F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

[SajeevJino]

This capability is used by most military combat aircraft including Su-30 MKI. What we need is that not just networking of one model, but rather networking of different combat aircraft being used in a sector, Presently this is being done by using AWACS, but the ultimate goal would be to say like using a pair of Su-30 MKIs Radar and those accompanied by few Tejas (4-8) as its flying buddies and networked together thus the long range radar of Su-30 MKI is used to scan and track the targets and Tejas which acts ass missiles carrier here, targets these as its networked with the Sukhois. Thus the cost of operation would be low, but we shall be able to put a big amount of firepower in the air and that too at a low cost of operations.
Say 4 Su-30 MKI can cover a lot of space but that would mean a higher cost of operations
6-8 Tejas can cover that same area at much lower cost, but the radar range would be shorter
But combination of the two, say 2 Su-30 MKI and 2-4 Tejas would cover the same area at lower cost of operation where Su-30 MKI becomes the mini-AWACS and the scanning and othr info is shared with the Tejas and hence have the potential to provide higher firepower at given time.

You missed the valid point, that Tejas is short range and can be used only inside Indian air space

If Tejas had much better range let's say some 1000 km combat raddi, then I would agree the above scenario

 

[smestarz]

Dear Dogmatix, as I explained to you before, SNECMA was hired as consultant, and the contract was not result oriented. There is no point to take SNECMA to court, its just the India realised that French are truly not the country to work with, SCORPENE, Kaveri Why do you think we are trying to cozy up to Americans and GE?
GE is eager for for JV to produce their F-414 engine in India for Tejas and AMCA, that would mean getting knowledge and ToT in India, Actually this is more better than taking SNECMA to court.

Just to give you an example I would love to put link to small video part of movie pretty woman
From start to 1.30, India/GTRE is played by Julia Roberts , and the shop attendants are SNECMA consultants and thats more or less how they behaved as reported.
After 1.30 that is after GE and India agree to set up production unit for F-414 in India and thatss when India goes and tells SNECMA/SAFRAN,, ".. big mistake, big... huge... "

Of course. Are we obliged to believe you? Why not putting SNECMA on court?

 

[smestarz]

Of course. Are we obliged to believe you? Why not putting SNECMA on court?

And this is how India (Richard Gere( goes shopping with GTRE in USA

 

[smestarz]

Why do you think so? What is the distance between Delhi and Islamabad? 690 kms and Lahore is more closer. almost half the distance. Tejas would be at forward air fields or air fields that are along Rajasthan border why you think they cannot handle such scenarios? There are various tools available for future also. External fuel tank, refueling probe

You missed the valid point, that Tejas is short range and can be used only inside Indian air space

If Tejas had much better range let's say some 1000 km combat raddi, then I would agree the above scenario

 

[SajeevJino]

Why do you think so? What is the distance between Delhi and Islamabad? 690 kms and Lahore is more closer. almost half the distance. Tejas would be at forward air fields or air fields that are along Rajasthan border why you think they cannot handle such scenarios? There are various tools available for future also. External fuel tank, refueling probe

I don't think so Tejas will be deployed in forward bases.. Its a mere dream

 

[BON PLAN]

Dear Dogmatix, as I explained to you before, SNECMA was hired as consultant, and the contract was not result oriented. There is no point to take SNECMA to court, its just the India realised that French are truly not the country to work with, SCORPENE, Kaveri Why do you think we are trying to cozy up to Americans and GE?
GE is eager for for JV to produce their F-414 engine in India for Tejas and AMCA, that would mean getting knowledge and ToT in India, Actually this is more better than taking SNECMA to court.

Just to give you an example I would love to put link to small video part of movie pretty woman
From start to 1.30, India/GTRE is played by Julia Roberts , and the shop attendants are SNECMA consultants and thats more or less how they behaved as reported.
After 1.30 that is after GE and India agree to set up production unit for F-414 in India and thatss when India goes and tells SNECMA/SAFRAN,, ".. big mistake, big... huge... "

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[BON PLAN]

And this is how India (Richard Gere( goes shopping with GTRE in USA

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[smestarz]

Tejas is replacement for MiG-21 and MiGs are deployed in forward bases. So other than Tejas what can you deploy in forward bases? The cannon fodder Mirage 2000?

I don't think so Tejas will be deployed in forward bases.. Its a mere dream

 

[smestarz]

Perfect , excellent, that is the scene you can see in SAFRAN executives office since they now know that Rafale wont be purchased by India and no JV for engine with India or ToT..No more cows to milk. But maybe they are banging their head more harder than that..

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[tharun]

Dear Dogmatix, as I explained to you before, SNECMA was hired as consultant, and the contract was not result oriented. There is no point to take SNECMA to court, its just the India realised that French are truly not the country to work with, SCORPENE, Kaveri Why do you think we are trying to cozy up to Americans and GE?
GE is eager for for JV to produce their F-414 engine in India for Tejas and AMCA, that would mean getting knowledge and ToT in India, Actually this is more better than taking SNECMA to court.

