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[WarriorIndian]

Questions is why We need 4 gen as naval.fighter in next decade when we can develop a
AMCA naval variant

Why we are wasting tax payers money

We seriously need re consider this project

Navy had approached ADA for Naval AMCA but later dropped it for unknown reasons, maybe stealth missions are not part of their KPI

 

[Adrian Corvus]

Questions is why We need 4 gen as naval.fighter in next decade when we can develop a
AMCA naval variant

Why we are wasting tax payers money

We seriously need re consider this project

Idk if you are serious about what you are talking but as discussed in the tedbf thread, it is a bad idea
1. It is not a good idea to convert an af aircraft for naval use cause amca design is for stealth and not deck takeoff and landing
2. Salt water affects stealth coating badly
3. It requires good payload carrying capacity so take away the IWB and what's left of the stealth?
4. Carrier wont have facilities to maintain it.

 

[WARREN SS]

Idk if you are serious about what you are talking but as discussed in the tedbf thread, it is a bad idea
1. It is not a good idea to convert an af aircraft for naval use cause amca design is for stealth and not deck takeoff and landing
2. Salt water affects stealth coating badly
3. It requires good payload carrying capacity so take away the IWB and what's left of the stealth?
4. Carrier wont have facilities to maintain it.

Seriously when already projecting money for TEBF and OCRA separately
Why ADA will not get separate R&D budget for developing Naval variant.

Second Point is laughable do u really have the Scientific evidence to put forward for silly arguments of yours.(Stealth coating)
When US navy and British already operates F-35.

And PLAAN is planning Naval 5 gen fighters.

Third AMCA is medium weight category fighter
And has almost same capacity of
TEBF or less


Third AC is CATOBAR carrier with nuclear power sure we can have facilities to maintain it in there.

 

[Lonewolf]

Seriously when already projecting money for TEBF and OCRA separately
Why ADA will not get separate R&D budget for developing Naval variant.

Second Point is laughable do u really have the Scientific evidence to put forward for silly arguments of yours.(Stealth coating)
When US navy and British already operates F-35.

And PLAAN is planning Naval 5 gen fighters.

Third AMCA is medium weight category fighter
And has almost same capacity of
TEBF or less


Third AC is CATOBAR carrier with nuclear power sure we can have facilities to maintain it in there.

Well a catobar variant won't be that hard to develop .

Why such a love for stealth , well tedbf too have stealth but vikrant will require a high wing loading figgter ,also naval and iaf doctrine are quite different .

Well how come maintenance be easy on aircraft carrier when f 35 need ac hangar and extensive maintenance after each flight .

If naval figgter will be engaged in combat , they will most probably operate in air to ground role ,where each fighter have to do multiple sorties to destroy enemy infra , if a stealth aircraft is deployed with low availability rate of say 40 percent ,how come navy achieve it's objective , with it's superior avionics , better manuverability , higher payload , longer range , it will be a nightmare for enemy .

Well don't call it a 4 th gen as it will incorporate many 5 th gen feature , most probably some 4.75 gen fighter .

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Well a catobar variant won't be that hard to develop .

Why such a love for stealth , well tedbf too have stealth but vikrant will require a high wing loading figgter ,also naval and iaf doctrine are quite different .

Well how come maintenance be easy on aircraft carrier when f 35 need ac hangar and extensive maintenance after each flight .

If naval figgter will be engaged in combat , they will most probably operate in air to ground role ,where each fighter have to do multiple sorties to destroy enemy infra , if a stealth aircraft is deployed with low availability rate of say 40 percent ,how come navy achieve it's objective , with it's superior avionics , better manuverability , higher payload , longer range , it will be a nightmare for enemy .

Well don't call it a 4 th gen as it will incorporate many 5 th gen feature , most probably some 4.75 gen fighter .

The thing is for the future battles of the navy,the navy will need good enough solutions in good nos not perfect solutions in questionable availability.if we go the complex route with focus on stealth we will need much more r and d time and we will also need to correct all issues with the first aircraft which will be more than what will be encountered on a more simple aircraft.it will also take more time to develop.

