F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

[su35]

The Americans were essentially green pilots. But hey I am not advocating that Iraq should have won it, I am merely saying that Iraq should have taken out more coalition planes than the embarrassing sole F18.

Really!! which of their plane in inventory do you think had reasonable servicbility or lethal wepon package. what about inter force rivalary and EW capabilities

 

[asianobserve]

Really!! which of their plane in inventory do you think had reasonable servicbility or lethal wepon package. what about inter force rivalary and EW capabilities

You missed the part that their Mig-25 shot down an American F-18 in BVR. That should be enough proof that the Iraqis could have had inflicted more A2A kills against the coalition forces given their hardware.

 

[su35]

You missed the part that their Mig-25 shot down an American F-18 in BVR. That should be enough proof that the Iraqis could have had inflicted more A2A kills against the coalition forces given their hardware.

How can I miss it when I have already quoted it. BVR fighting is always unrealiable, Iraqi were facing facing huge problems maintaing and arming their frontline fighter(Mig 25 and Mig 29), many of these plane were grounded ,hidden, sent to Iran or destroyed in their own airbase. Iraqi air chief never acted early on the waring of invansion of Coalition

 

[Zebra]

I am not able to understand your post can you please explain a bit more?, and about no, I do not think any site will provide clear and unbaised view.

OK, fine.

But can you understand these words (of asianobserve ) -----> You have to look at the holistic picture of the Gulf War, not isolated incidents or claims of incidents.

I was trying to say that same thing.

 

[Zebra]

How can I miss it when I have already quoted it. BVR fighting is always unrealiable, Iraqi were facing facing huge problems maintaing and arming their frontline fighter(Mig 25 and Mig 29), many of these plane were grounded ,hidden, sent to Iran or destroyed in their own airbase. Iraqi air chief never acted early on the waring of invansion of Coalition

May be till today.

And who knows about tomorrow....!

Better check the trend ------> http://alert5.com/2016/05/17/aim-9x...weapon/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Bahamut]

What kenematic performance? In WVR combat which is in subsonic region you do not talk about kenematic performance of fighters. You talk about the fastest fighter that can aim and shoot its infrared missile at the enemy. What you need in WVR are excellent fused sensors, HMCS and mach 2+ infrared missiles with HOBS and LOAL capabilities. The latest infrared missiles in particular will have more "kenematic performance" than any current or future super duper fighters in WVR.

In other words, if you have HMCS and HOBS with LOAL missile you don't need much maneuvering to shoot at the enemy, you just need to face the direction of your enemy to fire you missile. In fact you can shoot the enemy even if it is behind, below or above you.

HMCS & HOBS does reduces the need for maneuvering but you still.need it to defeat missile.HOBS simply increase the scan angle of missile and if the target is maneuvering then missile lose speed very quickly and miss the plane if the target performs a 7-8g then missile is defeated.

 

[Bahamut]

What kenematic performance? In WVR combat which is in subsonic region you do not talk about kenematic performance of fighters. You talk about the fastest fighter that can aim and shoot its infrared missile at the enemy. What you need in WVR are excellent fused sensors, HMCS and mach 2+ infrared missiles with HOBS and LOAL capabilities. The latest infrared missiles in particular will have more "kenematic performance" than any current or future super duper fighters in WVR.

In other words, if you have HMCS and HOBS with LOAL missile you don't need much maneuvering to shoot at the enemy, you just need to face the direction of your enemy to fire you missile. In fact you can shoot the enemy even if it is behind, below or above you.

HMCS & HOBS does reduces the need for maneuvering but you still.need it to defeat missile.HOBS simply increase the scan angle of missile and if the target is maneuvering then missile lose speed very quickly and miss the plane if the target performs a 7-8g then missile is defeated.

 

[asianobserve]

HMCS & HOBS does reduces the need for maneuvering but you still.need it to defeat missile.HOBS simply increase the scan angle of missile and if the target is maneuvering then missile lose speed very quickly and miss the plane if the target performs a 7-8g then missile is defeated.

