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[Lonewolf]

Project itself is Wrong

It has No operational need for TEBF project in 2032 When We Will already have operational aircrafts in 2 STOBAR

And US Navy is going for 6 gen aircraft For Next gen carrier roles

https://news.usni.org/2020/08/18/na...ter-plans-call-for-manned-long-range-aircraft

Define 6 th gen aircraft ,please.

Which operational aircraft , mrfa ,mmrca 2.0 both are not finalized yet , and tedbf will be operational in 2031 .

What's the thing ,which is missing in tedbf .

The modification you are asking in amca for naval amca .

High lift ,much more than current , wing folding which will add weight , strengthen landing gear , more sturdy airframe , stealth coating which will better resistance to sea air , much much more maintenance friendlier which no 5 th gen fighter have .
Better hangar facilities in aircraft carrier like ac ,which is absent most probably .

More number of aircraft to make up for low availability rate which is not possible as carrier have fixed capacity .

The major redesign will in turn require change in airframe to make up for centre of gravity change , airflow changes .

So you are proposing a similar looking two fifth gen aircraft , while we can have a tedbf which will have much common avionics and lru with amca , but look different outside , if f 15 can have iwb ,why can't tedbf have them .

Development of naval amca will require much more time and money than a tedbf , orca is nothing materialized , but will be a lot lot easier modification of tedbf .

We can have smart and optimally manned cockpit in tedbf , semi recessed bay or detachable bay , 5 th gen avionics will be present .

What more do you ask.

It is not a waste of money but more cost effective solution , as it heavily gains from tejas naval experience and have some similarities , like it or hate it , this is what we require

 

[SARTHAK]

the only thing is FOR A STOBAR CARRIER YOU NEED LIFT ORIENTED AERODYANAMICS THIS FACT IS EXPLICITLY EXPLAINED IN DDR INTERVIEW THAT THEY COMPROMISED STEALTH BECAUSE OF LIFT GENERTAION AS THEY WENT FOR CANARDS" for more stealth semi recessed weapon bays can be bought in,imagine what can cats warrior do in a2a mode when flown with tedbf, naval amca is not required

 

[WARREN SS]

Which operational aircraft , mrfa ,mmrca 2.0 both are not finalized yet , and tedbf will be operational in 2031 .

AC1c is Already operational

AC-2 Vikrant Will operational by 2025 With new crafts


(More number of aircraft to make up for low availability rate which is not possible as carrier have fixed capacity) .
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High lift ,much more than current , wing folding which will add weight , strengthen landing gear , more sturdy airframe , stealth coating which will better resistance to sea air , much much more maintenance friendlier which no 5 th gen fighter have .
Better hangar facilities in aircraft carrier like ac ,which is absent most probably .

So For being Maintenance Friendlier one Should compromise technological EDGE in combat

LOL by this logic USAF should Stop Using F-22 altogether Because it logistical nightmare to operate

Not because It Most Superior fighter Planet on earth currently

all these problems Can be Solved With Evolution in tech And R&D

So you are proposing a similar looking two fifth gen aircraft , while we can have a tedbf which will have much common avionics and lru with amca , but look different outside , if f 15 can have iwb ,why can't tedbf have them .

What is OCRA And TEBF project is ???

the Whole cluster Fuck

When OCRA can Be just LCA MK3

We can have smart and optimally manned cockpit in tedbf , semi recessed bay or detachable bay , 5 th gen avionics will be present .

What more do you ask.

It is not a waste of money but more cost effective solution , as it heavily gains from tejas naval experience and have some similarities , like it or hate it , this is what we require

India Is Not going To be Some random third Line Navy in Next decade like UK or France or even Russians

It Has to make it self Top Dog To take on Might of Next PLAAN And USAN

 

[Adrian Corvus]

AC1c is Already operational

AC-2 Vikrant Will operational by 2025 With new crafts


(More number of aircraft to make up for low availability rate which is not possible as carrier have fixed capacity) .