Also be aware that usa has sheer no of naval f35s that even with low availability they can deploy enough for most operations.also they have airforce f35 with support bases near most possible future adversaries too support the naval air arm during any conflict.

And please read the uk military review of March 2021 that is rumoured to slash f35 nos of uk we class carriers further from 130 to less than 100 for both carriers combined.dont follow any step of the current uk military beuracracy plans as they seem to cause the decline of the military.seriously current and future indian military decisions are better except for the small arms confusion.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Questions is why We need 4 gen as naval.fighter in next decade when we can develop a
AMCA naval variant

Why we are wasting tax payers money

We seriously need re consider this project

A few points as to which Navy wants TEDBF instead of Naval AMCA:
1) Converting a land based fighter jet to naval one has its own set of problems. Look at Mig 29K, Su33.
2) Navy wants an aircraft which can takeoff with 6 A2A missiles, AMCA in its IWB can carry 4. External payloads will defeat the purpose of stealth.
3) Navy wants an aircraft with 2hrs of endurance, STOBAR takeoff consumes lots of fuel, AMCA does not seem to fit into this requirement without external drop tanks which limits payload carrying capacity again.
4) Seawater will likely have an adverse effect on stealth coating.

 

[porky_kicker]

Armoured troop transporter

 

[porky_kicker]

Similar mast systems are already operational

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The one above is already deployed with BFSR-MR ( and possibly similiar masts for LORROS also exists )

LORROS mounted on a mast. The mast is in retracted ( stowage ) position.

 

[Tuco]

Have blimps plan been shelved. Not hearing much about them.

 

[Adrian Corvus]

Seriously when already projecting money for TEBF and OCRA separately
Why ADA will not get separate R&D budget for developing Naval variant.

Second Point is laughable do u really have the Scientific evidence to put forward for silly arguments of yours.(Stealth coating)
When US navy and British already operates F-35.

And PLAAN is planning Naval 5 gen fighters.

Third AMCA is medium weight category fighter
And has almost same capacity of
TEBF or less


Third AC is CATOBAR carrier with nuclear power sure we can have facilities to maintain it in there.

Well those aren't my words, those are the collective conclusion from the thread. Feel free to go through the tedbf thread to truly understand why it's a bad idea.
Have a good day ahead

 

[SARTHAK]

Well those aren't my words, those are the collective conclusion from the thread. Feel free to go through the tedbf thread to truly understand why it's a bad idea.
Have a good day ahead

if tedbf has semi reccessed weapon bays with 2 bvr on centreline reccessed bays and 2 ccm on wing tips then the stealth may not be an issue frontal stealth must be good,the main important point is in a naval fihter you need lift specially for stobar carriers ,as u all know a trapezodial wing design for tedbf was considered if that wud be chosen as final it wud have given same stealth as in amca(frontal aspect) because of no canards ,but as said in ddr interview by scientists they needed lift so they added canards compromising stealth

 

[SARTHAK]

Well a catobar variant won't be that hard to develop .

Why such a love for stealth , well tedbf too have stealth but vikrant will require a high wing loading figgter ,also naval and iaf doctrine are quite different .

Well how come maintenance be easy on aircraft carrier when f 35 need ac hangar and extensive maintenance after each flight .

If naval figgter will be engaged in combat , they will most probably operate in air to ground role ,where each fighter have to do multiple sorties to destroy enemy infra , if a stealth aircraft is deployed with low availability rate of say 40 percent ,how come navy achieve it's objective , with it's superior avionics , better manuverability , higher payload , longer range , it will be a nightmare for enemy .

Well don't call it a 4 th gen as it will incorporate many 5 th gen feature , most probably some 4.75 gen fighter .

also remember amca can be deplyed in southern india for backup if for tedbf on carriers

 

[WARREN SS]

Why such a love for stealth , well tedbf too have stealth but vikrant will require a high wing loading figgter ,also naval and iaf doctrine are quite different .

Detailed Reply

Because Stealth is Fighter of Future that Why Almost all modern Airforces in the World is Investing in Next generation Stealth Aircraft technology

And Concept 4 Gen Will be out dated by Drones And UCAV in next decade

 

[WARREN SS]

And please read the uk military review of March 2021 that is rumoured to slash f35 nos of uk we class carriers further from 130 to less than 100 for both carriers combined.dont follow any step of the current uk military beuracracy plans as they seem to cause the decline of the military.seriously current and future indian military decisions are better except for the small arms confusion.

