Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings

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Hoodboy is very worried & anxious due to depleting secularism in India

More that his article is exposing congress party's islamic roots. In 1947 mein ek foreign concept is Desh par Kaabiz hua tha, us galti ka aaj sudhaar ho raha hai. Agle 10 saal in asuroon ke rudan se bhara hoga.
 

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They did not release him "unharmed". They drugged and tortured him to get out forced statements. Most of us didn't even watch those clips due to it boiling our blood. I've literally memory holed them.

Yes, behind the scenes they were scared and knew the consequences of actual escalation. They brought in 24 jets which had to turn around against 4. They knew what would happen if they had to face 400 jets in the air. But they won the propaganda war. Hope we're not so keen on de escalation the next time something like this will inevitably happen.
Barring the initial assault on him he wasn't beaten much in custody. What they did was kept him standing throughout the custody and did not let him sit or sleep. This was said by the officer himself during NDA pop in 2020 or 2021
 

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Reason why pakis don't escalate is because it is unable to sustain its huge military which now is almost 2/3rd as big as India's with an economy 12 to 14 times smaller.

Escalating will only incapacitate them and we should do that when shit hits the fan.
That difference in ammo and fuel will only start showing after 2 weeks of intense fighting.

The military difference between India and Pakistan in terms of equipment does not reflect the sheer economic difference. Even accounting for the fact that they're bankrupting themselves trying to keep up with us, we should have 3-5x more of every category of weapons. That's not a big ask. We have 15x their GDP, 150x their forex reserves, and 6x their population. But it's not the case.

Numbers absolutely matter as shown in the Ukraine war, and we have another enemy that's much larger.

The fact that they're willing to buy average equipment in large numbers (for their budget), while we do boutique purchases of 36 rafales, 22 apaches, 15 chinooks, 150 K9 thunder etc will bite us in the ass.

Simple question, has the military advantage of India increased in the last 30 years against Pakistan?

India vs Pakistan 1990
India vs Pakistan 2024
 
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The fact that they're willing to buy average equipment in large numbers (for their budget), while we do boutique purchases of 36 rafales, 22 apaches, 15 chinooks, 150 K9 thunder etc will bite us in the ass.
Their 'procurement ideology' is different and out of majboori and incapabilities.

We like/desire to have the production process of our supplied defence products from our own turf with or without collaboration.

They will face much hardships in an actual war of attrition as most of their equipments will be average (Chinese) in nature.
 
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Their 'procurement ideology' is different and out of majboori and incapabilities.

We like/desire to have the production process of our supplied defence products from our own turf with or without collaboration.

They will face much hardships in an actual war of attrition as most of their equipments will be average in nature and irreplacable within a shorter time.
They are procuring precisely for a war of attrition where they're buying large numbers of average stuff that they can afford to lose. We're buying small numbers of boutique stuff that will not be able to last a war of attrition.

I listed our purchases above. Another gem is the 3 billion USD purchase of 31 MQ9. I can only imagine what the pakis would be procuring if they had 3 billion dollars lying around just for drones.

We are not able to find our old magic of the late 90's and early 2000s when we procured 1600 T 90's, 250+ MKI's, and Brahmos. That was real military buildup and had sent pakis into hopelessness about their conventional situation. Now they're gaining back their confidence because for the past 10+ years we have made no mass procurement.
 
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I listed our purchases above. Another gem is the 3 billion USD purchase of 31 MQ9. I can only imagine what the pakis would be procuring if they had 3 billion dollars lying around just for drones.
Well the current and future of kinetic warfare are UCAVs, Loitering Munitions and Handheld AD systems.

Hope we invest in and procure/produce more of these.
 

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They are procuring precisely for a war of attrition where they're buying large numbers of average stuff that they can afford to lose. We're buying small numbers of boutique stuff that will not be able to last a war of attrition.

I listed our purchases above. Another gem is the 3 billion USD purchase of 31 MQ9. I can only imagine what the pakis would be procuring if they had 3 billion dollars lying around just for drones.

We are not able to find our old magic of the late 90's and early 2000s when we procured 1600 T 90's, 250+ MKI's, and Brahmos.
They buy cheap chinese stuff to make up numbers .. Not because of any war of attrition .
We are not procuring foreign stuff in large numbers anymore . Moving to local platforms would obviouly have hiccups. 180 + 100 LCA variants . 165 LCH . And the most importantly all munitions for aircraft are getting built here .
 

