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What do you think as a perfect fighter , it's specs , how it will be feasible , everything , instead of just looking at fancy stuff of west , please give insight about short comings of tedbf and what should be a future fighter .

Stop acting like a import lobby , give consideration to learning curve and all
LOL Calling Crap a Crap is not being Import Lobby Kid

LOL I am gunning For Naval AMCA :hmm: :hmm: :megusta: how Is it being Import lobby :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :hehe::clap2:

Weapons That gives You Edge over your adversary in war that is a prime objective of Any Platform

I doesn't matter it Indigenous or Imported

We Fought And won All Previous wars With imported Weapons

Even Today 80 % of our inventory is Imported weapons including Are Primary Assault rifles

Who's fault Is it ??
 

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But Still F-22 is best fighter on planet
that Why it has Export ban

and issues With F-22 still persists

But USAF sends there best Pilots To Man Best Fighters in their inventory
We are no US , ten years down the line , still we won't be US , we can't have high spending like US , f 35 is more of export product than for their own requirements , it's tail part start damaging on sustained flight at mach 1.2 or above flight .

Avionics are the only forte of f 35 , which makes it potent . Don't just comapre based on fancy videos , we are poor at pr , also france , uk all are pooling resources to develop it , uk is lacking funds for tempest , it need funds , otherwise project may face problem .

We will be bigger economy than them but we will require to spend huge on rnd , infra , manufacturing , education , poverty reduction , assets maintenance and all ,which others won't spend that much .

What do you think of iaf , Navy ,they know they are growing ,major threat will prop up in future , new scenario will be moulded , 6 th gen aircraft will be on cards , but we can start it's development in 2030 , and still operationalize it in 2040 , as we are leapfrogging radar technologies in amca , avionics will be slightly less or equally potent to 6 th gen , our own engine of 110 kn thrust with ace tech will be therr as we already tried it in kaveri , what we would require would be a heavy fighter category ,with much more availability to replace su 30 mki as they will start retiring , bigger engine will fulfill energy requirements for dew , better ew suite and all .

Either you want a boasting or you want our program to succeed
 

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LOL Calling Crap a Crap is not being Import Lobby Kid

LOL I am gunning For Naval AMCA :hmm: :hmm: :megusta: how Is it being Import lobby :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :hehe::clap2:

Weapons That gives You Edge over your adversary in war that is a prime objective of Any Platform

I doesn't matter it Indigenous or Imported

We Fought And won All Previous wars With imported Weapons

Even Today 80 % of our inventory is Imported weapons including Are Primary Assault rifles

Who's fault Is it ??
Well thatnwas about rafale statement , still you didn't answered my main question , give some info , let's discuss
 

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We are no US , ten years down the line , still we won't be US , we can't have high spending like US , f 35 is more of export product than for their own requirements , it's tail part start damaging on sustained flight at mach 1.2 or above flight .

Avionics are the only forte of f 35 , which makes it potent . Don't just comapre based on fancy videos , we are poor at pr , also france , uk all are pooling resources to develop it , uk is lacking funds for tempest , it need funds , otherwise project may face problem .

We will be bigger economy than them but we will require to spend huge on rnd , infra , manufacturing , education , poverty reduction , assets maintenance and all ,which others won't spend that much .

What do you think of iaf , Navy ,they know they are growing ,major threat will prop up in future , new scenario will be moulded , 6 th gen aircraft will be on cards , but we can start it's development in 2030 , and still operationalize it in 2040 , as we are leapfrogging radar technologies in amca , avionics will be slightly less or equally potent to 6 th gen , our own engine of 110 kn thrust with ace tech will be therr as we already tried it in kaveri , what we would require would be a heavy fighter category ,with much more availability to replace su 30 mki as they will start retiring , bigger engine will fulfill energy requirements for dew , better ew suite and all .

Either you want a boasting or you want our program to succeed
With this Kind of defeatist Mid set We can never be Superpower that we were once were

Loser Makes Excuses

Powerful make things go Work

read US Rise from the ashes of Pearl harbor is Case study
 

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With this Kind of defeatist Mid set We can never be Superpower that we were once were

Loser Makes Excuses

Powerful make things go Work

read US Rise from the ashes of Pearl harbor is Case study
So what do you want , take up a risky project , economy is the main factor and we are not developing a single system , we are developing sam, aam, ballastic missile , ashm , lacm , ramjet , scramjet , destroyer , frigate , corvette , ballastic submarine , aircraft carrier , small arms , nuclear attack submarine , and many many more system .

