Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings

[Rango]

So all that is left is the true Islamic nation path which as time goes on they will have to double down as the other paths will become increasingly unfeasible in their circumstances and their available resources of all kinds.

Will be the greatest joke ever when it comes to Pakistan's raison d'etre if:

1) Sunni world leader Saudi Arabia gives up on Hijabs and Burqas (and allows Hindu temples, Buddha statues, dancing, singing, Yoga etc.). MBS has already taken them 1/4 of the way to the promised land.

2) Shia world leader Iran becomes liberal again like it was some decades ago. Half their population despises Islam it seems.

50,000 mosques have closed in Iran - Are Iranians seeking truth outside of Islam? - All Arab News

Unrest and distrust of the Islamic government are leading many away from Islam; Evangelical broadcasts and ministries are leading many to Christ

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[MuffleParch]

We are not passive. We don’t want our economy derailed. You will see a very different India when our GDP crosses $6-7 trillion threshold.

The Paki army runs the country and they got nothing to lose when they take on these adventures. They don't care if their civilians get massacred. They massacre their own people. They don't even care if their foot soldiers get butchered. Balochs, TTP and ISIS kill their faujis all the time and the Generals don't think it is worth wasting their precious $ to go after them.

India will defeat Pakis in a war but we do not have an overwhelming superiority over Pakis. That is the reality. That means we get hurt too. It causes instability in markets. Any closure of the airspace is extremely bad for the budding business in India. Once the investors lose confidence, it is going to take years to get it back.

Let's first get rich and powerful. Until then we will have to tolerate some abuse. But I do agree, at some point, we will have retaliate. If we retaliate it must be do or die.

 

[Kumaoni]

Have to give this round to Pakistan. They don't have money, they don't have electricity, heck they don't even have any izzat.

But what they never lost was pride. Hit back within 24 hours, both after Balakot as well as Iranian strike, zero hesitation.
No bullshit of Army not ready, equipment not good, no drama, no excuses.

Send bangles to GoI & Army HQ. Brazen attacks happen on your soldiers and only thing they do twiddle thumbs and "strengthen" security. Fucking loosers.

Neither GoI, nor Armed Forces are serious about defence of the India.

You are being far too critical of the armed forces and way to defensive of the Pakistanis without understanding the general circumstances.

Yes, everything you said is true, but you are forgetting: Pakistans Army run their country. The Indian Givernmnet runs India. The Pakistani Military has full authority to do whatever it wants, wherever it wants. The Indian Military, OTOH, are bound by restrictions.

Example: Kargil War. Army Brigadiers and Division commanders initially wanted to go into POK and cut the Pakistani posts from behind, basically tit for tat. Denied by indian Government

Example 2: 2013 beheadings. Had to literally conduct operations in secret within the Indian military (we only know about the revenge ops because it got leaked by Shatrujeet). Salman Khurshid downplayed the army chiefs call for a stern response.

Example 3: IPKF was sent into Sri Lanka by Rajiv Gandhi. Sent with zero purpose, equipped like the CRPF, and forced to conduct ops.

The Indian Army serves the Government. The Pakistani Goverbmebt serves their army.

 

[Kumaoni]

Something for you folks to think about. Lets reverse the roles.

Lets say Myanmar conducts an airstrike/drone strike on one of the 100+ hill tribe militant camp in Manipur/Mizoram. What do you think our response will be ?

Yep, we will be like - "Who tf cares about some random hill tribe militant" while pouring another round of whiskey. At max, MEA will communicate to Myanmar like - "please don't do that again".

Most of you will say that, yeah thats correct who cares. We don't have to show macho, whatever. Point is, no country should have the right to violate our boundaries and attack us. If you don't reinforce this iron rule stringently, your enemies will slowing eat away at you, test your patience and threshold of reaction.

Does that seems familiar with what is happening in Indo-China border ? How China is nibbling on our boundaries knowing full well we are too passive & peace-suckers to react ?

Or does that seems familiar to how Pakistani proxies are killing & mutiliating our soldiers but keeping the intensity & threshold low so that we don't react ?