Just to give you an example I would love to put link to small video part of movie pretty woman
From start to 1.30, India/GTRE is played by Julia Roberts , and the shop attendants are SNECMA consultants and thats more or less how they behaved as reported.
After 1.30 that is after GE and India agree to set up production unit for F-414 in India and thatss when India goes and tells SNECMA/SAFRAN,, ".. big mistake, big... huge... "

One hell of a video...nice explanation too...i can't stop laughing thinking of rafale and SNECMA...

 

[WolfPack86]

Parrikar Comments Creates Buzz Over F-18 Offer

 

[smestarz]

It is not really a Buzz. but since the govt is more eager for Make in India. where Govt wants foreign companies to work with Indian to produce in India. These planes may or may not be used by IAF or Indian navy but if they are produced in India, why would IAF/IN not buy them?

Since Rafale deal has hit road blocks about price and other things, it might be difficult to take Rafale by "Make in India" as that might in a way reduce jobs in France.

Eurofighter , same as Rafale too expensive to buy and use.

The few of the contenders from present Generation (or passt if you look at it) that remain are
A) MiG-35
B) F/A-18
C) Su-35

For the next gen there is PAKFA/FGFA and AMCA.

Parrikar Comments Creates Buzz Over F-18 Offer

 

[su35]

It is not really a Buzz. but since the govt is more eager for Make in India. where Govt wants foreign companies to work with Indian to produce in India. These planes may or may not be used by IAF or Indian navy but if they are produced in India, why would IAF/IN not buy them?

Since Rafale deal has hit road blocks about price and other things, it might be difficult to take Rafale by "Make in India" as that might in a way reduce jobs in France.

Eurofighter , same as Rafale too expensive to buy and use.

The few of the contenders from present Generation (or passt if you look at it) that remain are
A) MiG-35
B) F/A-18
C) Su-35

For the next gen there is PAKFA/FGFA and AMCA.

It would have bee better if we go for Mig 35. We are already using Mig 29upg and Mig 29k varient, Afterall Mig 35 is an excellent dogfighter with good ECM suite it fits IAF and who know if IAF develop Mig 35 further and gifting russia Advanced Mig 35SMT just like Mig 29SMT and Su30SM, but no offence to Rafale or FA 18

 

[smestarz]

I do understand the romance associated with dog fighting and showing your skills, But when you have the ability to be a sniper (shoot down a target from 100 kms away without the target fully knowing who you are) then what is the urge to get into a knife fight (be down and personal and get into a dog fight)
MiG-35 is a good dog fighter and that is an advantage, but it comes with AESA and long range R-77 which can take down most planes in the world. So why to come too close and use WVR or guns?

It would have bee better if we go for Mig 35. We are already using Mig 29upg and Mig 29k varient, Afterall Mig 35 is an excellent dogfighter with good ECM suite it fits IAF and who know if IAF develop Mig 35 further and gifting russia Advanced Mig 35SMT just like Mig 29SMT and Su30SM, but no offence to Rafale or FA 18

 

[asianobserve]

South Korea selects General Electric F414 to power KFX

General Electric (GE) will supply the turbofan powerplant for South Korea and Indonesia’s next-generation multi-role fighter, the KFX. The GE F414 turbofan as found great success by being adopted by the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the Saab JAS-39E/F Gripen NG, and even the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas. GE’s primary competitor seems to have been Eurojet and its EJ200. - See more at: http://quwa.org/2016/05/26/south-korea-selects-general-electric-power-kfx/#sthash.wHI64WUM.dpuf

http://quwa.org/2016/05/26/south-korea-selects-general-electric-power-kfx/

 

[asianobserve]

I do understand the romance associated with dog fighting and showing your skills, But when you have the ability to be a sniper (shoot down a target from 100 kms away without the target fully knowing who you are) then what is the urge to get into a knife fight (be down and personal and get into a dog fight)
MiG-35 is a good dog fighter and that is an advantage, but it comes with AESA and long range R-77 which can take down most planes in the world. So why to come too close and use WVR or guns?

The lingering fascination with "dogfighting" among some aviation enthusiasts simply does not make sense given the current realities of air combat. They really think that air combat is still like Top Gun where brash and handsome young men go head-to-head with enemy fighters in merging aerial fights. This is hardly the case now.

To win you must be practical and cast aside our wet dreams. The winning pilot in A2A combat is one who can see and shoot at the enemy first from BVR.

 

[smestarz]

The lingering fascination with "dogfighting" among some aviation enthusiasts simply does not make sense given the current realities of air combat. They really think that air combat is still like Top Gun where brash and handsome young men go head-to-head with enemy fighters in merging aerial fights. This is hardly the case now.