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They buy cheap chinese stuff to make up numbers .. Not because of any war of attrition .
We are not procuring foreign stuff in large numbers anymore . Moving to local platforms would obviouly have hiccups. 180 + 100 LCA variants . 165 LCH . And the most importantly all munitions for aircraft are getting built here .
We're doing that now. Results will start coming 5 years from now. My point is 2008-2020 has been a wasted decade in military procurement except for the navy.
 

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You know (((who))) ISIS benefited the most right?
Spics, Nignogs and all types of green religionists are unbelievably dumb and can be convinced to do even dumber shit.
And these guys are the toxic masculinity crowd, just not the kind that is good for their respective countries.

They will not fight """""for""""" "their" countries, but they will fight against the kuffar or random enemy just because $$$
You might be right about the underlying politics of ISIS, but you are again completely wrong about these people.
Remember, more muslims in Britain went to fight for ISIS, for free, than who joined the British army.
You won't be able to force the black / muslim crowd to fight for you using £££. Especially because it's not £££ but rather £ - the pay for army jobs is low, which is why you need to fool poor white kids with talk of nationalism and masculinity.
Instead, even you insult and degrade those same white boys, you lose them from the pool of manpower. And there is nothing to replace them.
 

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That difference in ammo and fuel will only start showing after 2 weeks of intense fighting.

The military difference between India and Pakistan in terms of equipment does not reflect the sheer economic difference. Even accounting for the fact that they're bankrupting themselves trying to keep up with us, we should have 3-5x more of every category of weapons. That's not a big ask. We have 15x their GDP, 150x their forex reserves, and 6x their population. But it's not the case.

Numbers absolutely matter as shown in the Ukraine war, and we have another enemy that's much larger.

The fact that they're willing to buy average equipment in large numbers (for their budget), while we do boutique purchases of 36 rafales, 22 apaches, 15 chinooks, 150 K9 thunder etc will bite us in the ass.

Simple question, has the military advantage of India increased in the last 30 years against Pakistan?

India vs Pakistan 1990
India vs Pakistan 2024
Forgot all the IN assets? We can destroy Kachdachi in under a week leaving them with no food and medicines. Of course no one does business in Gawadar.
But more transport planes are being inducted. Right now the focus is on make in India to establish an advanced defense industries complex and push exports. That is the correct priority. Porkis don’t have fuel to fight a war for even a few days.
 

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You might be right about the underlying politics of ISIS, but you are again completely wrong about these people.
Remember, more muslims in Britain went to fight for ISIS, for free, than who joined the British army.
You won't be able to force the black / muslim crowd to fight for you using £££. Especially because it's not £££ but rather £ - the pay for army jobs is low, which is why you need to fool poor white kids with talk of nationalism and masculinity.
Instead, even you insult and degrade those same white boys, you lose them from the pool of manpower. And there is nothing to replace them.
Like i said, if they want diverse guys, better pay them well.
If they want greens - better be willing to take the risk to arm, train them and hope they don't turn against you - perhaps this very reason is green enrollment in their armed forces is low.

Ofc the solution to this is the Western Elite all convert to Islam, if only in name and fake public displays of religiosity, like you have said because of wokism they are destroying their traditional recruitment base, so this is the only "safe" option, the elite are godless anyway.

Anyway this is a long term thing, won't happen currently, the Sun has set on the Bri'ish Empire
 

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Forgot all the IN assets? We can destroy Kachdachi in under a week leaving them with no food and medicines. Of course no one does business in Gawadar.
But more transport planes are being inducted. Right now the focus is on make in India to establish an advanced defense industries complex and push exports. That is the correct priority. Porkis don’t have fuel to fight a war for even a few days.
"My point is 2008-2020 has been a wasted decade in military procurement except for the navy". Just said it above.
 

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"My point is 2008-2020 has been a wasted decade in military procurement except for the navy". Just said it above.
2008 was the Great Recession. Mauni PM pretty much cut back on all capex and killed growth. It was a monumental error that led to a lost decade. Along with economic loss, we also suffered from low defense preparedness as scams after scams under CONgress happened. When you have a defense minister like A.K. Antony do you expect anything to happen?
 

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