IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Srinivas_K]

It also came to know how India experienced the experience of transforming its defeat into victory۔۔
But this time, Pakistan will compete on every front and on every forum..not only on battle field...
Because we win on the battlefield but you win on the table..

Time will tell who achieved their objectives and who scored a self goal .

 

[White Wolf]

... Has he said that the second pilot was isreali???

Has he given any explanation about the second pilot?? Did your media or Paki citizens bother to directly ask DGISPR about his absurd changing of statements??
How can he initially boldly claim that the second pilot is admitted in "CMH LAHORE" and later refute by saying they have only one pilot?? I don't buy this story. Englighten me if you can sir!

 

[deed123]

US count of Pakistan's F-16s fighter jets found none of them missing: Report
The finding by the US on the ground in Pakistan "directly contradicts" India's claim that its air force shot down an F-16 fighter jet during an aerial dogfight on Feb 27.
PTI|
Updated: Apr 05, 2019, 10.31 AM IST

A US count of the F-16s with Pakistan has found that none of them are "missing" and all the fighter planes were "present and accounted for", according to a report in a prominent American magazine.

The finding by the US on the ground in Pakistan "directly contradicts" India's claim that its air force shot down an F-16 fighter jet during an aerial dogfight on February 27.

The Indian Air Force on February 28 displayed pieces of the AMRAAM missile, fired by a Pakistani F-16, as e ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-them-missing-report/articleshow/68733231.cms

 

[asianobserve]

It needs US approval but not counting that falls under FMS sale only. That’s why Pakistan will not quote this article. Because it will force US to disclose that they did not count all PAF F-16.

If the US needs to approve it then the US will monitor it after the transfer. There's no reason why the US needs to approve it when it will not monitor it afterwards. There's no logic in it. Besides, all spares, repairs and upgrades must also be upproved by the US.

This is specially true in Pakistan's case since tye US wants to be closer to India.

 

[cyclops]

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.


https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/

Let's wait for the official report, but let's also remember that Muricans and pakis have lied before and on the highest levels at that.
You can't really put them past lying just to save face.

.....Pakistan's attempt to cover up the accident was assisted by some Pentagon and State Department officials who felt the false report of a Soviet 'kill' might help promote Pakistan's bid to acquire sophisticated U.S.-made AWACS radar airplanes, administration sources told United Press International.......

 

[Narasimh]

US count of Pakistan's F-16s fighter jets found none of them missing: Report
The finding by the US on the ground in Pakistan "directly contradicts" India's claim that its air force shot down an F-16 fighter jet during an aerial dogfight on Feb 27.
PTI|
Updated: Apr 05, 2019, 10.31 AM IST

A US count of the F-16s with Pakistan has found that none of them are "missing" and all the fighter planes were "present and accounted for", according to a report in a prominent American magazine.

The finding by the US on the ground in Pakistan "directly contradicts" India's claim that its air force shot down an F-16 fighter jet during an aerial dogfight on February 27.

The Indian Air Force on February 28 displayed pieces of the AMRAAM missile, fired by a Pakistani F-16, as e ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-them-missing-report/articleshow/68733231.cms

What's the big deal here! Of course US will try to defend their Jet especially when they are trying to sell it as a replacement to the very jet it was shot down with.. People on their high horses who think this news would sway elections are pitiable.

 

[asianobserve]

Let's wait for the official report, but let's also remember that Muricans and pakis have lied before and on the highest levels at that.
You can't really put them past lying just to save face.

.....Pakistan's attempt to cover up the accident was assisted by some Pentagon and State Department officials who felt the false report of a Soviet 'kill' might help promote Pakistan's bid to acquire sophisticated U.S.-made AWACS radar airplanes, administration sources told United Press International.......

The thing about America is that no Government lie will remain unknown for long as American media will eventually uncover them.

 

[Games Goblin]

Remember this report is from US media who was openly after their own presidents neck for alleged collusion with Russia

We all know that turned out.

 

[IndiaRising]

Electronic signatures will be shown by IAF. It will work well for modi before elections.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Nobody can prove to anyone when a person close his eyes and says that the white is black..

Then fly your entire fleet and disprove IAF? Once a Paki ******, always a Paki ******! :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Enquirer]

Let's just summarize what kind of proof has been pelted out by belligerent Pakis:

- DGISPR Ghafoora fool saying 3 pilots captured...wait, 2 captured....no, only 1 captured!!
- Reuters reporting about random craters from 100m below the target (Jaba Top)....they were disallowed to visit Jihadi camp, yet don't bother to mention it in their report!
- When Reuters were challenged about unprofessional reporting, they point to an Australian intern's report!
- Australian interns think a country that can launch it's own GPS satellites and can hit a target moving at 8kms/sec 300kms above earth did not know how to calculate Jaba Top's altitude!
- Lara come lately 'Pentagon reporter' who few weeks ago wrote a sales pitch for F16, now claims 'unnamed sources' having already counted the Paki F16s and vouch for their well being...

Did I miss anything or am I being biased to think Pakis & some White skinned contrarians are blowing hot smoke?