To win you must be practical and cast aside our wet dreams. The winning pilot in A2A combat is one who can see and shoot at the enemy first from BVR.

As i said its the romanticism involved of dogfighting, which in a way is like sword fighting with planes. If two pilots want to dogfight, give them sabres and a field and let them fight, without a plane, and get their dog fights over with.

Those who talk of dog fighting as important are really outdated and do not realise that the missiles are more reliable than what they were 2 decades ago, Phantom jet was designed for this very moment, but alas it was let down by the limitations of Avionics and missile technology. F-4 phantom jet, with good radar and engine would surely rule the roost. It was the first jet plane that was designed without Gun, but then the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 were pathetic at best with the opposing pilot hopefully sleeping in his seat for the phantom jet to get him.

Now we are geting into Era of UCAVs but that has a limitation because UCAV are open to hacking and so we still rely on "Man in a machine" interface. With the technology being more developed, the pilot training would less epensive and no need for G-suits just need a fasts trigger finger. The future "pilots" can practice on gaming consoles, have junk food and "fly" till not sleeping, and then the next team takes over.BTW its going to be difficult to dogfight in UCAV. Thus the sooner we come out of the need to dog fight, and develop tactics where we limit ourselves to long range targeting at the enemy and breaking off to avoid dog fighting.

 

[WolfPack86]

The Eurofighter Typhoon is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multirole fighter manufactured by a consortium of three companies, Alenia Aermacchi, Airbus Group and BAE Systems. Alenia Aermacchi is a subsidiary of Leonardo-Finmeccanica’s Aircraft and Aerostructures Divisions.
If Eurofighter Typhoon is manufactured by Alenia Aermacchi then Eurofighter Typhoon do not chance in make in india fighter aircraft since it is banned by Government only option left is F-18 Advance Super Hornet.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/05/finmeccanica-ban-may-prove-costly-for.html

 

[smestarz]

At least now we are sure that the twin engine plane that could be made in India is NOT EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON,
Thus that takes out two choices. Eurofighter and Rafale, that would leave F/A-18, MiG-35, Su-35 and PAKFA as the choices left. This process of elimination is proving very useful

The Eurofighter Typhoon is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multirole fighter manufactured by a consortium of three companies, Alenia Aermacchi, Airbus Group and BAE Systems. Alenia Aermacchi is a subsidiary of Leonardo-Finmeccanica’s Aircraft and Aerostructures Divisions.
If Eurofighter Typhoon is manufactured by Alenia Aermacchi then Eurofighter Typhoon do not chance in make in india fighter aircraft since it is banned by Government only option left is F-18 Advance Super Hornet.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/05/finmeccanica-ban-may-prove-costly-for.html

 

[BON PLAN]

Parrikar Comments creates Buzz over F-18 offer
Published May 28, 2016 SOURCE: IDRW

NEWS NETWORK Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar created media buzz when he said that in a recent Interview that “After 36 Twin engined Rafale fighter India will buy another Twin engined Fighter jet ” . A Certain section of media speculated that both single-engined F-16 and Gripen E more or less have been rejected in favour of Twin-Engined F-18 Super Hornet which was offered by Boeing . But Highly informed sources close to idrw.org have informed us that media might have misunderstood what Defence minister actually meant and he might not be actually referring to Boeing F-18 but to the proposed Indo-Russian Joint venture to develop 5th Generation FGFA based on Sukhoi Pak-fa . According to media reports which quoted Defence ministry officials said that India plans to induct 400 New fighter jets by 2030 . 36 Rafale fighter jets will be procured from France and 114 FGFA 5th Generation fighter jets will be produced in India . IAF has also agreed to place orders for 100 Upgraded Tejas MK-1A and 20 Tejas MK1 and Development of Stretched and upgraded MK2 fighter jets too will be carried out and orders for Indigenous LCA-Tejas and its variants might expand to 250 aircraft. Previously idrw.org had reported that DRDO plans to have first flight of LCA-Tejas MK-2 by 2022 and GE officials in at recently concluded DEFExpo 2016 in Goa have confirmed that considerable progress on the development of F414-INS6 has been made and development work of F414-INS6 for LCA Tejas Mk II will be completed by the end of 2016 . ” We are ready to initiate technology transfer for F414-INS6 engine production with HAL and we are in talks for continuing supply of F404-IN20 engines for LCA Tejas Mk I and for its variants ( MK-1A),” Said GE official to idrw.org . Previous Defence Minister A.K.Antony few years back had hinted that Indigenous LCA-Tejas fighter jet will replace all retiring fleet of Mig-21 and Mig-27 from Indian Air Force which might take LCA-Tejas orders well over 300 to replace one to one aircraft been retired .

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