bx4bgl8w7V3wo0ZorGptIGHiMEXL8


Hahahahahahahahahaha Now Rundians go ask the Russians to count your Su30. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

@tarunraju @sayareakd

Please take care of these BUTT HURT Jihadis ...

they are pedaling Fake News !!

 

[asianobserve]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...2KzBjIpL_PX0v3l8Bx4bgl8w7V3wo0ZorGptIGHiMEXL8


Hahahahahahahahahaha Now Rundians go ask the Russians to count your Su30. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Stop flame baiting or you will be reported!

 

[musalman]

Stop flame baiting or you will be reported!

The one that went down was F-16 D a twin seater Pakistan got it from a third country probably Jordan ...

@tarunraju @sayareakd

Please take care of these BUTT HURT Jihadis ...

they are pedaling Fake News !!

LOL talk about the Butt Hurt Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Armand2REP]

Do you think the Americans can simply ignore the complaints of India on PAF's alleged illegal use of F-16s now that the US is trying to sell F-16s to India?

Here is how that goes, a minion at the State Department calls a PAF official. We received reports you might have lost an F-16, is this true? PAF says, no they are all here. End of investigation.

 

[DivineHeretic]

LOL talk about the Butt Hurt Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Another pig from the land of pigsty.

Seriously guys, when you see a pig snorting at your from the side of the road, you don't go and argue with it. You ignore it. Or kick it off

 

[bose]

LOL talk about the Butt Hurt Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We put a red hot iron up your butt and that has made you running to this forum with your FAKE NEWS !!

BTW this is the way we slaughter a PIG ... we take a red hot iron and put up into their shit hole ... obviously we understand your pain ...

 

[White Wolf]

Now your airforce should ask the Russians to count your Su30.

BTW all 3rd Party purchases are through US and the registry of that plane is transferred from 3rd country to Pakistan. They must have counted those air crafts too

Ask your government to show the radar signature and HUD data of the plane which shot an imaginary SU-30. Showing kill patches to the madrasachaap paki awaam proves nothing.

 

[Enquirer]

Now your airforce should ask the Russians to count your Su30.

BTW all 3rd Party purchases are through US and the registry of that plane is transferred from 3rd country to Pakistan. They must have counted those air crafts too

"must have"?
You don't know!
You're just speculating to hide your embarrassment!

 

[bose]

Now your airforce should ask the Russians to count your Su30.

BTW all 3rd Party purchases are through US and the registry of that plane is transferred from 3rd country to Pakistan. They must have counted those air crafts too

SU-30 MKI has shown to the world that US AIM 120 C/D or something is useless ...

 

[advprashantbsr]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...2KzBjIpL_PX0v3l8Bx4bgl8w7V3wo0ZorGptIGHiMEXL8


Hahahahahahahahahaha Now Rundians go ask the Russians to count your Su30. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
PHELE TERI MAA KE LENGE ME KITNE ADMI

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...2KzBjIpL_PX0v3l8Bx4bgl8w7V3wo0ZorGptIGHiMEXL8


Hahahahahahahahahaha Now Rundians go ask the Russians to count your Su30. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

PHELE TERI MAA KE LENGE ME KITNE ADMI HAI VO COUNT KAR