 

[Narasimh]

Nobody can prove to anyone when a person close his eyes and says that the white is black..

Right.. Pak and US are such upstanding Harischandra like countries and epitome of truth who have never lied or deceived.
Its not about closing eyes.. we are unable to keep our eyes open enough because there is so much salt in what comes out from your side!

 

[vampyrbladez]

Don't drag the QURAN or ISLAM in the discussion...
And you telling about our media ...Han.. it's like ...
Sieve tells percolator that you have two holes


QUOTE="Bleh, post: 1508931, member: 25336"]Names? Where is official statement from US? Were the Jordanian F-16s the Sherdils fly even counted?

If these are addressed then there could arise a possibility that;

1. ...the jet shot down was a Jf-17 (pretty similar silhoutte / radar signature) & IAF is mistaken.
2. ...the R-73 was evaded or jammed & WC Varthaman was mistaken.

But just your media by itself is as false as your Quran. The day after 91000 Paki soldiers surrendered in East-Pak to 13000 Indians, Paki papers headlined "victory is near" or some shit like that.

Plus ISPR just swallowed the initial claim of down 2 jets & capturing a 2nd pilot, pretending they never said it!!!
Why not show us that Sikh looking guy Shah(something) Ali alive?? (can someone plz chip in with the full name & photo)

[/QUOTE]

@Dovah spam accounts acting up here. Time to bring the ban hammer!

 

[bose]

Now what will be the next claim of India? is JF17?

Where is the second Indian pilot you claimed to capture ? You said he was injured and in hospital ... Where he is ? People in the ground saw three parasuites coming down ... You are hiding something ...

 

[bose]

It also came to know how India experienced the experience of transforming its defeat into victory۔۔
But this time, Pakistan will compete on every front and on every forum..not only on battle field...
Because we win on the battlefield but you win on the table..

1. India has taken out the Pakistani Nuclear bluff with Balakote strike !!

2. India has broken the restrain to hit back hard ... read Balakote strike !!

3. Pakistanis failed to strike back just entered 3 kms of LoC and ran back the moment they saw the SU-30 MKI...

4. Pakistan first country to lose a F-16 to Mig-21...

5. Going forward any terrorist attack from Pakistan will auto trigger similar Balakote type attack on Pakistan ...

 

[Joker]

Nobody can prove to anyone when a person close his eyes and says that the white is black..

Yes
Just like Bangladesh 1971, Kargil 1999 etc

 

[Armand2REP]

This is all fake news. The Americans never inspected anything because there was no evidence to suggest a violation of the end user agreement. Pakistan is allowed to shoot at Indian aircraft all day, they gave it to them to deter India from running them over.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

You're child... but
These are not children's playcraft..

Common old man, every body knows your COUNTRY KARGIL lies.
I am child in comparison to you but I know what is trusted source.
HERE a pakistani official source is just being peddled because of no IAF source, well IAF don't work according to DFI. What we are doing is only prediction, only abhinandan can say what shape that aircraft was?
Oi senior log did abhinandan sir said anything about the combat?
If yes, then please give to our pakistani uncle.

 

[vishwaprasad]

All PAF F-16s are counted:- US Officials

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

A second senior U.S. defense official with knowledge of the count confirmed that U.S. authorities on the ground found that no Pakistani F-16s were missing.

Evidence suggests that Pakistan’s F-16s were involved in the battle. The remnants of a U.S.-made AIM-120 air-to-air missile was found near the site; out of all the aircraft involved, only the F-16 can shoot such a weapon.

When the incident occurred, India asked the U.S. government to investigate whether Pakistan’s use of the F-16 against India violated the terms of the foreign military sale agreements.

However, the first defense official said the agreement did not involve any terms limiting the use of the F-16s.

“It would be incredibly naive for us to believe that we could sell some type of equipment to Pakistan that they would not intend to use in a fight,” the official said.

The U.S. State Department and the Indian and Pakistani embassies declined to comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/0...Zzrn-qL6b6VBX1K_8k5vexbwlW8pC0ao040s1hNeYxECo

 

[Joker]

All PAF F-16s are counted:- US Officials

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

A second senior U.S. defense official with knowledge of the count confirmed that U.S. authorities on the ground found that no Pakistani F-16s were missing.

Evidence suggests that Pakistan’s F-16s were involved in the battle. The remnants of a U.S.-made AIM-120 air-to-air missile was found near the site; out of all the aircraft involved, only the F-16 can shoot such a weapon.

When the incident occurred, India asked the U.S. government to investigate whether Pakistan’s use of the F-16 against India violated the terms of the foreign military sale agreements.

However, the first defense official said the agreement did not involve any terms limiting the use of the F-16s.

“It would be incredibly naive for us to believe that we could sell some type of equipment to Pakistan that they would not intend to use in a fight,” the official said.

The U.S. State Department and the Indian and Pakistani embassies declined to comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/0...Zzrn-qL6b6VBX1K_8k5vexbwlW8pC0ao040s1hNeYxECo

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