Well how come maintenance be easy on aircraft carrier when f 35 need ac hangar and extensive maintenance after each flight .
Indian Defense budget Will 250 billion $ by 2032 And Maintaining 100-120 fifth generation Naval fighters Wouldn't be issue

Because UK Will Don't have 250-300 billion $ budget by Next decade And there adversary is not Superpower like Chinese
Don't compare Apple and oranges

UK is not india

India tole will be third Force or Pole in the World adjacent chinese And US block[/QUOTE]

 

[WARREN SS]

1) Converting a land based fighter jet to naval one has its own set of problems. Look at Mig 29K, Su33.

Don't compare Cash strap Russians

Rafale ,F-18 ,F-35

2) Navy wants an aircraft which can takeoff with 6 A2A missiles, AMCA in its IWB can carry 4. External payloads will defeat the purpose of stealth.

As for carrying 6 A2A missile it can easily done by re modifying of AMCA is still design face
to build Side Weapon bays like F-22

LOL its hilarious of Navy spending billion of $ in Needless R&D when its simple design Modification

 

[WARREN SS]

3) Navy wants an aircraft with 2hrs of endurance, STOBAR takeoff consumes lots of fuel, AMCA does not seem to fit into this requirement without external drop tanks which limits payload carrying capacity again.

TEBF is bound Fly in 2032 so By the Time both STOBAR will be operational With Fighters
Why there is Need of TEBF then ??

 

[SavageKing456]

Detailed Reply

Because Stealth is Fighter of Future that Why Almost all modern Airforces in the World is Investing in Next generation Stealth Aircraft technology

And Concept 4 Gen Will be out dated by Drones And UCAV in next decade

Probably problem now is decision making.
Currently fully autonomous drones can't make decisions what a human pilot can make.
Our algorithms are not that advanced for now

 

[WARREN SS]

Probably problem now is decision making.
Currently fully autonomous drones can't make decisions what a human pilot can make.
Our algorithms are not that advanced for now

We are talking 2032 here 11 years

 

[Lonewolf]

TEBF is bound Fly in 2032 so By the Time both STOBAR will be operational With Fighters
Why there is Need of TEBF then ??

What's wrong with tedbf , according to you , weapons bay ? Conformal sensor ,or anything else .

Well our indigenous engine won't be a drop fit when they arrive , we will require minor redesign , we can incorporate desired specs then , it can have internal bay ,but that will limit belly hardpoint , but if navy want that , don't you think it would easy to incorporate it when we already have experience of amca with us .

Stealth coating csn be applied , avionics will be a lot like amca , frontal stealth is there , in naval condition , awacs are generally not present so frontal stealth will be enough , high lift generation is present , if all this don't satisfy you ,then check out info regarding future aircraft for carrier operation bu us navy , they are asking for something like 4.5 th gen aircraft , either they are fools or their are some drawback of stealth , due to which we require a 4.5 gen aircraft .

 

[WARREN SS]

What's wrong with tedbf , according to you , weapons bay ? Conformal sensor ,or anything else .

Well our indigenous engine won't be a drop fit when they arrive , we will require minor redesign , we can incorporate desired specs then , it can have internal bay ,but that will limit belly hardpoint , but if navy want that , don't you think it would easy to incorporate it when we already have experience of amca with us .

Stealth coating csn be applied , avionics will be a lot like amca , frontal stealth is there , in naval condition , awacs are generally not present so frontal stealth will be enough , high lift generation is present , if all this don't satisfy you ,then check out info regarding future aircraft for carrier operation bu us navy , they are asking for something like 4.5 th gen aircraft , either they are fools or their are some drawback of stealth , due to which we require a 4.5 gen aircraft .

Project itself is Wrong

It has No operational need for TEBF project in 2032 When We Will already have operational aircrafts in 2 STOBAR

And US Navy is going for 6 gen aircraft For Next gen carrier roles

https://news.usni.org/2020/08/18/na...ter-plans-call-for-manned-long-range-aircraft