Source

So For being Maintenance Friendlier one Should compromise technological EDGE in combat

LOL by this logic USAF should Stop Using F-22 altogether Because it logistical nightmare to operate

Not because It Most Superior fighter Planet on earth currently

all these problems Can be Solved With Evolution in tech And R&D

What is OCRA And TEBF project is ???

the Whole cluster Fuck

When OCRA can Be just LCA MK3


India Is Not going To be Some random third Line Navy in Next decade like UK or France or even Russians

It Has to make it self Top Dog To take on Might of Next PLAAN And USAN

Are you for real? cause it's ORCA(Omni-Role Combat Aircraft) and not OCRA. Also it's TEDBF (Twin Engine Deck-Based FIghter) and not TEBF as you have written OCRA and TEBF in all of the posts but nvm...
as far as I know, ORCA in the perspective of the airforce is not even a thing right now and they have not shown interest in it nor have they allocated any money for ORCA
So what are you trying to pitch exactly?

 

[WARREN SS]

US FA-XX

This What UK planning for next gen

Europe

Future Combat Air System

Dassault confirms the Future Combat Air System will operate from aircraft carriers - Naval News

In October 2018, during the last edition of Euronaval, Dassault Aviation unveiled a scale model of what could become the Franco-German Future Combat Air System (FCAS) or Système de Combat Aérien Futur (SCAF). This first model displayed a tailless delta-winged aircraft clearly inspired by...

www.navalnews.com

Future Combat Air System (FCAS)

The Future Combat Air System (FCAS) is a key instrument in ensuring future European autonomy and sovereignty in defence & security. Furthermore, it strengthens Europe as an industry and technology hotspot, not just in the defence sector, but with important spill-overs into the civilian world.

www.airbus.com

Indian Navy next Decade Naval aircraft

 

[Vinod DX9]

If you want to know the special features of Arjun Mk. 1A tank, you can check this video

 

[Karthi]

Seriously when already projecting money for TEBF and OCRA separately
Why ADA will not get separate R&D budget for developing Naval variant.

Second Point is laughable do u really have the Scientific evidence to put forward for silly arguments of yours.(Stealth coating)
When US navy and British already operates F-35.

And PLAAN is planning Naval 5 gen fighters.

Third AMCA is medium weight category fighter
And has almost same capacity of
TEBF or less


Third AC is CATOBAR carrier with nuclear power sure we can have facilities to maintain it in there.

First thing Fire power , 5th gen fighters with IWB has less fire power . Second stealth is getting obsolete. Third we can avoid Ship Radars by flying low , at seas it's not a big deal and we can achieve Stealth without Stealth shaping. Fourth everyone is talking about Stealth shaping but stealth can be achieved Electronic measures , such as Active Cancellation and EW , using Stealth materials like Radar absorbing materials and latest tech like allowing Radar waves to pass through . TEDBF has stealth shaping , it is semi stealth. Maintaining these Fifth generation Aircraft's is costly plus availability is low . So Navy choose TEDBF and can go for Naval AMCA if they want

 

[WARREN SS]

Are you for real? cause it's ORCA(Omni-Role Combat Aircraft) and not OCRA. Also it's TEDBF (Twin Engine Deck-Based FIghter) and not TEBF as you have written OCRA and TEBF in all of the posts but nvm...
as far as I know, ORCA in the perspective of the airforce is not even a thing right now and they have not shown interest in it nor have they allocated any money for ORCA
So what are you trying to pitch exactly?

Why We need ORCA When We have Rafale F3R And F4 And MWF
or A 5th generation ORCA in AMCA that is What I am pitching

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Other delta-canard stealth aircrafts have twin vertcle tails.

How does single vertical fin (similar to Tejas) affect RCS of TEDBF?

 

[WARREN SS]

First thing Fire power , 5th gen fighters with IWB has less fire power . Second stealth is getting obsolete. Third we can avoid Ship Radars by flying low , at seas it's not a big deal and we can achieve Stealth without Stealth shaping. Fourth everyone is talking about Stealth shaping but stealth can be achieved Electronic measures , such as Active Cancellation and EW , using Stealth materials like Radar absorbing materials and latest tech like allowing Radar wa

Meaning All the modern Airforces in the World going for 6 th gen are fools

And We Indians Posses Some kind of Skill that Set apart us from other homosapiens

