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[NAMICA]

Acche din is finally here.

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The Indian Army will conduct high altitude winter trials of Atags in Sikkim in the months of January and Feb followed by mobility trials and summer trials in May June at Mahajan.

When push comes from the very top, the bureacrats can only do so much .

Why do I have a feeling that it's barrel will again burst due to sabotage by OFB.

 

[vishnugupt]

Acche din is finally here.

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The Indian Army will conduct high altitude winter trials of Atags in Sikkim in the months of January and Feb followed by mobility trials and summer trials in May June at Mahajan.

When push comes from the very top, the bureacrats can only do so much .

Same news with better headlines

After firing 2000 rounds, Army still wants to play trial games with ATAGS in 2021 also – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

It seems our brave generals have already been paid kickback money that's why IA is hell-bent to import Israeli ATHOS. Nead to be called out the hypocrisy of our armed forces.
1) When trials of ATAGS were about to complete suddenly barrels burst occurred.
2) no clear-cut proof that it was the gun's fault or shell was faulty or it was a sabotage attempt by IA.
3) Seconds after the incident IA started pitching for the Israeli system.
4) Similar incident has also happened with the American M-777 but neither IA rejected Gun nor asked for any explanation from the manufacturer and trials went as planned. But when such things happen with the local product IA start urinating from the roof.
5) Look at the numbers, >400 Israeli guns ( always as bigger as possible ) while only 114 Dhanush and 118 ATAGs promised ( As small as possible ). same with other DRDO products.
6) How many rounds have been fired by ATHOS in India before crying for a bulk order? 5000 rounds by Dhanush and 2000 by ATAGS in different scenarios and conditions so how IA come to the conclusion that ATHOS is the best gun for us despite the fact many reputed weapons often fails in India.
7) Why DRDO has to waste all these decades just to sell 114+118 guns to IA which they anyhow going to order from foreign vendors.

But of course, if I am buying I-phone so why can't our Armed forces buy fancy weapons. moreover, they are specialists/Scientists in this field and the rest are deaf, dumb, and morons.

 

[jik60]

Same news with better headlines

After firing 2000 rounds, Army still wants to play trial games with ATAGS in 2021 also – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

It seems our brave generals have already been paid kickback money that's why IA is hell-bent to import Israeli ATHOS. Nead to be called out the hypocrisy of our armed forces.
1) When trials of ATAGS were about to complete suddenly barrels burst occurred.
2) no clear-cut proof that it was the gun's fault or shell was faulty or it was a sabotage attempt by IA.
3) Seconds after the incident IA started pitching for the Israeli system.
4) Similar incident has also happened with the American M-777 but neither IA rejected Gun nor asked for any explanation from the manufacturer and trials went as planned. But when such things happen with the local product IA start urinating from the roof.
5) Look at the numbers, >400 Israeli guns ( always as bigger as possible ) while only 114 Dhanush and 118 ATAGs promised ( As small as possible ). same with other DRDO products.
6) How many rounds have been fired by ATHOS in India before crying for a bulk order? 5000 rounds by Dhanush and 2000 by ATAGS in different scenarios and conditions so how IA come to the conclusion that ATHOS is the best gun for us despite the fact many reputed weapons often fails in India.
7) Why DRDO has to waste all these decades just to sell 114+118 guns to IA which they anyhow going to order from foreign vendors.

But of course, if I am buying I-phone so why can't our Armed forces buy fancy weapons. moreover, they are specialists/Scientists in this field and the rest are deaf, dumb, and morons.

"If imaginations were horses, I would fly on them to Mars"

Don't do analysis based of assumptions only. ATAGs were meant for PSQR/User trials last year itself, COVID and barrel burst delayed things up.

It was just 5 or 6 statements from one gentleman from DRDO from PXE Chandipur, Odisha and 24 different DDMs published 24 different versions

See the video below, its the entirety of the news.

It also clears out the apprehensions regrading the zone 7 charges, out of 2000/ 800 were zone 7.


But in all these , I really liked the project management strategy of DRDO, with involving the media and the flow of informations to the public. It was exactly on the line of modern day corporate professionals.

The line "No Import Required" from DRDO has done a significant damage to all kinds of import lobby (if they are exist) in the present scenario.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Acche din is finally here.

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The Indian Army will conduct high altitude winter trials of Atags in Sikkim in the months of January and Feb followed by mobility trials and summer trials in May June at Mahajan.

When push comes from the very top, the bureacrats can only do so much .

To 2000 round fire karke ke kya abhi tak warm up kar rahe the .

 

[Akula]

To 2000 round fire karke ke kya abhi tak warm up kar rahe the .

Army now wants to hit target in space.

 

[FalconZero]

All this army general bashing aside...I just realised Bhadra sir has been inactive for a while...what happened to him?

 

[notaname]

see the 1st and 2nd images, two prototypes.

 

[FalconZero]

"If imaginations were horses, I would fly on them to Mars"

Don't do analysis based of assumptions only. ATAGs were meant for PSQR/User trials last year itself, COVID and barrel burst delayed things up.

It was just 5 or 6 statements from one gentleman from DRDO from PXE Chandipur, Odisha and 24 different DDMs published 24 different versions

See the video below, its the entirety of the news.