Except US and china no other country is developing this much different platform concurrently that too with competitive specs .
Look at kaveri ,tried to jump over learning curve and what we got , failure for so many years .

If US have such a faith in f 35 , why are fa 18 flying
 

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F-35 Is great product And US Will make Successful in future

600 is already Produced

Only

Teething Problems Apart That fighter can Take out Any Modern Fighter in air To air combat Today

100 F-35 Can annihilate Entire IAF inventory in Matter of minutes :megusta:


Technology Is not fancy stuff

As for following media propaganda
For Media LCA was already a failed project in their books

Modern Media Know jackshit about Combat And Aviation
Left controls the narrative there

MIC in US as internal rival factions that controls narrative Boeing And other Firms Want To pull down LM
Like

LM did With F-22
ok ,once kfx is ready it wil be the closest analogue to our tedbf ,so bring your f35 against kfx +a stealthy wingman like cats and see what happens, if we assume the avionics of kfx to be equal to rafale f4 ,f35 WILL FACE FROM KFX no matter how you try to spin it
 

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ok ,once kfx is ready it wil be the closest analogue to our tedbf ,so bring your f35 against kfx +a stealthy wingman like cats and see what happens, if we assume the avionics of kfx to be equal to rafale f4 ,f35 WILL FACE FROM KFX no matter how you try to spin it
F-35 with RCS 0.0015 sqm With
AIM-260 JATM in next 4-5 years It Will be over Kill
for other airforces

And We are not even talking about Raytheon Long-Range Engagement Weapon (LREW)
 
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F-35 with RCS 0.0015 sqm With
AIM-260 JATM in next 4-5 years It Will be over Kill
for other airforces
do you know about electronic support measure ,rwr passive geolocation and direction finding techniques ,qwip irst(das type) can be fitted on tedbf also , rcs is important but not the only thing considered in combat
 

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do you know about electronic support measure ,rwr passive geolocation and direction finding techniques ,qwip irst(das type) can be fitted on tedbf also , rcs is important but not the only thing considered in combat
All these System Will be available in AMCA InFact

UMB RADAR of AMCA is Most advanced than Any fighter in IAF inventory for next 20 years
 

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F-35 with RCS 0.0015 sqm With
AIM-260 JATM in next 4-5 years It Will be over Kill
for other airforces

Bro no one is interested in your arguments because it is not the way forward . You can see our SAM systems our first systems are average now the Akash NG , QRSAM and VLSRSAM is world class and we have the confidence of developing better systems . Similarly Tejas brings us enough expertise in fighter aircraft and we will develop various Aircraft which are best in the world . All these things will progress gradually . So you please keep calm and be quiet. I have answers to all of your questions but I hate typing. Chill we can dominate our adversaries with shear power and technological superiority within a decade .
 

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My Problem is The Project itself

It has No Validity in 2032


We can easily by get Rafale-M for Less Cost And make it operational it for next 30 years
Rafale M doesn't fit into Vikky and Vikrant lift hangers.... Unless Dassault comes with wing folding it's no go for now or for next 30 years
 

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Rafale M doesn't fit into Vikky and Vikrant lift hangers.... Unless Dassault comes with wing folding it's no go for now or for next 30 years
TEBF is Not coming for vikant
If it Is Why Navy is wasting Money on Buying Fighters for IAC-1 And IAC-2
 

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Bro no one is interested in your arguments because it is not the way forward . You can see our SAM systems our first systems are average now the Akash NG , QRSAM and VLSRSAM is world class and we have the confidence of developing better systems . Similarly Tejas brings us enough expertise in fighter aircraft and we will develop various Aircraft which are best in the world . All these things will progress gradually . So you please keep calm and be quiet. I have answers to all of your questions but I hate typing. Chill we can dominate our adversaries with shear power and technological superiority within a decade .
the only problem he has is overprizing stealth
 