What is the cost of Pakistan contiining the proxy? Any Idea? Their citizens are literallt impoverished, starving, and their government is out of control. They will collapse as a result.

 

[spikey360]

Let's first get rich and powerful. Until then we will have to tolerate some abuse. But I do agree, at some point, we will have retaliate. If we retaliate it must be do or die

No. Rich and Powerful are not mutually implied.
We don't want to be how India has been under Maunmohan. Rich but spineless. So India itself is an example of how the rich does not necessarily have to be powerful.
Furthermore if you always retaliated during do or die, everyone is going to take their chances with you, and you shall die, eventually.
So.. this is the worst strategy one can adopt.

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

Looking at the whole scenario I observes If it is world war 3, India and China are winning it clearly. These are only two smart players in the world right now. Looking at whole thing with popcorn in hands and will make a move when the red flames will come down to dust.

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

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This is what I was waiting for my whole life. Ab or kuch dekhna baki nhi reha. M sakoon se mar skta hu ab.

 

[Rango]

Have to give this round to Pakistan. They don't have money, they don't have electricity, heck they don't even have any izzat.

But what they never lost was pride. Hit back within 24 hours, both after Balakot as well as Iranian strike, zero hesitation.
No bullshit of Army not ready, equipment not good, no drama, no excuses.

Send bangles to GoI & Army HQ. Brazen attacks happen on your soldiers and only thing they do twiddle thumbs and "strengthen" security. Fucking loosers.

Neither GoI, nor Armed Forces are serious about defence of the India.

By that logic, Iranians are legends. Taking on Israel, US, UK, Arabs, sanctions, internal terrorist attacks etc....yet still finding courage to bomb three countries in one week!

So Iranians have a higher pride level than both Pakistanis and Indians.

But is it smart?

Their sudden switch from West to East reminds me of Hitler switching from West to East (Russia).

 

[DingDong]

By that logic, Iranians are legends. Taking on Israel, US, UK, Arabs, sanctions, internal terrorist attacks etc....yet still finding courage to bomb three countries in one week!

So Iranians have a higher pride level than both Pakistanis and Indians.

But is it smart?

Their sudden switch from West to East reminds me of Hitler switching from West to East (Russia).

If you understand Hinglish, then he is making a lot of sense.


Summarily, Iran is acting on the behalf of Russia to open multiple fronts and overstretch the western military. There is also a domestic angle.

IMO, what Iran is doing is not geopolitics, this is madness. Iran is doing this to send a signal to it's citizens that the clergy is still strong and in control. However, Iran is making too many enemies, few of them are powerful enough to crush Iran to the dinosaur age.

Iran may feel that it can afford to open an Eastern front because of Afghanistan and India who will severely cripple Pakistan's capability to respond to Iran's aggression.

Based on India's maximum-profitability calculations, India can severely restrict China's capability to influence the conflict.

 

[shade]

No. Rich and Powerful are not mutually implied.
We don't want to be how India has been under Maunmohan. Rich but spineless. So India itself is an example of how the rich does not necessarily have to be powerful.
Furthermore if you always retaliated during do or die, everyone is going to take their chances with you, and you shall die, eventually.
So.. this is the worst strategy one can adopt.

This is the kicker.
Us plebs assume this is a temporary "bide our time" phase, even yours truly, till we reach a certain level of wealth, or maybe till we start proper production and usage of atmanirbhar defense maal.

It could also be this is a baniya mindset, not phase, where we permanently dhoti-shiver over muh investors, muh dhandha and the neigbhoring fakir-but-well-armed gunda threathens us unless we pay "jaziya", backed by the star-spangled ruling politician of the area.

As i've said before only time will tell.

Packie swift refarts are only meant to deceive their plebs, because the one thing that will get them to rebel is loss in battle, in today's day they can't even deceive the masses because social media and internet.

 

[Rango]

Nothing to celebrate

The truth is that the economy is in the doldrums. The recent improvement is an artificially constructed deviation from the normal.

www.dawn.com

 

[vin bharat mahan]

Paxtan and India are polar opposites if you think carefully.