It's not that simple. Do it correctly a simple barrel roll may break a missile lock especially against older gen A2A missiles. But current A2A gen missile have far smaller escape zones and are far resistant to jamming, especially WVR missiles. Studies really does show that the best way, the most survivable way, to fight air combat now is from BVR. Do not try to argue with statistics.

 

[su35]

May be till today.

And who knows about tomorrow....!

Better check the trend ------> http://alert5.com/2016/05/17/aim-9x...weapon/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Let then wait till tomorrow comes!!

 

[Bahamut]

It's not that simple. Do it correctly a simple barrel roll may break a missile lock especially against older gen A2A missiles. But current A2A gen missile have far smaller escape zones and are far resistant to jamming, especially WVR missiles. Studies really does show that the best way, the most survivable way, to fight air combat now is from BVR. Do not try to argue with statistics.

If missile evolve ,so will the counter measure
Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_Infrared_Counter_Measures
Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_countermeasure

 

[WolfPack86]

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[WolfPack86]

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[asianobserve]

Feel the rush (SH terrain hugging training flight):

 

[asianobserve]

Rare SH CAS using cannons against a Taliban compound:

 

[BON PLAN]

You seem to be totally unaware of the history of the Gulf War. Iraq's air force was not immediately destroyed on the first day, it took almost a week of sustained air assault by coalition forces before Iraqi pilots started running towards Iran with their planes. On the first day (Jan. 17, 1991) the Iraqi Air Force was able to make more than 100 sorties against coalition fighters. In fact, on the first day an Iraqi Air Force Mig-25 managed to destroy s US Navy F18 from BVR. During teh first week of February the Iraqi Air Force was still sending sorties against coalition aircraft but of course by then they were too depleted and their air defense system was a wreck already. One should also consider Iraq's SAMs which were still formidable even after the first week of the air war.

I know perfectly the Gulf war.
Airfields are among the main targets of the US. as SAM and communications noods.
Desert Storm was a recital of US tactics.

How old are you Guy?

 

[asianobserve]

I know perfectly the Gulf war.
Airfields are among the main targets of the US. as SAM and communications noods.
Desert Storm was a recital of US tactics.

How old are you Guy?

I believe my age has nothing to do with what happened in the Gulf War. It certainly wouldn't change the fact that the Iraqi Air Force was not destroyed on the first day of that War.

 

[BON PLAN]

I believe my age has nothing to do with what happened in the Gulf War. It certainly wouldn't change the fact that the Iraqi Air Force was not destroyed on the first day of that War.

I'm 50. I see the war every day. And even at those moments, I was found of Aerospace affairs.

May be you was not born at those time. And "learn" via Wikipédia....

Iraki air force was not destroyed, as US troops found some planes buried in the sand later.... but iraki AF doesn't exist as a structured air force at the end of day 1.

 

[asianobserve]

I'm 50. I see the war every day. And even at those moments, I was found of Aerospace affairs.

May be you was not born at those time. And "learn" via Wikipédia....

Iraki air force was not destroyed, as US troops found some planes buried in the sand later.... but iraki AF doesn't exist as a structured air force at the end of day 1.

Maybe your news source at the time was flawed since the Iraqi Air Force was not destroyed on day 1. But I must admit I am younger than you. In January, 1991, I was only a 6th Grader but I also watched the whole thing (although I will also admit that I had a tendency at the time of watching MTV more if I control the remote) on our new cable tv.

There's no harm in reading Wikipedia, but you must always cross-refer with other sources. If you can find scholarly sources in the net then the better. Moreover, memory is very fickle and we have a tendency to remember things based on preconcieved notions. It's better to always verify from readily available sources before making assertions.

BTW Sir, if my memory serves me right the footage about the burried Iraqi jets are not from the 1991 Gulf War but from the 2003 invasion of Iraq. In 1991 Gulf War the Iraqis did not burry their jets to hide it from coalition forces they just flew it to the air bases of their former arch enemy, Iran.

 

[sob]

Did the Iranians return the Mig 29s back to Iraq??

 

[su35]

Did the Iranians return the Mig 29s back to Iraq??

No None of the Mig 29 were returned to Iraq, only 4 su 24 or su 25 aircraft were returned.