We Achieve this We Will achieve that

LOL We achieve jack shit With Babu Fed DSPSU HAL And there Corrupt Syndicates With Military generals
Like We achieved jack Shit in Developing A Decent modern Rifle for Indian armed forces Till now

Still Have rely it on SIG 716

When there are more than 80 K OFB employees Getting tax payers Funded salaries for Screw driving Russian junks

Legacy Will Carry Forward With AK-203 for Next decade As GOI is To scared From Trade unions

 

[SARTHAK]

Why We need ORCA When We have Rafale F3R And F4 And MWF
or A 5th generation ORCA in AMCA that is What I am pitching

i did not understand what is the exact problem do u have with tedbf,if tedbf comes with semi reccessed bays like kfx or conformal ones like fa 18 it would be sufficiently stealthy to launch any attack,the six gen programs you posted will focus more on avionics part,the ew system will see a major boost with radars becoming powerful ,stealth shaping will be same ,ram will improve so can be adapted for tedbf, dew weapons can be podded.tedbf with cats warrior type wingman WILL BE EFFECTIVE

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

US FA-XX


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This What UK planning for next gen

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Europe

Future Combat Air System

Dassault confirms the Future Combat Air System will operate from aircraft carriers - Naval News

In October 2018, during the last edition of Euronaval, Dassault Aviation unveiled a scale model of what could become the Franco-German Future Combat Air System (FCAS) or Système de Combat Aérien Futur (SCAF). This first model displayed a tailless delta-winged aircraft clearly inspired by...

www.navalnews.com

Future Combat Air System (FCAS)

The Future Combat Air System (FCAS) is a key instrument in ensuring future European autonomy and sovereignty in defence & security. Furthermore, it strengthens Europe as an industry and technology hotspot, not just in the defence sector, but with important spill-overs into the civilian world.

www.airbus.com

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Indian Navy next Decade Naval aircraft

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I think it makes more sense for Indian Navy to directly jump to 6th Gen as France is doing. Its already too late to try and build a 5th gen Naval fighter now, we won't be able to make it in time. Its better to build TEDBF as a stopgap for the 2030s and 2040s and then introduce an Indian 6th gen fighter by 2045. We have 20 years to build up that tech. ADA can transition from AMCA and TEDBF to a 6th Gen Naval fighter design seamlessly. We were 40 years behind USA in introducing our own 4th gen fighters in service, will be 25 years behind them in introducing 5th gen fighters, so if we manage to introduce a 6th gen fighter by 2045 (10 years after USA), it will be quite OK.

First thing Fire power , 5th gen fighters with IWB has less fire power . Second stealth is getting obsolete. Third we can avoid Ship Radars by flying low , at seas it's not a big deal and we can achieve Stealth without Stealth shaping. Fourth everyone is talking about Stealth shaping but stealth can be achieved Electronic measures , such as Active Cancellation and EW , using Stealth materials like Radar absorbing materials and latest tech like allowing Radar wa

Flying low might work on Second Division Navies, but against the likes of China or USA it won't. They have AEW aircraft to track targets beyond the Ship's radar horizon.

 

[Karthi]

Meaning All the modern Airforces in the World going for 6 th gen are fools

And We Indians Posses Some kind of Skill that Set apart us from other homosapiens

We Achieve this We Will achieve that

LOL We achieve jack shit With Babu Fed DSPSU HAL And there Corrupt Syndicates With Military generals
Like We achieved jack Shit in Developing A Decent modern Rifle for Indian armed forces Till now

Still Have rely it on SIG 716

When there are more than 50 K OFB employees Getting tax payers Funded salaries for Screw driving Russian junks

Chill bro chill Sixth Generation not going before 2050 and all these fancy stuffs are not worthy . F35 is an example . I told many times TEDBF can use Laser Weapons , Advanced EW systems and can control swarms of Drones and UAVs what will you call it Obsolete because it doesn't have fancy looks .

 

[Lonewolf]

AC1c is Already operational

AC-2 Vikrant Will operational by 2025 With new crafts


(More number of aircraft to make up for low availability rate which is not possible as carrier have fixed capacity) .