It also clears out the apprehensions regrading the zone 7 charges, out of 2000/ 800 were zone 7.


But in all these , I really liked the project management strategy of DRDO, with involving the media and the flow of informations to the public. It was exactly on the line of modern day corporate professionals.

The line "No Import Required" from DRDO has done a significant damage to all kinds of import lobby (if they are exist) in the present scenario.

Agree with this, even common folks on twitter have started to back the project and with recent tests DRDO has become one of the favourite org for common folk and most importantly whenever such point comes up they start to raise questions why ATAG or other indigenous systems are not being procured....good thing but this apathy towards indigenous still depressing...

 

[Chinmoy]

To 2000 round fire karke ke kya abhi tak warm up kar rahe the .

FH-77B undergone trials for 3 years before deal signed in 1987.
M-777 is undergoing trial since 2010.
From 1999 to 2003, Bofors FH-77B05, Soltam and Denel had undergone multiple firing test. But every single gun failed in test.

So its not a warm up. But a valid test trial which these guns are undergoing.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

FH-77B undergone trials for 3 years before deal signed in 1987.
M-777 is undergoing trial since 2010.
From 1999 to 2003, Bofors FH-77B05, Soltam and Denel had undergone multiple firing test. But every single gun failed in test.

So its not a warm up. But a valid test trial which these guns are undergoing.

I absolutely agree with you but as china standing on doors we cant afford to delay much ...from 2000 rounds atleast we have validated the system thoroughly..Rest is based on permutation and combinations...What i personally believe is army should go for min 200 nos of atags at this point of time without any hesitation in mind..

 

[FalconZero]

FH-77B undergone trials for 3 years before deal signed in 1987.
M-777 is undergoing trial since 2010.
From 1999 to 2003, Bofors FH-77B05, Soltam and Denel had undergone multiple firing test. But every single gun failed in test.

So its not a warm up. But a valid test trial which these guns are undergoing.

Just want to add, after Hellfire made similar remark i looked into the details of Dhanus, after few failures in 2017 or so, it went for trials again and 5000+ rounds were fired with zero failures after that it was inducted in limited numbers. So i guess 2000 is nothing in comparison to that...

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Just want to add, after Hellfire made similar remark i looked into the details of Dhanus, after few failures in 2017 or so, it went for trails again and 5000+ rounds were fired with zero failures after that it was inducted in limited numbers. So i guess 2000 is nothing in comparison to that...

Thats what i am saying go with limited no initially around 200 nos...otherwise i fear that it will go clueless like Kestrel, Arjun and LCH....

 

[NAMICA]

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

For Pangong Tso?

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Curiosity ...Cant we fit Fast Patrol boats with small missiles!!! Around 6 in numbers.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

MBRL can also be fitted on FPC for fire support.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

MBRL can also be fitted on FPC for fire support.

Exactly..Something on those lines...DRDO has to come out of tradional and convention Fast Patrol Boat Designs...Should design something out of box but who make this peoople understand....

 

[Ayushraj]

Exactly..Something on those lines...DRDO has to come out of tradional and convention Fast Patrol Boat Designs...Should design something out of box but who make this peoople understand....

Bro fitting missile and mbrl on fast attack boat had lot of concern. Since boat are of less range and radar embedded in that boat is of lesser range . So we will not be able to use full potential of that missile.they also require air cover all the time.They are effective for littoral water. Our navy is master of Indian Ocean. So their is less changes of war getting into our littoral water.land lauch anti ship missile are more effective in this case. Fast patrol boat with missile is just an defensive weapon.

 

[Chinmoy]

I absolutely agree with you but as china standing on doors we cant afford to delay much ...from 2000 rounds atleast we have validated the system thoroughly..Rest is based on permutation and combinations...What i personally believe is army should go for min 200 nos of atags at this point of time without any hesitation in mind..

It doesn't happen like that. No matter who is standing where, the test process would have to follow its due course. Instead of diluting the test procedure, we need to work on RFI. The RFI under which ATAGS would be procured is under process since last 21 years. It has been dropped repeatedly.

Now when you fire a gun, you don't work on basis of permutation and computation. Your life depends on it. Once a product was inducted under such an emergency and we all know which road it traveled afterwards. So when it comes to test, let user test it as much as they can. But the point to take care is, their should not be any goal shifting later on.

 

[Chinmoy]

Just want to add, after Hellfire made similar remark i looked into the details of Dhanus, after few failures in 2017 or so, it went for trials again and 5000+ rounds were fired with zero failures after that it was inducted in limited numbers. So i guess 2000 is nothing in comparison to that...

Not just rounds, sub components of these guns are also from foreign OEM which were first time getting involved in by DRDO or BF/ TATA or OFB. So overall testing is not just of the gun, but the concerned sub-components too. We had seen the same happening with Dhanush.
Its the lack of a stringent and strong infra and supply chain which makes IA go on for endless trial. Till now onle PINAKA's ASHP has been handed over by DRDO to DGQA. It simply shows the level of infra available inhouse to support the development of any weapon system. In absence of those, we would have to bear this tenacious testing procedure.