On one hand, we're slow to react or don't care at all if the threshold isn't breached. But if we get triggered, the enemy will be crushed (like an elephant does).

Now, paxtan will always react quickly, fall into a trap and in a few days surrender 1 lakh soldiers after getting routed.

I do agree that we need to be a bit more assertive (especially with China).

look pakistani army needs validation from their citizen, so they can interfere in different matters. thats why they care about their image, so they strike back enemy with their might nd propoganda. so people of pakistan proud of their army nd justify their intervention.
our army dont need that. if any attack is below threshold, they dont show aggressiveness. untill political leadership allow them. china case is different. its common thing is chinese hv more money, industries nd weapons. so its natural our position is defensive. we hv two enemies. we cant engage with them both, with many internal snakes also. so different front should be dealt with different methods. u cant be defensive on both sides, neither u can aggressive on both sides. that will hurt us. if we hv only one enemy, than we can go with either aggressive or defensive. both our enemies r friend nd they can jointly attack us. atleast a limited war, if not a fully fledged war.
so our offensive defense strategy is good for us. weak front (pakistan) should be dealt with offensive method nd strong side (china) should be dealt with defensive method. thats why surgical strike, air strike nd missile strike is done in pakistan side. but in china side "kailash range capture" only after chinese agression.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

Looking at the whole scenario I observes If it is world war 3, India and China are winning it clearly. These are only two smart players in the world right now. Looking at whole thing with popcorn in hands and will make a move when the red flames will come down to dust.

chinese r not that smart....thats why they still thinking to take taiwan. their taiwan venture will be make or break situation for them. it will also beneficial for india, if USA nd western allys will involve directly in taiwan conflict. without taking taiwan, china cant claim itself rival power of USA, just like USSR. first island chain in south china sea, restrict chinese navy. taiwan is front line for USA to counter china.

 

[shade]

chinese r not that smart....thats why they still thinking to take taiwan. their taiwan venture will be make or break situation for them. it will also beneficial for india, if USA nd western allys will involve directly in taiwan conflict. without taking taiwan, china cant claim itself rival power of USA, just like USSR. first island chain in south china sea, restrict chinese navy.

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Their calculation hinges on the US cucking out to defend Taiwan, or Taiwan is steamrolled within the span of a few days.
More than anything they can use Taiwan's semiconductor IC export dominance as leverage against the jizzskinned world order

Gora sahib will beg and plead to chini for his precious AI chips

 

[vin bharat mahan]

Their calculation hinges on the US cucking out to defend Taiwan, or Taiwan is steamrolled within the span of a few days.
More than anything they can use Taiwan's semiconductor IC export dominance as leverage against the jizzskinned world order

Gora sahib will beg and plead to chini for his precious AI chips

i dont think, its easy for chinese to invade a island with 23 million people. which is 130 km away from their land. it will take many years to capture, if Taiwanese not surrender nd west help them directly or indirectly.

 

[Suryavanshi]

i dont think, its easy for chinese to invade a island with 23 million people. which is 130 km away from their land. it will take many years to capture, if Taiwanese not surrender nd west help them directly or indirectly.

You think taiwon will keep fighting once Their military is steamrolled?

 

[vin bharat mahan]

You think taiwon will keep fighting once Their military is steamrolled?

dont know, coz many in taiwan r supporter of CCP also. we see in Ukraine, that many hv russian support also. yet Ukranian still fighting, same case can be happen in taiwan case.

 

[spikey360]

You think taiwon will keep fighting once Their military is steamrolled?

If the US and Japanese help Taiwan in terms of boots on ground, Chinese will have a bloodbath on their hands.

 

[Suryavanshi]

dont know, coz many in taiwan r supporter of CCP also. we see in Ukraine, that many hv russian support also. yet Ukranian still fighting, same case can be happen in taiwan case.

They are fighting because they still have war supplies from the west and Ukraine is too big to be captured anyway.
Ukraine armed forces had decent Size and quality even before the war began.
Taiwan does not have such luxury.

China is betting on US cucking out which is Most likely the case.

 

[asingha94]