Source

So For being Maintenance Friendlier one Should compromise technological EDGE in combat

LOL by this logic USAF should Stop Using F-22 altogether Because it logistical nightmare to operate

Not because It Most Superior fighter Planet on earth currently

all these problems Can be Solved With Evolution in tech And R&D

What is OCRA And TEBF project is ???

the Whole cluster Fuck

When OCRA can Be just LCA MK3


India Is Not going To be Some random third Line Navy in Next decade like UK or France or even Russians

It Has to make it self Top Dog To take on Might of Next PLAAN And USAN
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Ohh yeah but Einstein ,both carrier will be on different side of peninsula , usaf is present in limited number ,and if you know it right then f 22 production was shut doen due to feasibility issue .

Well tedbf is much like tejas mk 3 , what are we really compromising , fancy looks .
Justify a feild in which tedbf can't compete ever

 

[WARREN SS]

i did not understand what is the exact problem do u have with tedbf,if tedbf comes with semi reccessed bays like kfx or conformal ones like fa 18 it would be sufficiently stealthy to launch any attack,the six gen programs you posted will focus more on avionics part,the ew system will see a major boost with radars becoming powerful ,stealth shaping will be same ,ram will improve so can be adapted for tedbf, dew weapons can be podded.tedbf with cats warrior type wingman WILL BE EFFECTIVE

My Problem is The Project itself

It has No Validity in 2032


We can easily by get Rafale-M for Less Cost And make it operational it for next 30 years

 

[SARTHAK]

My Problem is The Project itself

It has No Validity in 2032


We can easily by get Rafale-M for Less Cost And make it operational it for next 30 years

USA'S GREED FOR STEALTH HAS COSTED IT, india needs to be sensible on how to make use of its resources ,MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER STEALTH IS ONLY A PART WHOLE CAPABILITY OF THE AIRCRAFT,DO NOT OVERPRICE IT OR BE OBSESSED WITH IT

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

We can easily by get Rafale-M for Less Cost And make it operational it for next 30 years

Its not the cost that matters. Its who we are investing that cost in. If it gets invested in sustaining our own indigenous industry, that is good. Every penny spent on Indian weapons will have a multiplier effect on our GDP. Every penny spent on Rafale M will not.

 

[WARREN SS]

Chill bro chill Sixth Generation not going before 2050 and all these fancy stuffs are not worthy . F35 is an example . I told many times TEDBF can use Laser Weapons , Advanced EW systems and can control swarms of Drones and UAVs what will you call it Obsolete because it doesn't have fancy looks .

F-35 Is great product And US Will make Successful in future

600 is already Produced

Only

Teething Problems Apart That fighter can Take out Any Modern Fighter in air To air combat Today

100 F-35 Can annihilate Entire IAF inventory in Matter of minutes


Technology Is not fancy stuff

As for following media propaganda
For Media LCA was already a failed project in their books

Modern Media Know jackshit about Combat And Aviation
Left controls the narrative there

MIC in US as internal rival factions that controls narrative Boeing And other Firms Want To pull down LM
Like

LM did With F-22

 

[WARREN SS]

Ohh yeah but Einstein ,both carrier will be on different side of peninsula , usaf is present in limited number ,and if you know it right then f 22 production was shut doen due to feasibility issue .

Well tedbf is much like tejas mk 3 , what are we really compromising , fancy looks .
Justify a feild in which tedbf can't compete ever

But Still F-22 is best fighter on planet
that Why it has Export ban

and issues With F-22 still persists

But USAF sends there best Pilots To Man Best Fighters in their inventory

 

[Lonewolf]

F-35 Is great product And US Will make Successful in future

Only

Teething Problems Apart That fighter can Take out Any Modern Fighter in air To air combat Today

100 F-35 Can annihilate Entire IAF inventory in Matter of minutes


Technology Is not fancy stuff

As for following media propaganda
For Media LCA was already a failed project in their books

Modern Media Know jackshit about Combat And Aviation
Left controls the narrative there

MIC in US as internal rival factions that controls narrative Boeing And other Firms Want To pull down LM
Like

LM did With F-22

What do you think as a perfect fighter , it's specs , how it will be feasible , everything , instead of just looking at fancy stuff of west , please give insight about short comings of tedbf and what should be a future fighter .

Stop acting like a import lobby , give consideration to learning curve and all