F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

[WolfPack86]

AN/APG-73 Radar
Higher throughputs. Greater memory capacity. Improved reliability
The reprogrammable AN/APG-73 radar responds to new threats and accommodates future modes and weapons through software changes rather than hardware retrofit.

The APG-73 is an all-weather, coherent, multimode, multiwaveform search-and-track sensor that uses programmable digital processors to provide the features and flexibility needed for both air-to-air and air-to-surface missions. It is an upgrade of the APG-65 that provides higher throughputs, greater memory capacity, improved reliability, and easier maintenance without associated increases in size or weight.

Phase II of the APG upgrade completed development. It incorporates a motion-sensing subsystem with reconnaissance software, a stretch waveform generator module, and a special test equipment instrumentation and reconnaissance module. With these enhancements, the F/A-18 aircraft will have the hardware capability to make high-resolution radar ground maps comparable with those of the F-15E and the U-2 aircraft, and be able to perform precision strike missions using advanced image correlation algorithms.

The APG-73 is operational in the U.S. Navy F/A-18 C, D, E, and F; the U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18 A+, C and D; and in the air forces of Finland, Switzerland, Malaysia, Australia, and Canada.
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/apg73/index.html

 

[sob]

The above article The Russian Philosophy
of
Beyond Visual Range Air Combat
Technical Report APA-TR-2008-0301
by Dr Carlo Kopp, AFAIAA, SMIEEE, Peng posted by @Bahamut has one very serious deficiency IMO. The author is discussing a possible BVR scenario and is not considering the role of AWACS.

In a possible BVR scenarion, American pilots will be keeping their radars in Passive mode while being guided by the AWACS. This is their battle doctrine and they have been practising ad nauseam. Just see the number of AWACs they employ.

 

[pmaitra]

The above article The Russian Philosophy
of
Beyond Visual Range Air Combat
Technical Report APA-TR-2008-0301
by Dr Carlo Kopp, AFAIAA, SMIEEE, Peng posted by @Bahamut has one very serious deficiency IMO. The author is discussing a possible BVR scenario and is not considering the role of AWACS.

In a possible BVR scenarion, American pilots will be keeping their radars in Passive mode while being guided by the AWACS. This is their battle doctrine and they have been practising ad nauseam. Just see the number of AWACs they employ.

You are correct. The very purpose of AWACS is to relay target information to fighters. AWACS also have a longer range.

What are the countermeasures available against AWACS?

 

[Zebra]

You are correct. The very purpose of AWACS is to relay target information to fighters. AWACS also have a longer range.

What are the countermeasures available against AWACS?

Sir , that AWACS killer missile has 200 kms range anyway.

The aircraft, which may launch that missile, must come at least that close.

I wonder what will happen to that aircraft, who launch AWACS missile in that particular scenario, forget about everything else.

 

[pmaitra]

Sir , that AWACS killer missile has 200 kms range anyway.

The aircraft, which may launch that missile, must come at least that close.

I wonder what will happen to that aircraft, who launch AWACS missile in that particular scenario, forget about everything else.

Once the AWACS is gone, the rest of the planes will have to turn their radars on.

 

[sob]

The AWACS killer is highly overrated IMO. AWACS always flies with a protective CAP and has a very powerful radar. A missile fired 200 KMs away will give ample warning to the AWACS and it's protective cover to plan for counter measures.

If successful the Air Force in question would not mind sacrificing a Fighter for shooting down an AWACS aircraft.

 

[Zebra]

Once the AWACS is gone, the rest of the planes will have to turn their radars on.

Yeah, but what before that........!

 

[Bahamut]

The above article The Russian Philosophy
of
Beyond Visual Range Air Combat
Technical Report APA-TR-2008-0301
by Dr Carlo Kopp, AFAIAA, SMIEEE, Peng posted by @Bahamut has one very serious deficiency IMO. The author is discussing a possible BVR scenario and is not considering the role of AWACS.

In a possible BVR scenarion, American pilots will be keeping their radars in Passive mode while being guided by the AWACS. This is their battle doctrine and they have been practising ad nauseam. Just see the number of AWACs they employ.

Russian forces relies less on AWACS as their own radar in most cases give them a good picture up to 400 km .This article was mainly for missile .

The AWACS killer is highly overrated IMO. AWACS always flies with a protective CAP and has a very powerful radar. A missile fired 200 KMs away will give ample warning to the AWACS and it's protective cover to plan for counter measures.

If successful the Air Force in question would not mind sacrificing a Fighter for shooting down an AWACS aircraft.

AWACS will mainly use ECM and for such the missile is equipped with multiple seekers and more then one missile is fired .It is mainly used as a deterrent to keep the AWACS much more far away.Thus reducing it capability . Also such a operation will also take place with jammer making sure the AWACS has a less clearer picture.