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Bro no one is interested in your arguments because it is not the way forward . You can see our SAM systems our first systems are average now the Akash NG , QRSAM and VLSRSAM is world class and we have the confidence of developing better systems . Similarly Tejas brings us enough expertise in fighter aircraft and we will develop various Aircraft which are best in the world . All these things will progress gradually . So you please keep calm and be quiet. I have answers to all of your questions but I hate typing. Chill we can dominate our adversaries with shear power and technological superiority within a decade .
Your point of understanding of my argument is Flawed

Point Why You need to Equip A Beam Riding Akash in IAF inventory When KU Band ARH Seeker for Akash 1P is available
 
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the only problem he has is overprizing stealth
Only Point here is Self delusional Indian Superiority complex That thinks they are Apart From Other homosapiens On the planet

Maybe that Why We Still has Parity With PAF even Having 5 times of there Monetary budget

At least on operational terms

they effectively Managed 1:1 Ratio during Balakot saga

While We are Dreaming To be Next big thing

Our Primary Fighters MKI's Still Due for MLU's for 5 years And more years to go the day Military /Babu syndicate Wakes up and Gets Deals Where they can Fill there Pockets
 

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Only Point here is Self delusional Indian Superiority complex That thinks they are Apart From Other homosapiens On the planet

Maybe that Why We Still has Parity With PAF even Having 5 times of there Monetary budget

At least on operational terms

they effectively Managed 1:1 Ratio during Balakot saga

While We Dreaming To be Next big thing

Our Primary Fighters MKI's Still Due for MLU's for 5 years And more years to go the days Military /Babu syndicate Wakes up of Gets Deals Where they can Fill there Pockets
" Self delusional Indian Superiority complex " how did this come into discussion,is sensibile thinking and not overprizing stealth an indian specific concept


"they effectively Managed 1:1 Ratio during Balakot saga"-- how?
 

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" Self delusional Indian Superiority complex " how did this come into discussion,is sensibile thinking and not overprizing stealth an indian specific concept
Due u have Any Scientific study to back this Overprizing stealth Theory of Yours
at least a Research paper

LOL A 2 decade old F-22 Concept Is Still unbeaten by Any contemporary fourth gen fighter in the World Yet And
My Fanboi here thinks Fifth gen is overated just by reading Few blogs by Amatuer Military's Enthusiasts
"they effectively Managed 1:1 Ratio during Balakot saga"-- how?
There Failed Air Raid Successfully Achieved parity With us when they out numbered Us
Forced us to fly in defensive formation in Fog of war
that cost us POW And Multiple casualties on that day

While IAF not Scrambled its Formations after this.


In military terms it called parity.
 

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Only Point here is Self delusional Indian Superiority complex That thinks they are Apart From Other homosapiens On the planet

Maybe that Why We Still has Parity With PAF even Having 5 times of there Monetary budget

At least on operational terms

they effectively Managed 1:1 Ratio during Balakot saga

While We are Dreaming To be Next big thing

Our Primary Fighters MKI's Still Due for MLU's for 5 years And more years to go the day Military /Babu syndicate Wakes up and Gets Deals Where they can Fill there Pockets
I know this is said within the heat of debate, hence won't correct you. But just saying, this is exactly what PAF/Pakistan wants us to believe (that they are equal to us even without a budget, equipment, or proper training).
 

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TEBF is Not coming for vikant
If it Is Why Navy is wasting Money on Buying Fighters for IAC-1 And IAC-2
TEDBF is being built for replacing MiG 29k. The same dimensions of Vikky lift hangers are used for Vikrant which only MiG 29k fits. As of now Rafale M doesn't fit as it can't fold its wings.
Navy is trying to lease super hornet FA18 as a stop measure for Vikrant till TEDBF built.
 

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I know this is said within the heat of debate, hence won't correct you. But just saying, this is exactly what PAF/Pakistan wants us to believe (that they are equal to us even without a budget, equipment, or proper training).
Well I don't care what Pakistan think they are delusional fools 1971 is Example.

We can Easily Leveled there Airbases in matter of minutes
But that Is big "If".And they got PR victory

And IAF Lost the credit for one of the most Marvelous operation on 26 feb

Question Lies in Between

It exposed Many loop holes

Swift action By PAF That was detected Swiftly

Nevertheless its Of topic
 

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