F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

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Why not the SU-35?






Fuel Cost Winner: Sukhoi
Range Winner: Sukhoi
Altitude Winner: Sukhoi
Rate of Climb Winner: Sukhoi
Max. Speed Winner: Sukhoi
Takeoff Field Length Winner: Boeing
Landing Field Length Winner: Sukhoi
Thrust per Engine Winner: Boeing
Payload Winner: Sukhoi

F-18 - $55 million. SU-35 $40-$60 million.
 

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@abingdonboy, we do not know yet what Americans are offering. You need to factor in that a lot has happened in the last few months. The realities have changed.

We need to wait for a formal announcement.
 

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Why not the SU-35?.....................
BCZ it comes with traditional Russian issues. Few of them as below....

* Being a Russian product it has chance of becoming of "50% wali item". One of the serious threat to India's security concern.
When ever they try to get money out of any deal, it always kept India weak.

* More Russian products in our defence, it also drag India towards leftist ideology.
No good for India , again.

* India was one of the major buyer of Russian products.
And still we end up being a buyer after many years.
Not any more this drama.

* Russian products are not cheap, as their supporters claim.

............................... I hope this will do for time being....!
 

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The Americans aren't offering ANY meaningful ToT/industrial benefits. The French offer is FAR more attractive and the Rafale is the better plane with long road map ahead- the F-18 is dead.
Good Luck in getting TOT from a french company, there is a chance that US companies might give TOT up to a level, but French ya right. I have seen few agreement in last few month where defence contractor keep loop holes just in case. I guess French are ahead in this game.

In a documentary I saw a Belgium guy(or some european guy) mocking the French Dassault on TOT offered if they chose Mirage.
 

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The American deal will come with 50% real offsets, that is the fighter will have a local value addition of 50%. Bulk of it will be engine.

The Rafale deal happened in 30% offsets era. Even that was not honoured by French.

However as I said, proof of the pudding is in eating. Let them finalize the deals. We shall know in due course.
 

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The American deal will come with 50% real offsets, that is the fighter will have a local value addition of 50%. Bulk of it will be engine.

The Rafale deal happened in 30% offsets era. Even that was not honoured by French.

However as I said, proof of the pudding is in eating. Let them finalize the deals. We shall know in due course.
Read the mmrca rfp, it clearly mention 50% offset no matter who is the winner. Though the norm was 30% at that time.
 

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Good Luck in getting TOT from a french company, there is a chance that US companies might give TOT up to a level, but French ya right. I have seen few agreement in last few month where defence contractor keep loop holes just in case. I guess French are ahead in this game.

In a documentary I saw a Belgium guy(or some european guy) mocking the French Dassault on TOT offered if they chose Mirage.
Dassault owned a subsidiary in Belgium, and they produced parts of Mirage in it !
US only gave crumb as ToT. style "produced this left landing gear door" or "that right leading edge"....
 

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The American deal will come with 50% real offsets, that is the fighter will have a local value addition of 50%. Bulk of it will be engine.

The Rafale deal happened in 30% offsets era. Even that was not honoured by French.

However as I said, proof of the pudding is in eating. Let them finalize the deals. We shall know in due course.
You are totally wrong. Dassault agree for 50% offset.
Stop reading tabloid Bro.
 

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I still feel f18 hornet advance can fill the gap of mmrca in record time and tech in better price
it's an anemic fighter. A king of super Tornado, with BVR capacity.
Just see its dry weight and load capacity vs Rafale one.... you'll see the difference between a normal fighter and a top class one.
 

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The American deal will come with 50% real offsets, that is the fighter will have a local value addition of 50%. Bulk of it will be engine.

The Rafale deal happened in 30% offsets era. Even that was not honoured by French.

However as I said, proof of the pudding is in eating. Let them finalize the deals. We shall know in due course.

The biggest benefit is strategic, when you go with US.
 

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The biggest threat is to loose independance.

UAE can't use freely its F16'60.... as Uncle SAM has the keys in his pocket (a war not agreed by US ? => no more support. It's as simple as that).
Sir, does French lost their independence........?

They also use C-130.

Well, its a US product anyway.

And getting from France has its own issues.

Remember Falkland war.........!
 
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