 

[Zebra]

Russian forces relies less on AWACS as their own radar in most cases give them a good picture up to 400 km .This article was mainly for missile .

AWACS will mainly use ECM and for such the missile is equipped with multiple seekers and more then one missile is fired .It is mainly used as a deterrent to keep the AWACS much more far away.Thus reducing it capability . Also such a operation will also take place with jammer making sure the AWACS has a less clearer picture.

Sir, kuch kum karo na.

Looks like its too much.

If you talk about naval target, then I can understand it.

But you said 'in most cases.'

 

[Akask kumar]

combat radius --
Tejas- 300 km
F-18 - 740..km

this is the only limiting factor,otherwise tejas is equivalent to F18..

 

[BON PLAN]

combat radius --
Tejas- 300 km
F-18 - 740..km

this is the only limiting factor,otherwise tejas is equivalent to F18..

It's a joke.
Even if SH18 is not a top player, in term of loading capacity, I doubt Tejas can embarq 8 tons !
See the radar of the two planes : AESA for SH, classical for Tejas (AESA is intended only on mk2. And it's not sure this model will be made).

 

[sob]

Once the AWACS is gone, the rest of the planes will have to turn their radars on.

With all the planes data linked, wonder if only one aircraft turns radar on and shares the feed with other aircraft.

I do not know if it is possible but very much feasible.

 

[sob]

combat radius --
Tejas- 300 km
F-18 - 740..km

this is the only limiting factor,otherwise tejas is equivalent to F18..

Sir, are you really serious on this..

 

[sob]

Russian forces relies less on AWACS as their own radar in most cases give them a good picture up to 400 km .This article was mainly for missile .

These are airborne Radars that you are talking about, on Fighters.

 

[Bahamut]

These are airborne Radars that you are talking about, on Fighters.

Yes ,in fighter ,search upto 400 km and tracking from 200 km .

 

[Akask kumar]

Sir, are you really serious on this..

i found rest of the specification on wiki nearly same ..
both hav same speed at high altitude but tejas is faster at lower altitude.

Range of tejas(3000km) is > than F 18(2000 km)
but surprisingly the combat radius of Tejas is less than F-18(i will be happy if you throw some light here)..

service ceiling of tejas(16 km) > F 18 (15 km)

loaded weight - empty weight -->weight it can carrry - Tejas(3 ton) - F-18(6 ton) but can be compensated by increasing number of tejas craft(2:1) or may be MK2 version will have better load capacity since it will use F-18 engine.

for single engine aircraft its a good close fight..Keep in mind we will soon have MK2 version of Tejas more powerful..
As far as Radar is concerned,such things can be upgraded anytime.depending on requirements

 

[Zebra]

combat radius --
Tejas- 300 km
F-18 - 740..km

this is the only limiting factor,otherwise tejas is equivalent to F18..

Sir, better check the Tejas combat radius first. It is more than 300 kms.
And We are not talking about F-18 for IAF either.

 

[Zebra]

i found rest of the specification on wiki nearly same ..
both hav same speed at high altitude but tejas is faster at lower altitude.

Range of tejas(3000km) is > than F 18(2000 km)
but surprisingly the combat radius of Tejas is less than F-18(i will be happy if you throw some light here)..

service ceiling of tejas(16 km) > F 18 (15 km)

loaded weight - empty weight -->weight it can carrry - Tejas(3 ton) - F-18(6 ton) but can be compensated by increasing number of tejas craft(2:1) or may be MK2 version will have better load capacity since it will use F-18 engine.

for single engine aircraft its a good close fight..Keep in mind we will soon have MK2 version of Tejas more powerful..
As far as Radar is concerned,such things can be upgraded anytime.depending on requirements

Wiki people are also humans. They can make mistakes too.

Let me give some idea.

Check the Tejas combat radius on wiki.

It says......... Combat radius: 300 km (270 nmi, 311 mi)

And you posted here as Tejas radius is 300 kms.

Now check red color part. And convert it to kms.

You can get Tejas combat radius there.

 

[Akask kumar]

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[Akask kumar]

Wiki people are also humans. They can make mistakes too.

Let me give some idea.

Check the Tejas combat radius on wiki.

It says......... Combat radius: 300 km (270 nmi, 311 mi)

And you posted here as Tejas radius is 300 kms.

Now check red color part. And convert it to kms.

You can get Tejas combat radius there.

thnx for pointing it out..
i converted taking 1 mile as 1.6 km and the combat range is now 497 close to 500 km..
all i am saying is Tejas is a good cheap craft that has punch to it

the title of this thread is..
F 18 Advanced Super Hornet Cheaper Option for India

WELL,WHY dhould we import a new craft when we have desi option available on table?.F 18 cant be cheaper than tejas..